In cab cameras have arrived at our place

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Welp it happened. They’ve sneakily installed them after months of promising ‘‘new vehicles with telematics’’. There were some rumors about driver facing cams but I didn’t (want to) believe them.

I’ve talked to a few of the other drivers and not a single one is excited about this novelty. We’ve been trying to figure out a way to challenge this completely uncalled for decision - at least at our depot I’m unaware of any public road accidents involving our HGVs in the last 3 years so to come up with these out of the blue feels like a stab in the back or a slap in the face, equal parts disrespectful and disgusting.

We don’t know how they work - do they stream, record - when, for how long, is the information (recordings) stored and where/for how long, who has access to the records…and who is allowed to view them and for what reason

Really bummed about this as I liked this job but this is a line in the sand for me I think. I’m going on holiday but I’ll be thinking about a new job potentially. Absolute f-ing s-t show this profession is turning into

Oh btw there were and will not be any new vehicles, it’s just triple cam clusters installed in the old ones.

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Weve got them at our place.It wasnt nice,the first shift I did,seeing that camera,but I just had to learn to live with them because its a good job apart from that.If I leave,Im just replaced,driver shortage over now.There are people in my area just passed the HGV,cant get a job

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ETS:
Absolute f-ing s-t show this profession is turning into

Yes…

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The Blue Brigade from Highbridge had them when I was there. Only recorded last few seconds and the next few. Triggered by Harsh Braking and/or Sideways movement. Light on camera changed from green to red to show it had recorded.
Satalite went over about 02.00 A.M. and it was beamed to USA, I was told. They looked at it and if they thought it was serious enough, it was sent to office. light changed back to green.
True or not? Don’t know.

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Weve had them for months now. As far as Im aware they ‘trigger’ if there is an incident, such as harsh braking, erratic steering, collision. Visiontrack, who supplied ours apparently review the footage (30 seconds prior and after the event) and if they deem its something the driver shouldn’t be doing, they send the footage to our company for a senior manager to review. If the incident shows nothing, it is ignored. It is recording constantly, so if someone sends in a complaint, or police ask, any footage at any time can be viewed.

All a load of bolox really, I just ignore it now. I never ever ever touch my phone when driving as its not worth the risk. I still eat and drink, water, apples, nuts etc. Dont give a stuff, if im hungry or thirsty i will eat and drink as we are not allowed to stop for breaks.

Like a previous poster said, Im not happy with them, BUT the other advantages of the job (easy, good money, good hours) far outweigh the cameras.

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By the way, anyone that’s got the large Microlise tablets in their cabs i.e Tesco drivers; these tablets have functioning cameras on the front and rear.

One driver found out the hard way when they showed him an image of him smoking in the cab. That’s why a lot of Tesco drivers place the tablet underneath their bags or clipboard out of the way :laughing:

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First thing is to get your union on the case, sounds like an impact assessment hasn’t been taken and without proper consultation the company are way out of line with the potential for succesful claims of constructive dismissal looming.

A search will find the details i posted some years ago with reference to the .gov relevant pages you need to read, suggest you use the term ‘impact assessment’’ if you want to search for that thread.

If you stick together and refuse to drive with them working they can be defeated, we defeated them as did other operators in our sector (all unionised companies)…it helps if your work is even a little bit specialised so they can’t just grab agency bods off the street to keep the job going, one of our competitors found them fitted on a Monday morn, not a vehicle left the depot, by lunch time they were removed and never refitted.

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Marky-p:
By the way, anyone that’s got the large Microlise tablets in their cabs i.e Tesco drivers; these tablets have functioning cameras on the front and rear.

No they don’t. Well certainly not at our place. We have the tablets and there are no functioning cameras on them, camera lense yes, but not used as a camera.

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Juddian:
First thing is to get your union on the case, sounds like an impact assessment hasn’t been taken and without proper consultation the company are way out of line with the potential for succesful claims of constructive dismissal looming.

A search will find the details i posted some years ago with reference to the .gov relevant pages you need to read, suggest you use the term ‘impact assessment’’ if you want to search for that thread.

If you stick together and refuse to drive with them working they can be defeated, we defeated them as did other operators in our sector (all unionised companies)…it helps if your work is even a little bit specialised so they can’t just grab agency bods off the street to keep the job going, one of our competitors found them fitted on a Monday morn, not a vehicle left the depot, by lunch time they were removed and never refitted.

First sentence, non starter so go no further…What’s the betting there ain’t any Union,.because Unions are all things bad apparentlly from what you read on here…ignoring the FACT that union used companies are on far better (and fairer) t.s & c.s than what I’m on at least.

Your first sentence in second paragraph…that is a non starter…
‘‘If you stick together’’ …nah.
And refuse? . Aye right … :laughing: :laughing:

2 or maybe 3 of us kicked off big style, when they fitted the ‘‘incident only’’ cameras, the rest just bent over true to form,.and left the 2 or 3 of us sat there in the yard. :unamused:
A similar co to ours,at Darlo … the drivers refused to take the motors out Mon am when the drivers discovered them, they were told take them out today, and we will replace them with forward facing only cameras, when you get back.

These firms just stick their trotters in the water to see what happens, but drivers are too thick,.servile or both to see that, so it goes on like every other ■■■■ take in this ■■■■ job today. :imp:

(No reference to o/p btw,.as I do not know him or his firm,.I am speaking generally and from experience.)

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tmcassett:

Marky-p:
By the way, anyone that’s got the large Microlise tablets in their cabs i.e Tesco drivers; these tablets have functioning cameras on the front and rear.

No they don’t. Well certainly not at our place. We have the tablets and there are no functioning cameras on them, camera lense yes, but not used as a camera.

Those microlise tablets can barely send data to get the next job, no way do they transmit full hd video!!

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tmcassett:

Marky-p:
By the way, anyone that’s got the large Microlise tablets in their cabs i.e Tesco drivers; these tablets have functioning cameras on the front and rear.

No they don’t. Well certainly not at our place. We have the tablets and there are no functioning cameras on them, camera lense yes, but not used as a camera.

Well then your place may have different microlise tablets.

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Swordsy:

tmcassett:

Marky-p:
By the way, anyone that’s got the large Microlise tablets in their cabs i.e Tesco drivers; these tablets have functioning cameras on the front and rear.

No they don’t. Well certainly not at our place. We have the tablets and there are no functioning cameras on them, camera lense yes, but not used as a camera.

Those microlise tablets can barely send data to get the next job, no way do they transmit full hd video!!

Exactly. I highly doubt they have the capacity of recording as a driver facing camera.

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Juddian:
First thing is to get your union on the case,

robroy:
Your first sentence in second paragraph…that is a non starter…
‘‘If you stick together’’ …nah.
And refuse? . Aye right … :laughing: :laughing:

My thoughts exactly. If someone is going to allow themselves to be told they’re working a 15 hour day with the absolute bare legal minimum of breaks, they haven’t much chance of anyone taking them seriously if they complain about driver facing cameras. And with the amount of truck drivers I see every day using their phones when driving, it’s not hard to see how the company will insist they’re justified bringing them in.

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Swordsy:

tmcassett:

Marky-p:
By the way, anyone that’s got the large Microlise tablets in their cabs i.e Tesco drivers; these tablets have functioning cameras on the front and rear.

No they don’t. Well certainly not at our place. We have the tablets and there are no functioning cameras on them, camera lense yes, but not used as a camera.

Those microlise tablets can barely send data to get the next job, no way do they transmit full hd video!!

I’d like to say I was joking, or that I hope I’m wrong but…

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Juddian:
If you stick together and refuse to drive with them working they can be defeated

Trouble is…

As robroy has already alluded to, no one will stick together.

As soon as they’ve done their vehicle checks (if they bother at all), the door is shut and they’re out the gate.

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Personally, I would just quit on the spot.
But if drive the same truck everyday I would break it by mistake. Then I’d tell them that I broke the camera by mistake and if they fix it I will quit.

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adam277:
Personally, I would just quit on the spot.
But if drive the same truck everyday I would break it by mistake. Then I’d tell them that I broke the camera by mistake and if they fix it I will quit.

“The hammer fell out of my hand Guv”

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SAINT-HYACINTHE, Que. — The Quebec Superior Court has officially sided with truck drivers in a five-year battle concerning driver-facing cameras.

On Sept. 11, Sysco Quebec was ordered by the court to remove driver-facing cameras in all of its trucks, claiming that the driver-facing Lytx DriveCams were not the only way Sysco could promote safety in its fleet, and there were other “less intrusive” methods to do so.

This happened in 2017 in Canada when the drivers of Sysco a food distribution company stuck to their guns.

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Well we saw in Canada with the recent protests that Canadian Truckers have backbones. If British drivers ever had that, it is long lost.
I suspect… probably in the 90s we lost that if we ever had it, I may be wrong though.
I like to think back in the day truckers in the UK helped each other out if they saw a truck broken down.
Highly likely in Canada they help each other out because they travel a lot further and often the roads are a lot less busy.

But either way your not gonna get a bunch of british HGV drivers to refuse to drive wagons. When I worked at a parcel firm… drivers would walk out instead of helping a struggling driver finish his drops lol.

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remy:
This happened in 2017 in Canada when the drivers of Sysco a food distribution company stuck to their guns.

Remy mate…

It’s hard to get a group of drivers to agree about the way in to the car park, the national speed limit or if they want sugar in their coffee here.