Conor:
truckman020:
I don’t particularly like the idea of my privacy being invadedYour privacy isn’t being invaded because you are in your workplace. If your employer wants to put a camera there to monitor that workplace then they’re entirely within their rights to do so. If you don’t like it you are entirely within your rights to leave.
What if I’m on a night out, and I’m getting changed, or washing my balls?
Shandy123:
Conor:
truckman020:
I don’t particularly like the idea of my privacy being invadedYour privacy isn’t being invaded because you are in your workplace. If your employer wants to put a camera there to monitor that workplace then they’re entirely within their rights to do so. If you don’t like it you are entirely within your rights to leave.
What if I’m on a night out, and I’m getting changed, or washing my balls?
They turn off when the ignition is off for so long or can be manually turned off when stopped
Driver facing cameras where looked into at my place last year, our drivers rep countered with the argument that all drivers will turn off their work phones to avoid any distractions and only switch them on when stopped (not breaks though).
The idea was quickly dropped…
Shandy123:
Conor:
truckman020:
I don’t particularly like the idea of my privacy being invadedYour privacy isn’t being invaded because you are in your workplace. If your employer wants to put a camera there to monitor that workplace then they’re entirely within their rights to do so. If you don’t like it you are entirely within your rights to leave.
What if I’m on a night out, and I’m getting changed, or washing my balls?
Yawn… cover the camera during your break/rest.
I really don’t know where most of this gobshoite is coming from, I can only guess, but here’s my take on the subject as discussed so far.
Firstly, I cannot believe for one moment that there is any insurance incentive or directive to install driver facing camera’s. My understanding of law is that I am innocent until proven guilty, so therefore I don’t need a video of me not rolling a ■■■ or not eating a sandwich pre-incident. Such a video could only ever work against whoever it is that insures me . . . Why on earth would they want to provide the evidence to the other party?
Secondly, I have always been led to believe that there are lies, damned lies & what we call statistics. The most truth you will ever hear is that 74.6% of statistics are made up by whoever needs to justify their particular agenda. Proof of this, in this instance, is that nobody knows anyone who’s even heard of anyone who requested that their Boss man install a driver facing camera in their cab. Why on earth would they?
Thirdly, a simple Google search on “driver facing camera’s” brings up a whole Bees nest of conflicting (& sometimes respectable) opinions of whether they a good or bad thing. If TNUK is to be used as a vehicle in an attempt to ‘normalise’ them amongst drivers, then maybe TNUK’s members should be made aware of exactly who it is that’s funding this current propoganda exercise !
AndieHyde:
Well said RobRoy.I am not one to accept the “offical line” thats it’s for our own good.
I am prepared for standing up and saying NO. The fact I post with my own real name should show that I will stand up and be counted, not skulking around under some pseudonym or fake qualifications.Out driving alone, I sing along with the radio, I shout obsenities at other numpty road users. I pick my nose, HELL, I will even eat it if it’s a goodie.
I am human and I do some weird [zb] and it doesnt make me a bad person but to find my odd behaviour posted on the internet for general derission. No thank you.
If you are an employer and you feel this level of scutiniy is neccesary, perhaps it says more about your own shortcomings than mine.
The age of the rise of the idiots has become.
+1 on most of it.
Conor:
truckman020:
I don’t particularly like the idea of my privacy being invadedYour privacy isn’t being invaded because you are in your workplace. If your employer wants to put a camera there to monitor that workplace then they’re entirely within their rights to do so. If you don’t like it you are entirely within your rights to leave.
That is also a living area for said driver, so if when the ignition is on the camera records and the driver whilst on rest uses the microwave during rest he’s being spied on … another one who bends over and takes the corporate spill. No wonder truck driving has no respect.
discoman:
Conor:
truckman020:
I don’t particularly like the idea of my privacy being invadedYour privacy isn’t being invaded because you are in your workplace. If your employer wants to put a camera there to monitor that workplace then they’re entirely within their rights to do so. If you don’t like it you are entirely within your rights to leave.
That is also a living area for said driver, so if when the ignition is on the camera records and the driver whilst on rest uses the microwave during rest he’s being spied on … another one who bends over and takes the corporate spill. No wonder truck driving has no respect.
There are a lot of women driving trucks these days.
Is it even more unacceptable in that scenario given the present climate where ■■■■■■ harassment accusations are commonplace.
I’d love to see one of those firms that impose these ■■■■ things on their drivers be on a rap for that one, it would serve the ■■■■ s right imo.
I know for a fact that Turners have them, so do Maritime, and Keedwell’s to an extent, as well as Hansons. Allegedly DHL do, but I never saw one in the vehicles I drove. As far as I know, the green army don’t have them (yet). They didn’t when I was there. These are some big firms, but I can only imagine the list will grow. That’s my list of shame, I don’t know whether anybody else has a firm to add.
The “compliance officers” claimed they only viewed the camera footage “in retrospect”, i.e after an incident. They always seemed to know when a driver had their camera covered up, so they obviously had some sort of remote access, not strictly confined to accident investigation. That means we were being lied to in some way, especially when our driver trainer (nothing to do with the cameras) said from his research that the particular cameras were capable of providing a live stream. The particular driver trainer said the he wa completely against them because he didn’t know what these cameras were capable of, and the extent to which these cameras were being used by the company. We only knew what we were told, however true it was.
TommyTanker:
AndieHyde:
Well said RobRoy.I am not one to accept the “offical line” thats it’s for our own good.
I am prepared for standing up and saying NO. The fact I post with my own real name should show that I will stand up and be counted, not skulking around under some pseudonym or fake qualifications.Out driving alone, I sing along with the radio, I shout obsenities at other numpty road users. I pick my nose, HELL, I will even eat it if it’s a goodie.
I am human and I do some weird [zb] and it doesnt make me a bad person but to find my odd behaviour posted on the internet for general derission. No thank you.
If you are an employer and you feel this level of scutiniy is neccesary, perhaps it says more about your own shortcomings than mine.
The age of the rise of the idiots has become.
+1 on most of it.
It was the singing wasnt it?
Shandy123:
Conor:
truckman020:
I don’t particularly like the idea of my privacy being invadedYour privacy isn’t being invaded because you are in your workplace. If your employer wants to put a camera there to monitor that workplace then they’re entirely within their rights to do so. If you don’t like it you are entirely within your rights to leave.
What if I’m on a night out, and I’m getting changed, or washing my balls?
perfect opportunity to stick your balls in the camera , im sure anyone watching will be scarred for life… 
You can’t stop a company from installing cctv in the workplace. Almost every workplace has it today. But not in toilets or showers. There are very strickt rules governing cctv, and privacy, and the invasion there off, is well defined and upheld. So companies are treading a fine line when installing cctv in the cab. They are entitled to do so, as long as they are only using it whilst you’re ‘at work’.
When you stop driving, for a break or daily rest if on a night out, cover the camera. Simple. It gives you piece of mind and stops any peeping Tom shenanigans from the office.
Nobody can reprimand your for that, for that, because they are only supposed to look at them ‘retrospectively in case of an incident’. And as there was no incident, what were they doing trying to watch the footage? Mention that they are breaking the law, and they’ll scurry off.,
This is not about ‘bending over’, ‘being a company yes men’, or ‘having no spine’. This is about knowing and understanding the rules and laws, and using them to your advantage.
the nodding donkey:
You can’t stop a company from installing cctv in the workplace. Almost every workplace has it today. But not in toilets or showers. There are very strickt rules governing cctv, and privacy, and the invasion there off, is well defined and upheld. So companies are treading a fine line when installing cctv in the cab. They are entitled to do so, as long as they are only using it whilst you’re ‘at work’.When you stop driving, for a break or daily rest if on a night out, cover the camera. Simple. It gives you piece of mind and stops any peeping Tom shenanigans from the office.
Nobody can reprimand your for that, for that, because they are only supposed to look at them ‘retrospectively in case of an incident’. And as there was no incident, what were they doing trying to watch the footage? Mention that they are breaking the law, and they’ll scurry off.,This is not about ‘bending over’, ‘being a company yes men’, or ‘having no spine’. This is about knowing and understanding the rules and laws, and using them to your advantage.
So now we are supposed to take steps to protect our RIGHT of privacy because we think/know that our office are capable or even more than likely definitely will break the law.
On those grounds alone, that some drivers feel the necessity to do that, there is a justification to refuse to accept them.
So on the contrary bud, …it’s ALL about bending over and lack of balls.
As I said, my inward camera is blocked, for two reasons.
One for that you point out, the second to show my disagreement to it…ie I take it as an insult as I am not convinced it is only triggered by an incident only.
I also know it could make things go vastly ■■■■ up for me, if something occurs, and if some ■■■■ makes a judgement that I am in the wrong in some way.
If they eventually sack me for it…so be it.
I’ll go back to a firm that treat their drivers like grown ups.