https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXVfZ6ZvKjU Had to post this,This guy just cracks me up 
problem is i can’t tell if he is serious or taking the ■■■■, but if he is serious he is seriously deluded or retarded or both
But on a serious note if there is truth in this report http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/07/06/revealed-theresa-may-secretly-met-billionaire-branson-plotted-crush-brexit-vote/ May should be dropped fro running for PM,
The-Snowman:
There was an application for a butchers shop turned down in the Gorbals area of Glasgow last year because a lot of muslims from the govan hill area passed by on their way to the mosque. Whether it was Muslims objecting or someone thinking “Oh we better not in case it offends” I dont know but as I say, its a dangerous road to venture down.
It’s not exactly dangerous to say that, if you want to open a new butcher’s shop, it needs to be in a place that people are happy with. If someone wanted to open a halal abattoir next to a school, in which animals were being skinned alive in view of children, there would be complaints and objections, so it’s not as though Brits have no restrictions themselves on things that might be perfectly acceptable in a middle eastern village.
Brits have mostly abandoned the Christian food restrictions, so there are few comparable examples of foods or retail establishments that a Brit would want to avoid for reasons of disgust or religious compliance, and most aversive industries like gasworks and tanneries could never open new high street premises, but most Brits would howl if a dog meat shop was opened anywhere in the country (regardless of whether those frequenting it claimed to have religious or cultural justification), so we do still have our red lines.
It’s just that not every minor matter of planning can be a fundamental red line, and if Muslims want a pig meat shop away from the Mosque, they are probably being far more modest in their request than Brits would if anyone proposed to open a dog meat shop (which would probably just be banned outright or certainly hounded out of business).
tommy t:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXVfZ6ZvKjU Had to post this,This guy just cracks me upBut on a serious note if there is truth in this report http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/07/06/revealed-theresa-may-secretly-met-billionaire-branson-plotted-crush-brexit-vote/ May should be dropped fro running for PM,
Haha I think he’s posted on this thread
tommy t:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXVfZ6ZvKjU
Had to post this,This guy just cracks me up
Thanks, that’s some of my best work! 
Rjan:
The-Snowman:
There was an application for a butchers shop turned down in the Gorbals area of Glasgow last year because a lot of muslims from the govan hill area passed by on their way to the mosque. Whether it was Muslims objecting or someone thinking “Oh we better not in case it offends” I dont know but as I say, its a dangerous road to venture down.It’s not exactly dangerous to say that, if you want to open a new butcher’s shop, it needs to be in a place that people are happy with. If someone wanted to open a halal abattoir next to a school, in which animals were being skinned alive in view of children, there would be complaints and objections, so it’s not as though Brits have no restrictions themselves on things that might be perfectly acceptable in a middle eastern village.
Brits have mostly abandoned the Christian food restrictions, so there are few comparable examples of foods or retail establishments that a Brit would want to avoid for reasons of disgust or religious compliance, and most aversive industries like gasworks and tanneries could never open new high street premises, but most Brits would howl if a dog meat shop was opened anywhere in the country (regardless of whether those frequenting it claimed to have religious or cultural justification), so we do still have our red lines.
It’s just that not every minor matter of planning can be a fundamental red line, and if Muslims want a pig meat shop away from the Mosque, they are probably being far more modest in their request than Brits would if anyone proposed to open a dog meat shop (which would probably just be banned outright or certainly hounded out of business).
I think the point was about not wanting to offend, or bending over backwards for minorities. Rather than introducing the cultural acceptances of migrant minorities…
I.E. Yes you can come and live here, but don’t try and turn our country into your home away from home…
tommy t:
But on a serious note if there is truth in this report http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/07/06/revealed-theresa-may-secretly-met-billionaire-branson-plotted-crush-brexit-vote/ May should be dropped fro running for PM,
And on the note of turning this country into immigrants home away from home…
A muslin calling for “free speech go to hell” isn’t exactly helping his or hers cause!
Rjan:
The-Snowman:
There was an application for a butchers shop turned down in the Gorbals area of Glasgow last year because a lot of muslims from the govan hill area passed by on their way to the mosque. Whether it was Muslims objecting or someone thinking “Oh we better not in case it offends” I dont know but as I say, its a dangerous road to venture down.It’s not exactly dangerous to say that, if you want to open a new butcher’s shop, it needs to be in a place that people are happy with. If someone wanted to open a halal abattoir next to a school, in which animals were being skinned alive in view of children, there would be complaints and objections, so it’s not as though Brits have no restrictions themselves on things that might be perfectly acceptable in a middle eastern village.
Brits have mostly abandoned the Christian food restrictions, so there are few comparable examples of foods or retail establishments that a Brit would want to avoid for reasons of disgust or religious compliance, and most aversive industries like gasworks and tanneries could never open new high street premises, but most Brits would howl if a dog meat shop was opened anywhere in the country (regardless of whether those frequenting it claimed to have religious or cultural justification), so we do still have our red lines.
It’s just that not every minor matter of planning can be a fundamental red line, and if Muslims want a pig meat shop away from the Mosque, they are probably being far more modest in their request than Brits would if anyone proposed to open a dog meat shop (which would probably just be banned outright or certainly hounded out of business).
I know what you’re saying but theres a difference from wanting to open an abattoir next to a school which would recieve justifiable objections to a simple butchers.
While the points you make are valid and correct to a certain degree, they are more extreme than the example I gave. It is the fact it was refused on the grounds they only had to walk past it on the way. It wasnt even particullarly close to the mosque itself which is an objection I would understand. Thats the dangerous road I was talking about. You cant start banning butchers from opening anywhere in case there are offended muslims. Where does it end? No pubs or off licenses either? Will all shops selling food and drink need to be closed during the ramadan fasting period? Being tolerant of peoples beliefs has to work both ways. BTW, I dont even know if it was actual muslims who objected. For all I know they wernt actually bothered and it was that the owner didnt bung a big enough envelope stuffed with cash through the right letter box and the poor muslims are getting the blame. But that was the reason given.
Im not having a go at Muslims only here btw. Im not one of those types. I also cant stand vegans and vegitarians who try to force their beliefs on others. Im a tee total. I cant stand alcohol and im not a big fan of drunk people. But if there was an application for an off license at the end of my street, who am I to say no one else should drink if they want to? The only way the butchers should have had his application declined would be for things like hes a dirty ■■■■■■■ or he didnt have the right certificates for food hygeine or something like that. Not “just incase” some people get offended. you cant start banning things just in case or it would never end
tommy t:
Looooo:
Harmonising laws across the countries might feel like a “diktat” and is easily portrayed as such by the Daily Mail, but it simplifies procedures so we can easily trade and generate wealth. Now we can “take back control” it is only going to complicate matters and make it harder for international commerce. How can that be a good thing?Edit to add:
You mention tax breaks to keep business here. Yes, absolutely. They will be looking at slashing corporation tax as a sweetener, but not only that. Other things that will attract businesses here will be things like a reduction in worker’s rights. Expensive things that businesses are currently forced to do, like maternity/paternity pay holiday, sickness, unfair dismissal. All that kind of stuff. Tory gov will have a field day getting rid of all that. They can’t at the moment because the EU demands minimum standards across the board. You think any of that is going to be making the poor British worker better off? I don’t. Those are the EU diktats they are so keen to cast off.What a load of ■■■■■■■■ We don’t want to be ruled by the dictatorship called the EU which part of that do people like you not understand?
The country voted out because we are sick of bruxelles interfering in our affairs, now if those investors don’t like that maybe they should leave the uk as wellOhh and you wrong about Employment law , we already had a lot of of our own employment laws before we went into the common market in 1972, more scare mongering left wing [zb]
^ This.
But the key is recognising that what these Socialist zb’s are pushing is anything but left wing depending on definition of ‘left’.IE left being what’s good for the indigenous working class.
So exactly how and when did/does it benefit,from opening the uk market up to tariff free EU trade making us a net importer of EU products and Merkel’s immigration policies and paying a fortune in net contributions out of what it does still manage to earn.Or for that matter Europhile Maggie’s Union ‘reforms’ which were all about removing rights which existed pre EEC.None of which have been reversed by Juncker and friends.Let alone an EU wide minimum wage based on the highest denominator.On that note China is the logical conclusion of Socialist ideology in which case send all the Socialist zb wits there if that’s what they want.Maybe they can tell the people of Tibet how lucky they are to have Socialist type Federal rule over them as part of that.
Looooo:
tommy t:
We don’t want to be ruled by the dictatorship called the EU[/size]I hear that loud and clear, but we are all going to have to live with the consequences of that.
Including the 48% who wanted to remain.
You can’t complain if people point them out and you can’t pretend they are not happening. You definitely can’t pretend they are made up to make the Brexiters look foolish.
I’d reverse the question.What do you intend to do about the issue of all those across Europe not just here who don’t follow the bs Socialist ideology of a Eurasian Federation let alone world without borders.If the Socialists aren’t prepared to back down or accept a democratic solution that realistically leaves just one option.As we saw most recently in Yugoslavia.No surprise the Socialists seem to avoid the question of which side they would have taken in that ‘dispute’ JNA or Slovenian Croatian militias.Or for that matter the Soviet invasion of Poland.
The fact is Socialists are a malignant subversive aggressive bunch of Bolshevik zbs’ who don’t do democracy.Only Federal dictatorship.
Evil8Beezle:
I think the point was about not wanting to offend, or bending over backwards for minorities. Rather than introducing the cultural acceptances of migrant minorities…
I.E. Yes you can come and live here, but don’t try and turn our country into your home away from home…
But there has to be some flexibility and respect for the feelings and habits of a substantial number of people - not all of whom are necessarily from any other country.
I could move to Wales, like the place, and like the people, and like it more than where I came from, but still draw the line at letting pigs and sheep into my carpeted front room.
Not every difference of view or practice in life then needs to be turned into an issue of fundamental difference that needs to be steamrollered over - that I either welcome animals in the front room, or tolerate the natives barging in with them, or leave Wales.
If a handful of people in a Muslim community say “if you really must open a new butcher’s shop, can it be put round the corner rather than facing the mosque”, that is no different to a handful of Brits who (to say the least) would say “if you really must open a dog meat shop, can it be put elsewhere than next to the primary school, so I don’t have to broach the subject with our children about how some people kill and eat dogs”.
Rjan:
Evil8Beezle:
I think the point was about not wanting to offend, or bending over backwards for minorities. Rather than introducing the cultural acceptances of migrant minorities…
I.E. Yes you can come and live here, but don’t try and turn our country into your home away from home…But there has to be some flexibility and respect for the feelings and habits of a substantial number of people - not all of whom are necessarily from any other country.
I could move to Wales, like the place, and like the people, and like it more than where I came from, but still draw the line at letting pigs and sheep into my carpeted front room.
Not every difference of view or practice in life then needs to be turned into an issue of fundamental difference that needs to be steamrollered over - that I either welcome animals in the front room, or tolerate the natives barging in with them, or leave Wales.
If a handful of people in a Muslim community say “if you really must open a new butcher’s shop, can it be put round the corner rather than facing the mosque”, that is no different to a handful of Brits who (to say the least) would say “if you really must open a dog meat shop, can it be put elsewhere than next to the primary school, so I don’t have to broach the subject with our children about how some people kill and eat dogs”.
Or to look at it another way.There is a point where the clash of cultures can’t be accommodated.IE if you want to slaughter dogs for food then zb off to China or Korea etc.If you want to slaughter animals in a savage,backward,medieval,inhumane way then obviously this country isn’t the place for you either whether it’s called Halal or Kosher. 
Rjan:
Evil8Beezle:
I think the point was about not wanting to offend, or bending over backwards for minorities. Rather than introducing the cultural acceptances of migrant minorities…
I.E. Yes you can come and live here, but don’t try and turn our country into your home away from home…But there has to be some flexibility and respect for the feelings and habits of a substantial number of people - not all of whom are necessarily from any other country.
I could move to Wales, like the place, and like the people, and like it more than where I came from, but still draw the line at letting pigs and sheep into my carpeted front room.
Not every difference of view or practice in life then needs to be turned into an issue of fundamental difference that needs to be steamrollered over - that I either welcome animals in the front room, or tolerate the natives barging in with them, or leave Wales.
If a handful of people in a Muslim community say “if you really must open a new butcher’s shop, can it be put round the corner rather than facing the mosque”, that is no different to a handful of Brits who (to say the least) would say “if you really must open a dog meat shop, can it be put elsewhere than next to the primary school, so I don’t have to broach the subject with our children about how some people kill and eat dogs”.
I don’t disagree, but it has to be within moderation so that doesn’t go too far, and that I think is the issue!
As for your Wales analogy I don’t really see the relevance, as what you do in your own private space is your business. So if you let sheep in the bedroom, that’s up to you! 
But it’s what non native people do in public and the demands they make that’s the issue. Yes they can practice their own cultures beliefs, but not if it impacts the natives. If they want that, they can go to a country where that’s acceptable, as it wasn’t a right they were granted when they chose to bring their culture here. Plus it’s not exactly showing love for their now country is it?
However, we need to keep things in perspective and recognise that the majority of issue broadcast to us in the media is just a small faction, and the majority of people do try to get and show tolerance…
The-Snowman:
I know what you’re saying but theres a difference from wanting to open an abattoir next to a school which would recieve justifiable objections to a simple butchers.
What is justifiable is a matter of opinion. As I say, Brits would be far less tolerant of a butcher that dealt in dog meat rather than pig meat.
While the points you make are valid and correct to a certain degree, they are more extreme than the example I gave. It is the fact it was refused on the grounds they only had to walk past it on the way. It wasnt even particullarly close to the mosque itself which is an objection I would understand. Thats the dangerous road I was talking about. You cant start banning butchers from opening anywhere in case there are offended muslims. Where does it end?
I agree, but I’ve yet to come across a substantial case of intolerance by Muslims, whereas I constantly hear spurious complaints about it from those with prejudices or right-wing agendas.
In fact, even cases that raise my suspicions like talk of schools “banning Christmas”, what you find is that it is the British staff who have acted unilaterally (or have just been too lazy to put on a Christmas play that year, or have completely misunderstood their legal obligations). Minority communities do not respond with cheering, but by exclaiming “good grief man, nobody asked for this!”, because they can see how intolerant and illegitimate it would be to ask for such a thing.
No pubs or off licenses either? Will all shops selling food and drink need to be closed during the ramadan fasting period? Being tolerant of peoples beliefs has to work both ways. BTW, I dont even know if it was actual muslims who objected. For all I know they wernt actually bothered and it was that the owner didnt bung a big enough envelope stuffed with cash through the right letter box and the poor muslims are getting the blame. But that was the reason given.
Im not having a go at Muslims only here btw. Im not one of those types. I also cant stand vegans and vegitarians who try to force their beliefs on others. Im a tee total. I cant stand alcohol and im not a big fan of drunk people. But if there was an application for an off license at the end of my street, who am I to say no one else should drink if they want to? The only way the butchers should have had his application declined would be for things like hes a dirty [zb] or he didnt have the right certificates for food hygeine or something like that. Not “just incase” some people get offended. you cant start banning things just in case or it would never end
I agree. The iron law I’ve found on this is that these stories are never what they seem.
Carryfast:
Or to look at it another way.There is a point where the clash of cultures can’t be accommodated.
I agree, but in 2,000 years archaeologists are not going to be reading scrolls about two mighty civilisations that clashed over the placement of a Glasgow butcher’s shop.
I return to my point that we must be wary about people characterising every difference as a fundamental difference which justifies pushing the nuclear button if necessary.
The biggest threat to the plucky British butcher is not minority communities, but cheap prices at Tesco, and people who choose to pitch their battle lines over the placement of a butcher’s shop but will happily see the whole lot swept away in bankruptcy by a supermarket have an agenda which has nothing to do with preserving the amenity of butcher’s shops or even preserving their own way of life, but are simply intolerant (and often highly authoritarian) characters who want the freedom to attack anyone they decide they don’t like (which are invariably those who have far fewer defences than themselves).
Evil8Beezle:
I don’t disagree, but it has to be within moderation so that doesn’t go too far, and that I think is the issue!
As for your Wales analogy I don’t really see the relevance, as what you do in your own private space is your business. So if you let sheep in the bedroom, that’s up to you!
Poor Wales! I can fabricate an outrageous and provocative slander about their culture, and the best that I get back is that it “doesn’t seem very relevant” and another stereotype about Welsh ■■■■■■ habits. That cracks me up!
But it’s what non native people do in public and the demands they make that’s the issue. Yes they can practice their own cultures beliefs, but not if it impacts the natives.
But the degree of impact is the question. Putting the shop elsewhere (assuming it is still reasonably nearby) is not likely to be a great imposition in the scheme of things. In fact, having no shop at all is not likely to be a great imposition compared to the status quo, given that it’s a proposal for new premises.
Rjan:
I can fabricate an outrageous and provocative slander about their culture, and the best that I get back is that it “doesn’t seem very relevant” and another stereotype about Welsh ■■■■■■ habits. That cracks me up!
Well at least you’re happy then!
I thought it was a pile of bollox…
Rjan:
But the degree of impact is the question. Putting the shop elsewhere (assuming it is still reasonably nearby) is not likely to be a great imposition in the scheme of things. In fact, having no shop at all is not likely to be a great imposition compared to the status quo, given that it’s a proposal for new premises.
OK that’s fine, lets go down that route then.
So if I open up an off licence in a backstreet somewhere in Saudi Arabia I’ll be OK then?
No, I thought not…
Tolerance is a 2 way street, pity some cultures don’t see it that way…
Rjan:
Carryfast:
Or to look at it another way.There is a point where the clash of cultures can’t be accommodated.I agree, but in 2,000 years archaeologists are not going to be reading scrolls about two mighty civilisations that clashed over the placement of a Glasgow butcher’s shop.
I return to my point that we must be wary about people characterising every difference as a fundamental difference which justifies pushing the nuclear button if necessary.
The biggest threat to the plucky British butcher is not minority communities, but cheap prices at Tesco, and people who choose to pitch their battle lines over the placement of a butcher’s shop but will happily see the whole lot swept away in bankruptcy by a supermarket have an agenda which has nothing to do with preserving the amenity of butcher’s shops or even preserving their own way of life, but are simply intolerant (and often highly authoritarian) characters who want the freedom to attack anyone they decide they don’t like (which are invariably those who have far fewer defences than themselves).
The point in this case being that the local butcher’s or Tesco will go broke,and/or at least face some justified aggro,in the form of objections,if they start selling dog meat in addition to beef and pork and lamb.
Carryfast:
The point in this case being that the local butcher’s or Tesco will go broke,and/or at least face some justified aggro,in the form of objections,if they start selling dog meat in addition to beef and pork and lamb.
I quite liked the Iceland horse lasagna!
Evil8Beezle:
OK that’s fine, lets go down that route then.
So if I open up an off licence in a backstreet somewhere in Saudi Arabia I’ll be OK then?
No, I thought not…Tolerance is a 2 way street, pity some cultures don’t see it that way…
To be fair at least don’t forget the deli next door to the off licence selling a range of different types of European Hams and the ex pat shop birds wearing revealing European clothing.As for the off licence I’m guessing that it will be flogging the full range of super strength European lagers and cask strength wiskey to add to the cultural diversity and friendly mix of European and Asian culture. 
Evil8Beezle:
Carryfast:
The point in this case being that the local butcher’s or Tesco will go broke,and/or at least face some justified aggro,in the form of objections,if they start selling dog meat in addition to beef and pork and lamb.I quite liked the Iceland horse lasagna!
Not exactly the same thing as putting dog on the menu though and they only got away with flogging horse meat because people thought it was beef.