I am not blaming Jews for anything, don’t try and twist the thing and put a fascist slant on it.
Love how you continually turn on this Galloway socialist chant.
Look at Norman Finkelstein look at Noam Chomsky. Are they anti semitic?
Don’t you read what people write ffs? I’m no more a socialist than I’m the Queen of Sheba!
I just said in the post that you quoted that the being Jewish part has hardly anything to do with it!
The Rothschild’s are Jewish, so by the laws of nepotism the rest of their little gang will be Jewish too, but that’s coincidental, they are all about making and controlling money, which gives them the power to rule the world, even the Russians and Chinese, who whether they like it or not have to trade through Rothschild controlled banks and export to and import from Rothschild controlled companies.
The Arab world doesn’t stand a chance as they obviously don’t want much to do with them, but they still want to make a few quid out of them, so instead of trade, they fund wars in the region, it makes them a fortune and as an added bonus, it allows them to retaliate without being seen to be retaliating.
Like I said, they’re very clever people and unless you’re a Muslim you do pretty good from their behind the scenes leadership. Because I believe that this is how it all works I have no political allegiance whatsoever, there’s no point as the parties will only be able to change a few things to suit their own particular agenda, the rest of what they do has already been decided for them by the people who really run things.
And for the last time, the fact that they are Jewish is totally irrelevant as far as I’m concerned, except that it gives me a label to attach to them.
I think we should stop banging our heads against a wall. No point arguing with the illogical.
newmercman:
Don’t you read what people write ffs? I’m no more a socialist than I’m the Queen of Sheba!I just said in the post that you quoted that the being Jewish part has hardly anything to do with it!
The Rothschild’s are Jewish, so by the laws of nepotism the rest of their little gang will be Jewish too, but that’s coincidental, they are all about making and controlling money, which gives them the power to rule the world, even the Russians and Chinese, who whether they like it or not have to trade through Rothschild controlled banks and export to and import from Rothschild controlled companies.
The Arab world doesn’t stand a chance as they obviously don’t want much to do with them, but they still want to make a few quid out of them, so instead of trade, they fund wars in the region, it makes them a fortune and as an added bonus, it allows them to retaliate without being seen to be retaliating.
Like I said, they’re very clever people and unless you’re a Muslim you do pretty good from their behind the scenes leadership. Because I believe that this is how it all works I have no political allegiance whatsoever, there’s no point as the parties will only be able to change a few things to suit their own particular agenda, the rest of what they do has already been decided for them by the people who really run things.
And for the last time, the fact that they are Jewish is totally irrelevant as far as I’m concerned, except that it gives me a label to attach to them.
You say that the reference to ‘Zionism’ is just a ‘label’ and is irrelevant to your theories.
But then it suddenly isn’t when you try to make the case that the so called ‘Zionists’ are the reason for the Muslims running amok chopping people up etc.Based on a conspiracy theory that ‘the Zionists’ are supposedly funding them and arming them,as away of getting back at the Muslims for being supposedly ‘anti simitic’. 
When the truth is the Arabs don’t need so called ‘Zionist’ cash to fund the Muslim cause because they’ve got more than enough of their own from their oil wealth.Mostly earn’t from stitching up the west for it’s perceived support of Israel.That’s when it isn’t getting armed to the teeth by China and Russia in large part in order to de stabilise western oil supply interests in the region.That was until the western governments decided to just sell out to the Chinese anyway.
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newmercman:
The Rothschild’s are Jewish, so by the laws of nepotism the rest of their little gang will be Jewish too, but that’s coincidental, they are all about making and controlling money, which gives them the power to rule the world, even the Russians and Chinese, who whether they like it or not have to trade through Rothschild controlled banks and export to and import from Rothschild controlled companies.The Arab world doesn’t stand a chance as they obviously don’t want much to do with them, but they still want to make a few quid out of them, so instead of trade, they fund wars in the region, it makes them a fortune and as an added bonus, it allows them to retaliate without being seen to be retaliating…
The Arab word doesn’t stand a chance because the (zionists-sic) do not wish to have much to do with them, and by your assertions control the main banking system and much of the world.
Ok. A hell of a lot of trade is carried out with the middle east. It’s down to a basic thing, you buy something that you want that someone offers. What is tradeable in the middle east? Fossil fuel. Pretty much it. Saudi Arabia was a tract of dirt until the American’s formed Aramco which was devolved to local ownership. But beyond that not a lot. That’s no one’s fault but there’s. It’s arguable capitalism vision saw the fruition of this oil.
The middle east muslim head countries have had stacks of cash to invest in education. Where I am based the locals do not wish to work. Far too rich off family oil revenues and no desire to even clean their own cars, they get enslaved Pakistanis to do it for them. The King is concerned that there is no export/trade value in the country other than oil. Tourism? Forget that. I know this pops your balloon that the poor Muslims countries are hard done by from the Zionist empire due to lack of trade but it doesn’t stack up. The cross capita trade values between the USA and oil producing middle east are collossal.
You mention the Rothschild’s quite a lot. What are you really dissenting against? Capitalism? If you had said that then I would have a discussion as I would agree with you there. Unchecked capitalism can be a virulent out of control mistress. As for the Rothschilds controlling the earth. That does not even touching the sides. They don’t control the earth or social systems.
Look, it’s well known the CIA went through a spell from the vietnam war though to fairly recent - very recent history - setting up what were called “proprietary companies”. These were (sometimes huge) shady and vague front companies that assisted the CIA in executing and assisting the means to further their agenda hidden behind a totally inoquous company header. A mighty mighty part was in aviation. Companies such as Air America, Pacific Corporation, Continental air services, Inter mountain Aviation. A lot are still going, one has just gone bust- Evergreen.
Some are still going such as Southern Air. I work with some ex Southern air guys, Many have worked for these shady front airline contractors that provide a letter head for a sleeping cause. But, the reality is the conspiracy is never as exciting as you think.
Any support of an overthrow of a government, failed bay of pigs invasion or running arms into a country normally has something to do with indirectly (in their belief) benefitting their own country concerned. Its not the Rothschilds behind it pulling all the strings like pinky and the brain. They’re just not powerful enough.
It’s not the CIA, it’s not SIS. Its not the Rothschild’s. None of these entities is singularly powerful enough. The reality is its just a big bloody mess with everyone vying for their own interests/fears and agendas.
Freight Dog:
The reality is its just a big bloody mess with everyone vying for their own interests/fears and agendas.
The ‘agenda’ in the case of UK immigration policy being the alliance of the socialist cause and cheap labour employment interests.
While in the case of the Islamic cause and the real motivation and reasons for China’s rise to power some of those ‘fears’ are more justified than others.
Which then leaves the small matter of EU and NATO eastward expansion and where ever increasing ( understandable ) resistance of Russia to it might lead when added to all the above.
I think it’s fair to say we have members on here with diametrically opposing views that will not agree on this issue as long as the hole in my bottom point south.
Tbh I have no idea what they have been banging on about for days, and we are still no closer to a solution, or even a decent workable idea, to the original problem.
BillyHunt:
I think it’s fair to say we have members on here with diametrically opposing views that will not agree on this issue as long as the hole in my bottom point south.
Tbh I have no idea what they have been banging on about for days, and we are still no closer to a solution, or even a decent workable idea, to the original problem.
I think its fair to say there is agreement on the West causing trouble in these Countries. The views only differ as to why ? In any case, letting them all in here in Containers does not seem to be promoting the West as saviour figures of any nature, as they’re all leaving to go back to war against “us” 
Fair point but I never entered into the discussion expecting us all to agree. It’s interesting. It’s just discussion. I’m really impressed by some of the conversations on here. Whether I agree with them or not.
Carryfast:
newmercman:
Don’t you read what people write ffs? I’m no more a socialist than I’m the Queen of Sheba!I just said in the post that you quoted that the being Jewish part has hardly anything to do with it!
The Rothschild’s are Jewish, so by the laws of nepotism the rest of their little gang will be Jewish too, but that’s coincidental, they are all about making and controlling money, which gives them the power to rule the world, even the Russians and Chinese, who whether they like it or not have to trade through Rothschild controlled banks and export to and import from Rothschild controlled companies.
The Arab world doesn’t stand a chance as they obviously don’t want much to do with them, but they still want to make a few quid out of them, so instead of trade, they fund wars in the region, it makes them a fortune and as an added bonus, it allows them to retaliate without being seen to be retaliating.
Like I said, they’re very clever people and unless you’re a Muslim you do pretty good from their behind the scenes leadership. Because I believe that this is how it all works I have no political allegiance whatsoever, there’s no point as the parties will only be able to change a few things to suit their own particular agenda, the rest of what they do has already been decided for them by the people who really run things.
And for the last time, the fact that they are Jewish is totally irrelevant as far as I’m concerned, except that it gives me a label to attach to them.
You say that the reference to ‘Zionism’ is just a ‘label’ and is irrelevant to your theories.
But then it suddenly isn’t when you try to make the case that the so called ‘Zionists’ are the reason for the Muslims running amok chopping people up etc.Based on a conspiracy theory that ‘the Zionists’ are supposedly funding them and arming them,as away of getting back at the Muslims for being supposedly ‘anti simitic’.
When the truth is the Arabs don’t need so called ‘Zionist’ cash to fund the Muslim cause because they’ve got more than enough of their own from their oil wealth.Mostly earn’t from stitching up the west for it’s perceived support of Israel.That’s when it isn’t getting armed to the teeth by China and Russia in large part in order to de stabilise western oil supply interests in the region.That was until the western governments decided to just sell out to the Chinese anyway.
It’s no secret that the Jew and the Arab are not too keen on each other, but the instability in the region is good for business.
It doesn’t matter where the money comes from, it still ends up in a Rothschild bank, it is still their property, no matter whether its a Dollar, a Euro, a Pound, a Rial, a Ruble or a Yen, it’s all theirs.
If you read what I’ve said, more than once, they don’t care about anti Semitic stuff, they are so far removed from everyday society that it doesn’t affect them one iota, but it is good for business. That is all it boils down to in the end.
So please take note of what I’m saying, I believe that religion has nothing to do with it, politics have nothing to do with it, the reason behind everything is money.
Freight Dog:
newmercman:
The Rothschild’s are Jewish, so by the laws of nepotism the rest of their little gang will be Jewish too, but that’s coincidental, they are all about making and controlling money, which gives them the power to rule the world, even the Russians and Chinese, who whether they like it or not have to trade through Rothschild controlled banks and export to and import from Rothschild controlled companies.The Arab world doesn’t stand a chance as they obviously don’t want much to do with them, but they still want to make a few quid out of them, so instead of trade, they fund wars in the region, it makes them a fortune and as an added bonus, it allows them to retaliate without being seen to be retaliating…
The Arab word doesn’t stand a chance because the (zionists-sic) do not wish to have much to do with them, and by your assertions control the main banking system and much of the world.
Ok. A hell of a lot of trade is carried out with the middle east. It’s down to a basic thing, you buy something that you want that someone offers. What is tradeable in the middle east? Fossil fuel. Pretty much it. Saudi Arabia was a tract of dirt until the American’s formed Aramco which was devolved to local ownership. But beyond that not a lot. That’s no one’s fault but there’s. It’s arguable capitalism vision saw the fruition of this oil.
The middle east muslim head countries have had stacks of cash to invest in education. Where I am based the locals do not wish to work. Far too rich off family oil revenues and no desire to even clean their own cars, they get enslaved Pakistanis to do it for them. The King is concerned that there is no export/trade value in the country other than oil. Tourism? Forget that. I know this pops your balloon that the poor Muslims countries are hard done by from the Zionist empire due to lack of trade but it doesn’t stack up. The cross capita trade values between the USA and oil producing middle east are collossal.
You mention the Rothschild’s quite a lot. What are you really dissenting against? Capitalism? If you had said that then I would have a discussion as I would agree with you there. Unchecked capitalism can be a virulent out of control mistress. As for the Rothschilds controlling the earth. That does not even touching the sides. They don’t control the earth or social systems.
Look, it’s well known the CIA went through a spell from the vietnam war though to fairly recent - very recent history - setting up what were called “proprietary companies”. These were (sometimes huge) shady and vague front companies that assisted the CIA in executing and assisting the means to further their agenda hidden behind a totally inoquous company header. A mighty mighty part was in aviation. Companies such as Air America, Pacific Corporation, Continental air services, Inter mountain Aviation. A lot are still going, one has just gone bust- Evergreen.
Some are still going such as Southern Air. I work with some ex Southern air guys, Many have worked for these shady front airline contractors that provide a letter head for a sleeping cause. But, the reality is the conspiracy is never as exciting as you think.
Any support of an overthrow of a government, failed bay of pigs invasion or running arms into a country normally has something to do with indirectly (in their belief) benefitting their own country concerned. Its not the Rothschilds behind it pulling all the strings like pinky and the brain. They’re just not powerful enough.
It’s not the CIA, it’s not SIS. Its not the Rothschild’s. None of these entities is singularly powerful enough. The reality is its just a big bloody mess with everyone vying for their own interests/fears and agendas.
It has to be somebody though, there is always one man at the top, as I said I think the driving force behind it all is money, so it makes sense to me that the man at the top is the most powerful banker in the world, hence my leaning towards the Rothschild dynasty.
My opinions are as accurate as anybody else’s as none of us KNOW what it’s all about, which is why there are opposing arguments.
As long as it continues in this way then we can maybe all learn something, but as soon as the opinions get judgmental then the whole thread will become a farce.
newmercman:
Carryfast:
newmercman:
Don’t you read what people write ffs? I’m no more a socialist than I’m the Queen of Sheba!I just said in the post that you quoted that the being Jewish part has hardly anything to do with it!
The Rothschild’s are Jewish, so by the laws of nepotism the rest of their little gang will be Jewish too, but that’s coincidental, they are all about making and controlling money, which gives them the power to rule the world, even the Russians and Chinese, who whether they like it or not have to trade through Rothschild controlled banks and export to and import from Rothschild controlled companies.
The Arab world doesn’t stand a chance as they obviously don’t want much to do with them, but they still want to make a few quid out of them, so instead of trade, they fund wars in the region, it makes them a fortune and as an added bonus, it allows them to retaliate without being seen to be retaliating.
Like I said, they’re very clever people and unless you’re a Muslim you do pretty good from their behind the scenes leadership. Because I believe that this is how it all works I have no political allegiance whatsoever, there’s no point as the parties will only be able to change a few things to suit their own particular agenda, the rest of what they do has already been decided for them by the people who really run things.
And for the last time, the fact that they are Jewish is totally irrelevant as far as I’m concerned, except that it gives me a label to attach to them.
You say that the reference to ‘Zionism’ is just a ‘label’ and is irrelevant to your theories.
But then it suddenly isn’t when you try to make the case that the so called ‘Zionists’ are the reason for the Muslims running amok chopping people up etc.Based on a conspiracy theory that ‘the Zionists’ are supposedly funding them and arming them,as away of getting back at the Muslims for being supposedly ‘anti simitic’.
When the truth is the Arabs don’t need so called ‘Zionist’ cash to fund the Muslim cause because they’ve got more than enough of their own from their oil wealth.Mostly earn’t from stitching up the west for it’s perceived support of Israel.That’s when it isn’t getting armed to the teeth by China and Russia in large part in order to de stabilise western oil supply interests in the region.That was until the western governments decided to just sell out to the Chinese anyway.
It’s no secret that the Jew and the Arab are not too keen on each other, but the instability in the region is good for business.
It doesn’t matter where the money comes from, it still ends up in a Rothschild bank, it is still their property, no matter whether its a Dollar, a Euro, a Pound, a Rial, a Ruble or a Yen, it’s all theirs.
If you read what I’ve said, more than once, they don’t care about anti Semitic stuff, they are so far removed from everyday society that it doesn’t affect them one iota, but it is good for business. That is all it boils down to in the end.
So please take note of what I’m saying, I believe that religion has nothing to do with it, politics have nothing to do with it, the reason behind everything is money.
The flaw in that idea being that the banks don’t ‘own’ the money they hold on deposit.It all belongs to other people.The banks only take a cut from the interest made on the loans and investments from money held on deposit or on transaction charges made from the money that gets moved around.Assuming that the Rothschilds have accumulated that much wealth from just that type of service then it’s obvious that it’s the depositors who are holding much more.The relevant question being who and where are the depositors.Not their bankers. Being that the money ‘owned’ by the bankers can only be the tip of the iceberg as a proportion of the type of capital required to earn it.
The idea of the banker conspiracy theories are likely to be a conspiracy in themselves in that case to act as a diversion from the real amounts of money involved and those who actually own it.It’s equally obvious in that case that it makes no difference to the banks where the money they process comes from.In which case there is no motive for the bankers to be the ones pulling the strings concerning regressive greed driven financial government policies.Hence the difference between the greed driven form of Capitalism of the Victorian era and early 20th Century,as opposed to the modern Fordist industrialised western economies of the 1950’s-early 1970’s.IE the bankers couldn’t care less just so long as they got their cut.Again it was actually the depositors and share holders who threw the spanner in the works of that system.
In which case it’s the depositors who have the most to gain in making as few of them depositing and transacting as much money as possible with the bankers.While it makes no difference to the bankers how many depositors there are because they are only interested in how much money is being deposited and transacted.Not how many depositors are doing it.
As for the big wars again it’s the depositors who have the most to gain in making sure that the economy has the least people to have to support and pay for just so long as the supply of labour is kept well ahead of demand.
Hence how a German Royal getting assassinated in 1914 ended up with Britains’ excess labour force being ordered to march slowly into the machine guns and artillery of WW1 with the head of the Bank of England at the time advising against war with Germany because of the costs to the country.It’s also why we’ve got an open door immigration policy from third world and east European countries.
As for Arab oil wealth being used to fund the Islamic nutters again that’s the depositors not the bankers.In being all about the Arab oil barons not just disliking the Jews but just about anyone else who doesn’t follow and rejects their vicious racist culture.
Which just leaves that question of who actually gained from Nixon’s and Reagan’s deals with the Chinese Communist Party.Was it the bankers or the rich depositors who profited most from the cheap labour scam.
I think your problem Carryfast is you’ve read some history books and believed what’s written in them.
I think you’d be best off watching Game of Thrones and seeing how the Iron bank in that operates.
History was written by the winners, the losers were no longer around to record their side of events.
I don’t get the whole banking thing either, I’ve read plenty of stuff about it, conspiracy theory and not, I still don’t get it though.
It appears that every country in the world is deep in debt, so who exactly are they in debt to?
If the Rothschild Dynasty own all the central banks, then it must be to them, but how does that work? If you lend someone money and attach interest and they don’t pay the amount increases with the interest rate, so there will come a time where you can only make the interest payments, the capital never gets repaid, if it goes on too long you can’t even cover the interest payments, so the bank loses surely?
Carryfast,how on earth do you find the time the post all this carp.On a 45 minute tacho break?Do you drive a lorry ?
newmercman:
History was written by the winners, the losers were no longer around to record their side of events.I don’t get the whole banking thing either, I’ve read plenty of stuff about it, conspiracy theory and not, I still don’t get it though.
It appears that every country in the world is deep in debt, so who exactly are they in debt to?
If the Rothschild Dynasty own all the central banks, then it must be to them, but how does that work? If you lend someone money and attach interest and they don’t pay the amount increases with the interest rate, so there will come a time where you can only make the interest payments, the capital never gets repaid, if it goes on too long you can’t even cover the interest payments, so the bank loses surely?
The bank only ‘loses’ when it’s in the position of defaulting borrowers ‘and’ the depositors wanting their money back and there being more default than deposits.Up to that point the banks can’t loose because they are only taking a cut from the interest earn’t by lending/investing the depositors’ money.In which case it’s also obvious that debt means money owed to depositors not money owed to the bank the bank only being an agent that brokers the deal for a cut in the returns.Which leaves the question how can the combined world debt exceed the amount of deposits held by the banks.Assuming it doesn’t then debt is being used as cover and a diversion to hide the real issue of who holds all the deposits.Those ‘deposits’ would obviously have to more than cover all the so called debt and they certainly don’t belong to the general working classes.
OK so who decided how much money GB has? Or how much it owes?
I blame Gordon Brown
Good old Gordon Brown, unelected prime minister, now how the ■■■■ did that ever happen? Oh yeah, I remember Tony Blair promised him the job if he played nicely and did what Tony told him to do.
That whole fiasco adds weight to almost every argument I’ve made so far. I don’t know where the Rothschild connection is, but Tony the phoney has definitely got somebody pulling his strings.