If you were driving a wagon with all the highly flammable signs on the back would you flick a lit ■■■ end out of the window?
Like I say I dont have ADR but I was following a tanker up the M5 the other night and was amazed (not to say scared ■■■■■■■■■■■ see a ■■■ end flicked out of the window and bounce sparking up the road. Is this wise, or am I just being a wuss, to me if I was being paid the silly money these “elite” drivers are getting I would get well clear of my highly flammable load before having a smoke.
schrodingers cat:
If you were driving a wagon with all the highly flammable signs on the back would you flick a lit ■■■ end out of the window?
Like I say I dont have ADR but I was following a tanker up the M5 the other night and was amazed (not to say scared [zb])to see a ■■■ end flicked out of the window and bounce sparking up the road. Is this wise, or am I just being a wuss, to me if I was being paid the silly money these “elite” drivers are getting I would get well clear of my highly flammable load before having a smoke.
Do you really think we would be allowed to transport fuel by road if it was at risk to every single dog end flicked out a window or by a passing pedestrian ? Fact is you feel uncomfortable simply because it was the driver, would you have posted a similar thing if it was simply a car driver who was passing the truck or a pedestrian in a town centre ■■
schrodingers cat:
If you were driving a wagon with all the highly flammable signs on the back would you flick a lit ■■■ end out of the window?
Like I say I dont have ADR but I was following a tanker up the M5 the other night and was amazed (not to say scared [zb])to see a ■■■ end flicked out of the window and bounce sparking up the road. Is this wise, or am I just being a wuss, to me if I was being paid the silly money these “elite” drivers are getting I would get well clear of my highly flammable load before having a smoke.
If he was a proper tanker driver the product would be safely inside the vessel and perfectly safe, otherwise how would it be if the bloke in a BMW flicked a smouldering Cuban out of his chauffeur driven car.
The only thing I have really worried about is a lorry load of dry hay or straw
Do you really think we would be allowed to transport fuel by road if it was at risk to every single dog end flicked out a window or by a passing pedestrian ? Fact is you feel uncomfortable simply because it was the driver, would you have posted a similar thing if it was simply a car driver who was passing the truck or a pedestrian in a town centre ■■
So theres no possiblity of residue in the delivery pipes?
As I said I dont drive ADR but it just doesn’t seem safe to me to be chucking ■■■ ends around a trailer that spends its life around highly flammable products.
And imagine if you were driving your petrol tanker and a car passed you and flicked a lit cigarette out the window onto your trailer, I reckon you would be on here complaining about it as quick as a flash.
I assume then that you’re an ADR driver and your ADR training says it is ok to throw lit ■■■ end out of the window?
To be honnest anyone flicking ■■■ ends out the window deservs to be hung. they can do a huge amount of damage to any vehicle if they get caught up somewere especialy if they land on a fule line
Thers also the fact that not everyone wants the roads decorated wtih litter, why not just keep them in the ashtray or better yet dont smoke while driving
AHT:
To be honnest anyone flicking ■■■ ends out the window deservs to be hung. they can do a huge amount of damage to any vehicle if they get caught up somewere especialy if they land on a fule line
Thers also the fact that not everyone wants the roads decorated wtih litter, why not just keep them in the ashtray or better yet dont smoke while driving
That’s a different argument though and the likelyhood of a ■■■ end burning through a fuel line is slim, so slim in fact that I have more chance of winning the Eurobillions again.
schrodingers cat:
I assume then that you’re an ADR driver and your ADR training says it is ok to throw lit ■■■ end out of the window?
ADR doesn’t quite work like that, it doesn’t tell you what you can do, it explains what you cannot do, and in the smoking section these are the words it uses.
7.5.9 Prohibition of smoking
Smoking shall be prohibited during handling operations in the vicinity of vehicles or containers and inside the vehicles and containers.
*Smoking, the use of fire or of naked flames shall be prohibited on vehicles carrying substances and articles of class 1, in their vicinity and during the loading and unloading of these substances and articles.
Now you could argue the definition of “inside vehicles”, but in the legislation it means within the cargo compartment, not within the cab.
class 1 covers all explosives.
There are two distinctions, one says “On” vehicles and the other says “Inside” vehicles.
Besides we have done all this before and apart from my glitch with fireworks nothing has really changed.
Phantom Mark:
As I said I dont drive ADR but it just doesn’t seem safe to me to be chucking ■■■ ends around a trailer that spends its life around highly flammable products.
And imagine if you were driving your petrol tanker and a car passed you and flicked a lit cigarette out the window onto your trailer
Simple and cheap test to make you feel better, grab yourself a plastic fuel can, neck it, place it outside, stand back a couple of metres and start flicking ■■■■ ends at it, to make the test as fair as possible try and ensure it is in direct sunlight so you can raise the flashpoint as high as possible for maximum effect, finally write back here with the results in a couple of years when you get bored of flicking those ■■■■ ends, or maybe up the anti and start throwing small pieces of lit toilet paper at it, hopefully you will then relax when you realise there no danger from people being careless with a ■■■■
Phantom Mark:
Simple and cheap test to make you feel better, grab yourself a plastic fuel can, neck it, place it outside, stand back a couple of metres and start flicking ■■■■ ends at it,
Ehhm NO?
Mainly because I think personally that would be bloody stupid. Do they encourage that for ADR drivers? Maybe you do deserve extra money for what I thought should be a pretty safe job if you do it right, but it sounds like you should get serious danger money.
I know of more than one instance where a truck has been damaged because the driver/passenger threw a lit fagend out of the cab window, from where it was drawn into the air intake and settled on the paper air filter element.
In those circumstance, you wouldn’t want it to be a petrol tanker.
But then I’ve overtaken a petrol tanker on the motorway at night and noticed the driver had his cab interior lights on…I wondered why for a moment, then saw he had a newspaper open on the steering wheel.
GasGas:
I know of more than one instance where a truck has been damaged because the driver/passenger threw a lit fagend out of the cab window, from where it was drawn into the air intake and settled on the paper air filter element.
In those circumstance, you wouldn’t want it to be a petrol tanker.
But then I’ve overtaken a petrol tanker on the motorway at night and noticed the driver had his cab interior lights on…I wondered why for a moment, then saw he had a newspaper open on the steering wheel.
And that too happens in all walks of life, whether they hold an ADR or not. The question was about smoking in a cab with warning placards on the trailer.
It wasn’t too many years ago in Spain that most garages were attendant operated. In these times it was quite usual for the guy to stand at the pump while chomping away at a big fat cigar. Quite unnerving the first few times and i always stood well back until I got used to it.
It was only years later while seeing a demo on an ADR course that I realised I didn’t really need to be worried.
I often see people smoking in cars, that’s gotta be dangerous. After all your sat on 10/20/30 gallons of flammable liquid. Or like the Stobbies tanker driver stated “a ticking time bomb” . In fact I’m not gonna venture out anymore, what with roads littered with Molotov cocktails and dead lorry drivers who’ve flown through their windscreens 'cos they aren’t wearing their seatbelts and they’ve ■■■■■■/ sneezed/braked or whatever.
Maybe the op should have photographed the offender and complained to his company. That seems to be the usual recourse of today’s driver.
