Immigrants getting beaten up by trucker in Calais

[bking]

newmercman:

Bking:

SteveBarnsleytrucker:

Bking:
Stop bombing and ■■■■■■ their country.
How many Iraqi refugees were there before 2003 None
How many Libyan refugees before 2011 none

Stop stealing their oil and killing their children and they will stay at home.

Not hard to figure is it?

Yeah because it’s our Army’s fault for going over there and helping them out that they want to come here Where do you get your facts from stating that there were none of them over here before 2003 and 2011? You work for the Home Office?
I think you’ll find that the dictatorships of them country’s did a perfectly good job of killing their own children and own people who didn’t want to follow their beliefs.

Yes I remember the “supergun” and the WMD that that assshole Blair told me Saddam had.
Lying scum and a million innocent people died
Then they make this piece of [zb] a “middle east peace envoy”
Makes me want to puke.

Oh now this is getting silly, that’s two successive posts from you that I complete agree with.[/quo

Your going simple like me.
Been looking for that bugger all day,have you seen him?

[newmercman]

Firstly the “heroic” driver was some kind of Eastern European. I thought we weren’t supposed to like them as they are stealing British jobs?

Secondly the twin towers were mentioned, I don’t know if time has clouded your memories of that even, but it was a Saudi and a bunch of other Arabs that were responsible. So after that terrible event we went to war…

With Afghanistan and then Iraq…

Why?

Thirdly, all this anti Muslim stuff is propaganda, high levels of security to protect us from these savages, public marches by Muslim extremists and all the rest of it so that your freedoms can be taken away one piece at a time and you’ll thank them for protecting you.

The only thing wrong with that is that most of these Muslim extremists are living in Council Houses and claiming benefits, quite a few arrived illegally and we’re given all this by the very same politicians that are now “protecting” you from them.

Madness, it’s time to wake up to it and put a stop to it before it’s too late.

[carryfast]

Firstly it would be reasonable to say that Hitler’s ideology and rise to power was a foreseeable direct product of what happened when we made the catastrophic mistake of listening to Curchill.Instead of supporting the Kaiser against Russian aggression against Germany and rather than supporting Russia in carrying it out.

Fast forward to GW’s 1 and 2 and Afghan etc etc.Unlike Germany in 1914 the fact is these people really do want to take us out it isn’t just a propaganda exercise by our dodgy leaders.While,just like 1930’s Germany,we don’t have the luxury of being able to differentiate the good Islamists from the bad even assuming there is an actual ‘good’ side to the Islamic cause.

Then unlike Chamberlain in playing a brilliant blinder in buying us time against Hitler,like Churchill in WW1 the mess that our leaders have got us into in this case has nothing to do with conspiracy but stupidity in going for the wrong strategy.Which in this case would have been to let Sadamm sort out the Saudis instead of stirring up the hornets nest of GW1,GW2 and then Afghan.In which case,like Jordan etc we’d have now been facing someone who was stupid enough for us to be able to deal with on our own terms while at the same time leaving him to sort out all the nutters in his own backyard especially Saudi and Iranian style Islam.Which like Assad and Co he was rather good at.

Instead of which we chose to take out Sadamm,invade Afghan,keep on propping up the Saudis,get rid of Gadaffi,try to take out Assad,and then open our borders to every potential Islamic suicide artist who feels like walking in while also calling all their mates who are already here as ‘British’ as I am.Bearing in mind that the Islamic threat in Afghan is based in Pakistan anyway and is stronger now than it was before we went in.

As for Bush it was actually his idea to expand the EU and NATO into Ukraine having already upset the Russians by moving it up to their borders in Poland and the Baltic States.Together with a bit of help from our illustrious leaders.The results of that small ‘argument’ having the potential to kick off WW3.In which case it is anyone’s guess what the Jihadists are going to do if/when our forces are ever pre occupied with that issue.

The fact is our leaders are probably too stupid to be conspiring against us even if they wanted to.Although the bankers might be a different matter.In which case it is all about the cheap labour angle whatever it takes.

[newmercman]

Hmmm, I don’t think Churchill did a very good job in WW1, wasn’t he responsible for Galipoli?

As for the rest of it, you mention leaders, well we don’t have leaders, we have democratically elected representatives and the two are very different things, oat least they should be!

Bush 1, 2 & maybe 3 along with the rest of them, Bliar and Thatcher (not a spello) included are just puppets for the people that decide which direction the world will take in terms of politics and economically.

Call them what you like, illuminati, new world order, blah, blah, blah. The facts speak for themselves, every country in the world is in debt. How can this be possible? Britain owns the pound, America owns the dollar, Japan owns the Yen, Russia the Rouble etc etc etc and yet each country owes trillions of the currencies that they own.

Who do they owe it to? How do they owe it in the first place?

I’ll tell you, they owe it to the banking dynasties and those banking dynasties are untouchable. It’s not just about oil money either.

Look at the recent scandal involving HSBC and its laundering of drug money, it got away scot free.

Look back at where the original east coast Yankees came from, all the American “royalty” from New England are decedent’s of the owners of the owners of the Yankee Clippers that supplied Opium to the Chinese during the Opium Wars.

This may explain why America was so concerned about the poor Vietnamese, the proximity of the poppy fields of Burma and the thought of losing control of them was too much to risk, so in they went. The same applies to Afghanistan, no Afghanistanis were involved in 9/11, Bin Laden wasn’t from Afghanistan, the place is chock a block with Opium Poppies though.

Nobody had ever heard of the Taliban until they became public enemy number one and why exactly were they our enemy? Their human rights record is admittedly not great, but it isn’t as bad as the Saudis and they’re our mates. The reason they became our enemy is because we were told by George and Tony that they were our enemy and they were told to tell us that by their masters.

Now the current lot are telling us it’s ISIS that are trying to kill us all, it’s all a bloody great big smokescreen to keep our attention away from what’s really going on and when that starts wearing a bit thin all if a sudden Lucy Beale gets murdered and Jeremy Clarkson lamps some spotty youth and attention is focused on that.

Meanwhile there’s still a missing plane, an uninvestigated political ■■■■■■■■■ ring, the Ukrainian situation and the selling off of the NHS to name a few little things that we’re being told nothing about.

[winseer]

Bking:

3 wheeler:
So if the driver is an owner driver with a fresh food load that won’t be accepted by the supermarket because of the damage with the [zb] ■■■■■■■ on it and climbing all over it he is possibly,£100k in the hole with his insurance company or bankrupt !
And the immigrants don’t give a crap !!!
Now will all the namby pamby do Gooders please send money to a poor driver just trying to make an honest living.

And a poor Iraqi gets his house blown away whilst trying to earning a crust dont matter?
Your government using your taxes took away this mans livelihood and probably his family
Only when he tries to cross your borders does it become your problem.
HE did not threaten you or your way of life,yet you stand and cheer while his life is obliterated.
Disgusting.

I don’t accept that. We, the people did NOT vote for a war in Iraq, nor anywhere else come to that.
The problem we have in this country starts when our ruling classes will lie, cheat, and steal to get elected - then for the remaining 4 years 364 days until the next time they are interested in “getting people’s vote” - they’ll do pretty much what they please, as directed by their multinational paymasters - and what’s done in “our name” ends up being Dictat.
If those people abroad felt hard-done-by for Britain attacking them in an illegal war - why come here, to the lion’s den?

The whole concept of “international sovereignty” and recognition of each other’s states is bogus. There’s no point recognising another country’s right to “severance” from Britain unless they don’t require us for anything other than trade in the future. The correct way to deal with Saddam Hussain was to wait for him to invade another country ( like in 1991) then boots on the ground go in, totally occupy the entire country, and dissolve Iraq as a country, no longer recognised by the world. They’ve had long enough to rise up and remove the dictator in the meantime, regardless of the fact that it was Britain who put him in power in the first place. “Lack of support” from Britain should be the spark used to ignite uprisings in basket case countries all around the world.
We should never be accepting foreign citizens here - unless they are going about legit business - that is, they already have a job, money, and a place to live set up. The same would apply for us emmigrating anywhere else in the world, so it’s hardly a double standard.

Importing yourself to Britain as a criminal from the outset - gives us all total justification to take matters into our own hands, because our own law enforcement isn’t manned enough or cannot be arsed to do it as they should.

[carryfast]

newmercman:
Hmmm, I don’t think Churchill did a very good job in WW1, wasn’t he responsible for Galipoli?

It would probably be fair to say that Churchill and Gray amongst a few others and the French were responsible for the whole thing. However the important bit is that Germany was more or less the victim not the cause when all the propaganda bs is stripped away.Also bearing in mind the issue of Churchill’s position on Ireland then trying to paint Austria as a ‘bully’ on the issue of Serbia.

The resulting armistice and the peace being wrecked again by the stupidity of the French.The result being Hitler and the Nazis.In which case ironically if it hadn’t have been for Chamberlain the Battle of Britain would have taken place around a year earlier before we’d built up our Spitfire strength and Churchill wouldn’t have got all the credit for winning WW2.

Meanwhile now the whole thing has turned full circle and we’re where we should have been in 1914 facing down the Russians.Except this time the Russians genuinely have a case to think that they are the ones under threat from ze Germans instead of vice versa.

Added to which is the fact that we’ve now got an open borders immigration policy based on indoctrination of our younger generations that if we don’t it makes us all racist nazis.Let alone the problems in the Middle East of the Jewish homeland and the racist Arab forces who want it pushed into the sea after the obligatory massacre. Somehow I think that Hitler and his lot are all somewhere in the next life having a good laugh at all this.

[eddie_snax]

newmercman:
Look back at where the original east coast Yankees came from, all the American “royalty” from New England are decedent’s of the owners of the owners of the Yankee Clippers that supplied Opium to the Chinese during the Opium Wars.

This may explain why America was so concerned about the poor Vietnamese, the proximity of the poppy fields of Burma and the thought of losing control of them was too much to risk, so in they went…

And there was me thinking it was to do with the French ballsing up the end off their imperial legacy, and the USA’s paranoia about the spread off ■■■■■■■■■

newmercman:
. The same applies to Afghanistan, no Afghanistanis were involved in 9/11, Bin Laden wasn’t from Afghanistan, the place is chock a block with Opium Poppies though.

Nobody had ever heard of the Taliban until they became public enemy number one and why exactly were they our enemy? .

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I had heard off the Taliban before 2001, but wait that would have been on mainstream media(actually in a C4 documentary), so no doubt in your view off the world that wouldn’t count

Does every thing have to be the fault off the west, cant it just be that Islamic fundamentalist are nasty people, and that they are responsible for the mass migration from the Middle East and North Africa. Some times not all the evil rulers are in the Whitehouse or Downing st.

Libya, Egypt and Syria are in turmoil because the people rose up against brutal regimes, and if Saddam hadn’t already gone what makes anyone believe that the Iraqi people wouldn’t have gone for some Arab Spring rebellion off they’re own. The fact that ISIS are rampaging over the areas off Iraq and Syria that they are, isn’t due to the west’s roll in removing Saddam, otherwise why did the ISIS start in Syria, (where thankfully our politician forced the Government away from getting involved). Maybe the reason is to do with the different types off Islam, and the fact the minority Sunni Iraqi population now feel disenfranchised by the Iraqi government, and leapt into the ISIS Sunni bandwagon. Though I suppose that some would say the Iraqi government is just a puppet of the west, even though it is mainly made up from the majority Shi’a population.

But hey what do I know, I only read and listen to what is happening in the world

[carryfast]

eddie snax:

newmercman:
Look back at where the original east coast Yankees came from, all the American “royalty” from New England are decedent’s of the owners of the owners of the Yankee Clippers that supplied Opium to the Chinese during the Opium Wars.

This may explain why America was so concerned about the poor Vietnamese, the proximity of the poppy fields of Burma and the thought of losing control of them was too much to risk, so in they went…

And there was me thinking it was to do with the French ballsing up the end off their imperial legacy, and the USA’s paranoia about the spread off ■■■■■■■■■

newmercman:
. The same applies to Afghanistan, no Afghanistanis were involved in 9/11, Bin Laden wasn’t from Afghanistan, the place is chock a block with Opium Poppies though.

Nobody had ever heard of the Taliban until they became public enemy number one and why exactly were they our enemy? .

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I had heard off the Taliban before 2001, but wait that would have been on mainstream media(actually in a C4 documentary), so no doubt in your view off the world that wouldn’t count

Does every thing have to be the fault off the west, cant it just be that Islamic fundamentalist are nasty people, and that they are responsible for the mass migration from the Middle East and North Africa. Some times not all the evil rulers are in the Whitehouse or Downing st.

To be fair he does have a point as to the question why both the Vietnam and Afghan ‘arguments’ didn’t include the obvious tactic of totally destroying all the Opium fields.Although having said that just don’t ever then end up in hospital with a painful medical problem that needs the type of pain relief that only Morphine can provide.

[newmercman]

The thing is WW1 and 2 were genuine wars in so much as they were about conquering other countries.

Since then, apart from the Falklands and the invasion of Kuwait, there’s been another agenda in every war.

I know it all seems a bit far fetched and conspiracy theory, but what exactly is this war on terror all about?

Who is trying to benefit from this threat of terror? We in the western world have lost a considerable amount of our freedom, everywhere we go a camera watches us as it watches out for terrorists, our phone calls, emails and social media can be monitored in the interest of public safety. Travelling by plane subjects us to a level of scrutiny only people being imprisoned used to get.

This is all because of the threat from Muslim terrorists, yet Muslims are allowed to protest on our streets waving banners that call for the death of our soldiers etc. Yet if we dare to speak badly of these people or retaliate in any way with our own protests we would be locked up for inciting racial hatred or some such ■■■■■■■■.

Yet I thought that these extreme Muslims were our enemy? After all our military is in their countries fighting for our freedom, or so they tell us.

Is it just me? Or is that a bit of a contradiction?

[carryfast]

newmercman:
The thing is WW1 and 2 were genuine wars in so much as they were about conquering other countries.

Since then, apart from the Falklands and the invasion of Kuwait, there’s been another agenda in every war.

Ironically,like WW2,WW1 from our point of view was probably more about regime change hence the armistice not an occupation.The result being they kicked out the Kaiser and got Hitler. By that logic they just got lucky in WW2 and then thought the same tactic will work every time.

[eddie_snax]

Carryfast:
To be fair he does have a point as to the question why both the Vietnam and Afghan ‘arguments’ didn’t include the obvious tactic of totally destroying all the Opium fields.Although having said that just don’t ever then end up in hospital with a painful medical problem that needs the type of pain relief that only Morphine can provide.

To Me the answer is simple, this thread started about Migration, whether that be humanitarian or economic legal or lawful. The one sure thing is, that if a population has its source off income removed then what are they going to live on, and then why would they stay put, and like it or not, opium gives these populations a source off income, so maybe its no less conspiritorial than that

[newmercman]

They didn’t get that lucky, unless the result of WW2 was what they were going for all along.

By result I don’t mean the victory, but the stuff that followed, like Korea, Vietnam and the daddy of them all, the cold war.

The men behind the scenes made an absolute fortune out of all that and the ‘losers’ didn’t do too bad out of it either. You’ve said so yourself many times Carryfast.

I don’t get it, I don’t have a clue what’s going on in the world, but I do know that the version that we are told is nowhere near the truth.

So are these conspiracy theories just theories, or are they closer to the truth than we know?

[eddie_snax]

newmercman:
I don’t get it, I don’t have a clue what’s going on in the world, but I do know that the version that we are told is nowhere near the truth.

So are these conspiracy theories just theories, or are they closer to the truth than we know?

I just don’t see how when most Governments in the west are so incompetent most off the time, and these dictators are so narrow minded, that any off them would have the wit to organise some off the theories that seem to go about. Such as to do with WW1/2 and so on up to recent times. Maybe it is just events and not some wider plan

[newmercman]

eddie snax:

Carryfast:
To be fair he does have a point as to the question why both the Vietnam and Afghan ‘arguments’ didn’t include the obvious tactic of totally destroying all the Opium fields.Although having said that just don’t ever then end up in hospital with a painful medical problem that needs the type of pain relief that only Morphine can provide.

To Me the answer is simple, this thread started about Migration, whether that be humanitarian or economic legal or lawful. The one sure thing is, that if a population has its source off income removed then what are they going to live on, and then why would they stay put, and like it or not, opium gives these populations a source off income, so maybe its no less conspiritorial than that

As I said Eddie, I don’t have the answers, but I don’t believe the answers that the politicians are giving me either.

And you’re right this thread is about migration, we have groups of Muslims (now we’ve got all the Eastern Europeans in the EU they don’t have to enter illegally) jumping in trailers and getting into the country.

Whilst on the other hand legal citizens of Britain have to go through a ridiculous amount of scrutiny under the watchful eye of a multitude of cameras and armed police just to jump on an EasyJet for a long weekend in Barcelona.

How the ■■■■ does that make sense?

[carryfast]

newmercman:
They didn’t get that lucky, unless the result of WW2 was what they were going for all along.

By result I don’t mean the victory, but the stuff that followed, like Korea, Vietnam and the daddy of them all, the cold war.

The men behind the scenes made an absolute fortune out of all that and the ‘losers’ didn’t do too bad out of it either. You’ve said so yourself many times Carryfast.

I don’t get it, I don’t have a clue what’s going on in the world, but I do know that the version that we are told is nowhere near the truth.

So are these conspiracy theories just theories, or are they closer to the truth than we know?

Logically there was no foreseable connection between WW1/WW2 and the ‘Capitalist’ v Communist ideological conflict that marked Korea,Vietnam and the Cold War.

IE Korea,Vietnam and the Cold War were a ‘reaction’ by the allies to Communist action.In the form of North Korea and North Vietnam invading their respective anti Commy South and Russia ( understandably in that case ) not going to go back to its own borders after the end of WW2.Just like the previous issues in China when the US etc backed the White Chinese forces against the Reds.All of which ended up in a 2-0 win for the commies in the case of China and Vietnam and a draw in the case of Korea and the Cold War.

While the strategy in backing Russia and France instead of Germany in WW1 let alone Churchill then trying to get into the WW2 that his stupidity had made inevitable before we had the hardware to even stand a chance of defending ourselves .Are all the smoking gun that,like GW’s 1 and 2 and Afghan and now trying to move NATO into Russia’s back yard after the so called ‘end’ of the Cold War’ etc suggests that it is often probably a case of sheer stupidity by those who think they know best rather than conspiracy.

Although having said that WW1 obviously set back the increasingly vocifereous and effective demands for improvement in working class living standards by decades to the point where it took until the 1960’s to get that back on track.Simply by getting rid of those who ( would have been ) at the forefront in doing it.By telling them to walk slowly in neat lines into the German machine guns which they pretended to have wiped out with inaccurate or ineffective artillery fire.Bearing in mind that there was nothing stopping them reversing the orders and then starting up the artillery barrages,this time accurately and/or effectively,when the Germans had left their deep bunkers and showed their hand.IE rifles v machine guns doesn’t generally work but artillery always does just so long as whoever is firing it is given the right co ordinates and the people they are firing at are actually there and not hiding underground.

In addition to which the only people who really gain from our open door immigration policy are those who want to minimise income levels.Therefore as I said ‘if’ there is a case for conspiracy it is the bankers who are the most likely culprits.Our leaders having shown time and again that they haven’t got the intelligence to make a good conspiracy work even if they wanted to.Also bearing in mind at least Churchill’s family history in the form of his maternal Grandfather.IE one of the biggest bankers of his time.So maybe it is all a combination of both conspiracy on the part of the bankers and stupidity on the part of the politicians who just do what the bankers tell them to do.Especially bearing in mind the fact that Communism now seems fine just so long as the so called ‘Capitalist’ bankers get a good kick back from the cheap labour it provides.As opposed to 1960’s America.

[eddie_snax]

newmercman:

eddie snax:

Carryfast:
To be fair he does have a point as to the question why both the Vietnam and Afghan ‘arguments’ didn’t include the obvious tactic of totally destroying all the Opium fields.Although having said that just don’t ever then end up in hospital with a painful medical problem that needs the type of pain relief that only Morphine can provide.

To Me the answer is simple, this thread started about Migration, whether that be humanitarian or economic legal or lawful. The one sure thing is, that if a population has its source off income removed then what are they going to live on, and then why would they stay put, and like it or not, opium gives these populations a source off income, so maybe its no less conspiritorial than that

As I said Eddie, I don’t have the answers, but I don’t believe the answers that the politicians are giving me either.

And you’re right this thread is about migration, we have groups of Muslims (now we’ve got all the Eastern Europeans in the EU they don’t have to enter illegally) jumping in trailers and getting into the country.

Whilst on the other hand legal citizens of Britain have to go through a ridiculous amount of scrutiny under the watchful eye of a multitude of cameras and armed police just to jump on an EasyJet for a long weekend in Barcelona.

How the [zb] does that make sense?

It don’t make sense at all, though at least now the British Intelligence services are occasionally looking in the right direction, as opposed to before 9/11 when the British Intelligence services were only interested in Irish terrorism, even though the French “yes them again”, were warning “us” about Muslim fundamentalists who were using this country as a safe haven to furment their hatred in France Algeria and across the Arab speaking world

Just too add. This puts, from My view point anyway a line through the false logic that says GW1/2 and the Afghanistan campaign, are the reason for all the trouble going on in those countries the wider middle east and north Africa, and disproves the link between those campaigns and the current problems. There have been for decades Islamic hate preachers stirring hatred on a sectarian level, let alone a terms of a wider religious fight. Nasty nasty people.

[carryfast]

eddie snax:
Just too add. This puts, from My view point anyway a line through the false logic that says GW1/2 and the Afghanistan campaign, are the reason for all the trouble going on in those countries the wider middle east and north Africa, and disproves the link between those campaigns and the current problems. There have been for decades Islamic hate preachers stirring hatred on a sectarian level, let alone a terms of a wider religious fight. Nasty nasty people.

^ +1.

The relevant argument being that GW’s 1 and 2 and Afghan were the wrong strategy not against the wrong enemy.That strategy making much more sense if we’d have stood by and used Saddam to de rail and conquer the Saudis and the Iranians.‘Then’ join Israel in keeping the resulting Sadamm led Arab empire in its place.Together with the realisation that the problems in Afghan and the home grown terrorist threat is a mostly a Saudi led Pakistani/Asian/North African alliance with a bit of Iranian influence thrown in.

In which case selling our economic prosperity out the Chinese Communists, wasting loads of troops’ lives on a wild goose chase in Afghan and getting rid of Gadaffi and trying to get rid of Assad and leaving in place our open door immigration policy and definition of nationality was/is the last thing we need/ed in sorting that issue out.Let alone adding to the mistake by trying to push NATO into Russia’s back yard.

The main protagonists in that zb’d line up thinking seeming to be the American government.In which case asuming that,as seems the case that government has finally sold out to just being a total puppet of the bankers.It is anyone’s guess how even the most corrupt banker conspiracy sees any advantage in selling out to the Communists.In addition to putting us all at risk of Islamic takeover by grovelling to the Saudis and Iranians,and trying to kick off WW3 with Russia.

[newmercman]

Like I said, I’m not pretending to know what I’m talking about, but I am convinced of one thing.

The politicians are just puppets for the bankers. Every single thing that happens in the world of politics happens because that’s what they want to happen.

[carryfast]

newmercman:
Like I said, I’m not pretending to know what I’m talking about, but I am convinced of one thing.

The politicians are just puppets for the bankers.

Not all of them.

youtube.com/watch?v=TwxMqKPEVic

youtube.com/watch?v=AftUzZyuhYM

[the-snowman]

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What could possibly be the problem with this I wonder?