In or out of EU ? Poll

GasGas:
Not if you still live in ‘The Woower’ as some here wittering on about Germany invading other countries seem to do.

The UK should take a good look at Germany, particularly its education system, and try to emulate it.

We can learn a lot from various European countries, but I’m not sure whether that requires EU membership though?

GasGas:
For example: Why is Germany so good at selling stuff to the UK, while the UK is quite bad at selling stuff to Germany?

Why are we bad at selling high volume goods to the Germans, simple we went down an ideological route of manufacturing was old hat, service industries was the future, so governments didn’t support industry and were quite happy for them to be sold off and for production to move abroad, however a hell of a lot of goods people think are made in Germany that are now made elsewhere in the EU or even in the far east, due to lower costs of production.

GasGas:
Could it be that almost anyone with a good job in Germany (including German truck drivers) can speak English?

English is the International language of business; it’s a requirement for almost all jobs where you are likely to sell internationally. I’ve seen plenty of situations where 2 people who speak a different first language will use English to communicate.

GasGas:
Interestingly…I meet quite a lot of German engineers, and they are actually quite enthusiastic about British engineering. We just aren’t always very good at selling it to them.

Likewise France…there’s a British bloke in a very senior design role at Renault Trucks, for instance.

Considering how many people in the UK who seem to be stuck with a WW2 mentality over the Germans, I find it strange, but am thankful that many Germans seem to like the British and Britain, I’ve spent many night getting very drunk with Germans, who in my experience seem to live up to their stereotype of efficiency, including their ability to organise a ■■■■ up anywhere, :laughing: but definitely don’t live up to the stereotype of a humourless bunch. :open_mouth:

We are very good at selling them the high end, high value, low volume, engineering, one example, but by no means unique. A couple of years ago I was at the launch of a major German car manufacturer’s latest hypercar, only to find the body was built about 5 miles from my house and engine somewhere near Northampton and in charge of the project was the first person to give me a job in motorsport.

muckles:
Considering how many people in the UK who seem to be stuck with a WW2 mentality over the Germans, I find it strange, but am thankful that many Germans seem to like the British and Britain, I’ve spent many night getting very drunk with Germans, who in my experience seem to live up to their stereotype of efficiency, including their ability to organise a ■■■■ up anywhere, :laughing: but definitely don’t live up to the stereotype of a humourless bunch. :open_mouth:

We are very good at selling them the high end, high value, low volume, engineering, one example, but by no means unique. A couple of years ago I was at the launch of a major German car manufacturer’s latest hypercar, only to find the body was built about 5 miles from my house and engine somewhere near Northampton and in charge of the project was the first person to give me a job in motorsport.

You’ll have to narrow it down. The WW2 quote includes quite a few of the usual suspects on this thread.

The rest of your post is a pretty good example of why Brexit should be cancelled.

fuse:
how do Canada, New Zealand ,Australia ect ect manage without being in a similar club as EU

Depends on what you mean by “similar club” ?

Canada does have a Free Trade Agreement with the US, EFTA(Europe), and others.
Australia has FTAs with US, NZ, etc, plus is in talks with the EU, Pacific Alliance etc.
The US has deals with Canada, as said, and it`s southern neighbours too.

FTAs generally take years to negotiate, to get a good equitable agreement.
Like buying a car, you can go in and get a quick deal, or you can go and get a better deal after haggling. If we leave with no deal, well have no car, and the deal maker will know it. Well be in a hurry.
No-One trades on WTO terms only, I believe.
fullfact.org/europe/who-trades- … wto-rules/
ukandeu.ac.uk/new-report-explai … ould-mean/

It is about time we had our first “World Trade War” I reckon…

If you “Negotiate” you’ll ultimately be forced to take on crap you don’t want, or part with stuff you want to keep into the bargain.

A better way to proceed would be for the Cooporations to build a new infrastructure around themselves where people either flock to their company banner - or avoid them like the plague.

For instance, if a firm offered any of us UK driver population a £1k per week job for 48 hours BUT you’ve gotta work across weekends…

Would you take it?

If you were told you had to spend one weekend out in two for that money - would you take it?

If you were told you can be a “steering wheel attendent, and nothing more” for £480pw - would you prefer that instead?

A truly de-regulated marketplace in ALL things - takes the gloves off, where “Unemployment” then becomes a choice rather than a lifestyle, social condition, or form of moral failure.

The age of the “Can Do” staff - approaches.

The time is coming to an end where staff get or lose jobs “'cos their face don’t fit” a.k.a. “Political Lay-offs”, especially at former Labour/Union dominated firms, perhaps typical of the “Northern Powerhouse” election battle that is coming…

Boss: “Have you got rid of that upstart Smithy yet?”
Foreman: “But Boss - Smithy never goes sick, puts in overtime every time we ask him, and even makes a decent cup of brew for the lads when we’re together!”
Boss: “I don’t care. His entire Family votes Conservative, and I want to give his job to Nancy in any case.”
Foreman: “Nancy? You mean the Site Rep’s girl? - is that wise Guv? A lot of people here won’t like that!”
Boss: “Would you prefer I have her YOUR job? - Now get to it!”

Franglais:

fuse:
how do Canada, New Zealand ,Australia ect ect manage without being in a similar club as EU

Depends on what you mean by “similar club” ?

Canada does have a Free Trade Agreement with the US, EFTA(Europe), and others.
Australia has FTAs with US, NZ, etc, plus is in talks with the EU, Pacific Alliance etc.
The US has deals with Canada, as said, and it`s southern neighbours too.

FTAs generally take years to negotiate, to get a good equitable agreement.
Like buying a car, you can go in and get a quick deal, or you can go and get a better deal after haggling. If we leave with no deal, well have no car, and the deal maker will know it. Well be in a hurry.
No-One trades on WTO terms only, I believe.
fullfact.org/europe/who-trades- … wto-rules/
ukandeu.ac.uk/new-report-explai … ould-mean/

Back in the days before the vote, when the Brexiteers were still pretending to be sensible, Canada had just concluded a comprehensive trade agreement with the EU which was held up as the kind of deal we should aim for before we left.

“Canada plus” they called it.

Haven’t heard that mentioned for a while. No one knows why. It’s now ‘the only deal is no deal’ (Farage) or ‘be a Turkey and get my oven-ready deal done in time for Christmas’ (Johnson).

hmmm

Mauritania is the largest nation trading solely on WTO terms.

It is a ‘desperately poor desert nation’.

GasGas:
Back in the days before the vote, when the Brexiteers were still pretending to be sensible, Canada had just concluded a comprehensive trade agreement with the EU which was held up as the kind of deal we should aim for before we left.

“Canada plus” they called it.

Haven’t heard that mentioned for a while. No one knows why. It’s now ‘the only deal is no deal’ (Farage) or ‘be a Turkey and get my oven-ready deal done in time for Christmas’ (Johnson).

Yep.
In 2016 they were talking of a “better deal, out, rather than in”, of negotiating with the EU “easiest talks” etc.
IMHO, with flawed arguments, but a respectable position.
Now they are a bunch of kids, each egging the other on, promising to do more with less, and wanting votes and power at any cost.
And to be clear: they don`t care about how much the country as a whole pays.

GasGas:

Franglais:

fuse:
how do Canada, New Zealand ,Australia ect ect manage without being in a similar club as EU

Depends on what you mean by “similar club” ?

Canada does have a Free Trade Agreement with the US, EFTA(Europe), and others.
Australia has FTAs with US, NZ, etc, plus is in talks with the EU, Pacific Alliance etc.
The US has deals with Canada, as said, and it`s southern neighbours too.

FTAs generally take years to negotiate, to get a good equitable agreement.
Like buying a car, you can go in and get a quick deal, or you can go and get a better deal after haggling. If we leave with no deal, well have no car, and the deal maker will know it. Well be in a hurry.
No-One trades on WTO terms only, I believe.
fullfact.org/europe/who-trades- … wto-rules/
ukandeu.ac.uk/new-report-explai … ould-mean/

Back in the days before the vote, when the Brexiteers were still pretending to be sensible, Canada had just concluded a comprehensive trade agreement with the EU which was held up as the kind of deal we should aim for before we left.

“Canada plus” they called it.

Haven’t heard that mentioned for a while. No one knows why. It’s now ‘the only deal is no deal’ (Farage) or ‘be a Turkey and get my oven-ready deal done in time for Christmas’ (Johnson).

hmmm

We couldn’t ever get a deal like “Canada +++” unless we left FIRST unforunately.
THAT scenario was well and truly shafted by none other than our own parliament and establishment deciding that “We must leave with a deal in place FIRST” - before we can leave - or we cannot ever leave".
This suited the EU FINE of course - as they knew right there it is like offering a contract such as:

“Refunds only given to suicides after their act - when applying in person”.
“Compensation only for dead people killed by our fault. No Third party cases to be brought.”
“Only pensioners accompanied by both parents can apply for handouts”
“Pensions can be a small amount at a reasonable age of retirement, like 60-65, or double that if you don’t take it until 85” (an age you’re statistically unlikely ever to reach)

“Contractual Abuse” - continues to be the scourge of the ordinary person by the ruling elites.

“Getting ahead” is against the law, unless achieved with our approval. The only way for a poor person to become rich “with our approval” is a gambling win, thus trapping the gambler into a life of hope and “taxation of the poor” that the gambling industry represents.

“Staying ahead once rich - is only possible if you toe the line of your fellow wealthy elites. If you threaten them in any way, rest assured you’ll be killing yourself in jail, with you being the last one to learn of that fate.”