newmercman:
In some ways I’m quite happy with the way things are, sure there are some massive injustices in the world and people are suffering, but that’s the law of the jungle,
Mankind is a civilisation, not a law of the Jungle. Hence a rise in stuff like “fair trade”. Hence an out cry over companies paying cents for workers in the Far East making expensive designer clothes, hence an out cry from civilised people over the issue of miners, chemical workers etc…working without the protections they have ? I see a lot of people wanting fairness and not a law of a jungle ?
switchlogic:
Regarding the Rothschilds, they’re Jews. Don’t need to say anymore. Not from an Anti Semetic point, but from the point made in the OP. Its Middle Eastern Muslims flocking here for protection in the back of containers, not Jews.
It’s actually a combination of Muslims and others like Sikhs etc etc who are trying to get here not for protection but because we’ve made a better more economically prosperous society.Which they want in on.However the more third world immigration we allow in the prosperity that remains of that society will just run out sooner.While the issue of protection like prosperity is mainly a result of the backward uncivilised cultures that they’ve made for themselves.
As for the Jews that’s the opposite situation in that they know the dangers of ethnic integration and trying to share the wealth created by others.So they went home to build their own society and the difference shows.
newmercman:
In some ways I’m quite happy with the way things are, sure there are some massive injustices in the world and people are suffering, but that’s the law of the jungle,
Mankind is a civilisation, not a law of the Jungle. Hence a rise in stuff like “fair trade”. Hence an out cry over companies paying cents for workers in the Far East making expensive designer clothes, hence an out cry from civilised people over the issue of miners, chemical workers etc…working without the protections they have ? I see a lot of people wanting fairness and not a law of a jungle ?
In which case the Thatcherite system,which we’ve got now and since the 1970’s which smashed the unions and which benefits sweatshop economies like China more than us,is the last thing they’d be voting for.
switchlogic:
Regarding the Rothschilds, they’re Jews. Don’t need to say anymore. Not from an Anti Semetic point, but from the point made in the OP. Its Middle Eastern Muslims flocking here for protection in the back of containers, not Jews.
It’s actually a combination of Muslims and others like Sikhs etc etc who are trying to get here not for protection but because we’ve made a better more economically prosperous society.Which they want in on.However the more third world immigration we allow in the prosperity that remains of that society will just run out sooner.While the issue of protection like prosperity is mainly a result of the backward uncivilised cultures that they’ve made for themselves.
You speak for yourself. I’ve never seen Somalian Sikhs going to the local Mosques. Nor have i seen Kurdish Sikhs working in the local takeaways. Infact i’m sure most Sikhs (being Indian) have a perfectly legal route here.
Carryfast:
As for the Jews that’s the opposite situation in that they know the dangers of ethnic integration and trying to share the wealth created by others.So they went home to build their own society and the difference shows.
Jews are Jews. The Americans made Israel for them. The Americans back them. They never went home in the sense that thats where they came from, they went home in a Historical sense. Like me, claiming a part of the Congo rainforest as we all came from there originally?
Only thing is, DNA may put my ancestors in Africa, does it put Jews in the land thats now Israel ? Doubt it.
newmercman:
In some ways I’m quite happy with the way things are, sure there are some massive injustices in the world and people are suffering, but that’s the law of the jungle,
Mankind is a civilisation, not a law of the Jungle. Hence a rise in stuff like “fair trade”. Hence an out cry over companies paying cents for workers in the Far East making expensive designer clothes, hence an out cry from civilised people over the issue of miners, chemical workers etc…working without the protections they have ? I see a lot of people wanting fairness and not a law of a jungle ?
In which case the Thatcherite system,which we’ve got now and since the 1970’s which smashed the unions and which benefits sweatshop economies like China more than us,is the last thing they’d be voting for.
Well thats the way the vote has gone? Everybody has assumed that “Labour” meant working class, and “Conservative” was more ‘Buisness’ focussed ? Now what do we have ? Of course what i said above is correct. And we also know now that the difference between Labour and Conservative is only a sentence or two. Its like telling someone…“i’m going to punch you now, you want a hard punch or a soft punch”? When really you’re looking for an option that says…“you don’t have to take a punch”. And thats what we’ve not been offered.
switchlogic:
Regarding the Rothschilds, they’re Jews. Don’t need to say anymore. Not from an Anti Semetic point, but from the point made in the OP. Its Middle Eastern Muslims flocking here for protection in the back of containers, not Jews.
It’s actually a combination of Muslims and others like Sikhs etc etc who are trying to get here not for protection but because we’ve made a better more economically prosperous society.Which they want in on.However the more third world immigration we allow in the prosperity that remains of that society will just run out sooner.While the issue of protection like prosperity is mainly a result of the backward uncivilised cultures that they’ve made for themselves.
You speak for yourself. I’ve never seen Somalian Sikhs going to the local Mosques. Nor have i seen Kurdish Sikhs working in the local takeaways. Infact i’m sure most Sikhs (being Indian) have a perfectly legal route here.
Carryfast:
As for the Jews that’s the opposite situation in that they know the dangers of ethnic integration and trying to share the wealth created by others.So they went home to build their own society and the difference shows.
Jews are Jews. The Americans made Israel for them. The Americans back them. They never went home in the sense that thats where they came from, they went home in a Historical sense. Like me, claiming a part of the Congo rainforest as we all came from there originally?
Only thing is, DNA may put my ancestors in Africa, does it put Jews in the land thats now Israel ? Doubt it.
Actually Mike the Jews were in what is now Israel for two thousand years before anyone else.
If as NMM alludes (I think) that the “Zionists” are really in control, they haven’t yet been able to totally deal with their greatest threat - Iran.
bazza123:
Actually Mike the Jews were in what is now Israel for two thousand years before anyone else.
If as NMM alludes (I think) that the “Zionists” are really in control, they haven’t yet been able to totally deal with their greatest threat - Iran.
I’ve no idea what NMM thinks or alludes, once he mentioned " Zionist " i sort of switched off !!
If its the case (which i doubt) that Jews where in what is now Israel for two thousand years before anyone else, then what happened? All the Muslims thought , hey!! god or his son was born here, we’ll have a bit of that, lets call him allah, and chase off the jews !! Or was there loads of different people there and the jews thought (as the rest of them do) we’re the right ones its our home land ?
Bottom line is, Americans (which for the most part are Europeans residing in America) are telling Arabs in their homelands that a part of it belongs to Jews as an Ancestral homeland ?
Hey !! When Israel was created the native Americans (the Indians) must have thought here we go boys, they have got a concsience, looks like we’ll get our land back too ? Never happened though.
Israel may well be a Jewish state amongst the Muslim countries, but many will actually see it as an American state in the middle of Muslim Countries. And thats what it is. I’m not saying if its good or bad, but that is what it actually is. Lets not mess about with “thousands of years ago”.
Zionist, Bilderberg, Rothschild, Rockefeller, Morgan, whatever name you wish to use, it’s all the same.
The threat to Israel from Iran, that’s all it’s been so far, a threat. Sure there won’t be any candles lit for Chanukah in Teheran, but the Iranians haven’t done much have they? Dear old Saddam was supposed to have had Scuds pointed at Tel Aviv, even though he was trying to overcome Kuwait, well the media reported that he did anyway, so it must be true.
Now I know there are laws against religious persecution pertaining to all religions, but anti semetic stuff does appear to be taken more seriously than any other.
All explainable when you think that the bods at the top of the food chain have a connection to, or are on the payroll of Nathan and his gang.
As to the law of the jungle, maybe I’m over simplifying it, but in essence that’s what it is, the strong take control, today they take control of money and not land, as proven by all the wars of the last few centuries, no land has actually been conquered. A notable exception being the failed attempt on The Falklands, but as I said before, I’m sure there’s a lot more to that than meets the eye.
newmercman:
Zionist, Bilderberg, Rothschild, Rockefeller, Morgan, whatever name you wish to use, it’s all the same.
The threat to Israel from Iran, that’s all it’s been so far, a threat. Sure there won’t be any candles lit for Chanukah in Teheran, but the Iranians haven’t done much have they? Dear old Saddam was supposed to have had Scuds pointed at Tel Aviv, even though he was trying to overcome Kuwait, well the media reported that he did anyway, so it must be true.
Now I know there are laws against religious persecution pertaining to all religions, but anti semetic stuff does appear to be taken more seriously than any other.
All explainable when you think that the bods at the top of the food chain have a connection to, or are on the payroll of Nathan and his gang.
As to the law of the jungle, maybe I’m over simplifying it, but in essence that’s what it is, the strong take control, today they take control of money and not land, as proven by all the wars of the last few centuries, no land has actually been conquered. A notable exception being the failed attempt on The Falklands, but as I said before, I’m sure there’s a lot more to that than meets the eye.
The ‘threat’ to Israel from its neighbours has been shown form the start.The only thing stopping Iran or the other Arab states from wiping the place out was/is the IDF.As for the so called ‘help’ provided by ‘America’ to set up the State of Israel this is the reality.
wired4smoke:
So you turn up with a bible and a gun
Thats the desription of an American. “In God We Trust” !!
Like they did in France in 1944.
As for the Jewish nation their ‘God’ seems to be a lot more civilised than the one who their neighbours worship and seems to have done a good enough job in looking after them so far at least since 1948.
I don’t think their main motivation is their faith anyway, it’s pure greed, obviously they won’t sit back and watch their homeland get attacked. And because of they way they can manipulate things, they even make a few quid out of doing so. Kerrrrching…
That’s why I think there’s a strong possibility that they fund their enemies, it’s good for business…
There’s only 1 god looking after Israel and that’s the United States of America. And since you mention civilised and Jewish nation we need to educate you Carryfast. As you seem to run away with the idea that you know plenty.
Israel is not a nation, it’s a state. And in the said state there not all Jews so that doesn’t make it a Jewish nation now does it now.
Now on to the civilised bit. What civilised state would hold people in an open air prison and put them on a calorie controlled diet?
These are just a few points, but in your short sentence above you come across slightly polarised in your views.
No doubt like you do with most of your posts you will come back and say your right and I’m wrong. You don’t seem very willing to open your mind and see beyond the rhetoric.
newmercman:
I don’t think their main motivation is their faith anyway, it’s pure greed, obviously they won’t sit back and watch their homeland get attacked. And because of they way they can manipulate things, they even make a few quid out of doing so. Kerrrrching…
That’s why I think there’s a strong possibility that they fund their enemies, it’s good for business…
Which by your logic would mean that the Israelis paid the Russians to arm the Arabs to the point where it was more a case of luck than judgement that the Arabs didn’t succeed in wiping them out.
Meanwhile ISIS etc are supposedly stomping around in the desert chopping people up for fun armed with loads of Israeli hardware.
When the fact is the Muslims are either united in war with Israel or fighting each other when they aren’t.In this case ISIS etc being funded by Arab oil money earn’t from being allowed to hold the west to ransom for it’s ‘perceived’ help to Israel.Instead of us joining the Israelis in finishing off the Arab problem for once and for all.At which point it’s a fair bet that the fabric of British society would be torn apart by the reality of it’s immigration problem and the socialist cause within.
wired4smoke:
There’s only 1 god looking after Israel and that’s the United States of America. And since you mention civilised and Jewish nation we need to educate you Carryfast. As you seem to run away with the idea that you know plenty.
Israel is not a nation, it’s a state. And in the said state there not all Jews so that doesn’t make it a Jewish nation now does it now.
Now on to the civilised bit. What civilised state would hold people in an open air prison and put them on a calorie controlled diet?
These are just a few points, but in your short sentence above you come across slightly polarised in your views.
No doubt like you do with most of your posts you will come back and say your right and I’m wrong. You don’t seem very willing to open your mind and see beyond the rhetoric.
No New York is a ‘State’ Israel is definitely a nation made of a massive Jewish majority just as it was/is supposed to be since at least 1948 and arguably long before depending on point of view.Although not surprisingly that is an inconvenient fact for the world’s socialists,who want to see the Arabs and the Muslim cause succeed in wiping it out.
wired4smoke:
Definitely is not cutting with me.
It’s a man made state made up by the rich from all over the world. How is that a nation?
That’s at least obviously how Galloway and his selectively racist when it suits them socialist and Muslim supporters see it.While obviously nothing has changed in the mindset of many Brits since 1945-48.
wired4smoke:
Definitely is not cutting with me.
It’s a man made state made up by the rich from all over the world. How is that a nation?
I’m with you on this, I don’t think the Israel part of the equation is the important part, except that it is the ultimate old school tie group.
They are a very clever bunch, most of the quality of life improvements we’ve seen are partly due to their management and investment strategies.
However they don’t actually do for the greater good, it’s purely self serving, which when you look at the way the wealth is distributed throughout the world, it’s clear to all that any nation that has anti semitic feelings, namely the Muslim lands, doesn’t prosper quite as much as those that embrace Israel. Even so, that’s only a bonus to them, it’s all about the money…
wired4smoke:
Definitely is not cutting with me.
It’s a man made state made up by the rich from all over the world. How is that a nation?
I’m with you on this, I don’t think the Israel part of the equation is the important part, except that it is the ultimate old school tie group.
They are a very clever bunch, most of the quality of life improvements we’ve seen are partly due to their management and investment strategies.
However they don’t actually do for the greater good, it’s purely self serving, which when you look at the way the wealth is distributed throughout the world, it’s clear to all that any nation that has anti semitic feelings, namely the Muslim lands, doesn’t prosper quite as much as those that embrace Israel. Even so, that’s only a bonus to them, it’s all about the money…
By that logic Germany did best out of the post war rebuilding of Europe in large part with American money.So you’re saying that the so called US Zionist conspiracy rewarded Germany for wiping out 6 million of it’s people.While also trying to stop American Jews and American hardware being shipped out to help the Jewish cause in Israel.While the Zionist British government got on with shooting Israelis and trying to stop them at the other end of their journey in support of the Arab cause.In which case Israel’s biggest enemy is its own people.I’d guess that Galloway and his socialist supporters might believe it.
Meanwhile it seems like you’ve bought into the typical socialist ideology of if in doubt just blame the Jews for everything.While even more unbelievably seeming to be saying that the Muslim cause is not a problem for the world.Yet again that all seems like it is from the Galloway socialist ideology of foreign affairs and logic.
