You know it’s the truth don’t ya, as I said didn’t have much to do with it he kinda landed that way, I think I said in an earlier thread that the copper told me that if the fella wanted to push it I could have been done for unlawful detention or assault. The coppers also wouldn’t call them illegal anything, they were ‘alledged’, and ‘what you believed to be’, ‘technically they haven’t broken the law’, worded perfectly as not to allow me to take a prosicution against the fella.
The way I see it we are confusing 2 issues here.
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World politics, that means people are so desperate to leave either grinding poverty or war in search of a better life, they will put up with conditions we can’t even imagine, to get to the UK because they’ve been told they can earn more in a week than they can ever imagine and because they speak English it will be easy to find such work. What they don’t understand is that they have been sold a lie by the traffickers who they’ll have to pay for the rest of their lives.
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A Government who seem incapable of stopping the flow of immigrants and have the right wing press baying for blood. So in an attempt to show they are dealing with the problem they blame the easiest target, the hauliers. Instead of finding getting to grips finding the people who are making money out of these peoples misery and putting truck drivers’ livelihoods and lives at risk.
Therefore I don’t blame people for trying to get here, its human nature and any campaign that makes them the scapegoat is pointless as it won’t change a thing, but Governments like it because it diverts attention from their inadequate attempts to find a solution to the problem.
Effective campaigns will target the Government, because they can decide how money is used to stop illegal immigration
got called a A@@@ went fishing got the king 
as for my experience i let the wife park the car going forward usually ok but reverse just cant get the hang of it 
next time you post if you could make sure its inthe relevant forum in the first place you wont have to reply to A@@@@ ) and in 1984 i was getting shot at by the bhoys (sorry part of a police action )
Monk you really need to stop playing with youself that way people will not call you a ■■■■ r,brum in the next then years will in terms of the WHITE population wil.become the minority,ie ■■■■■■■■■ Brum will be the first city in the UK were the white person will be a minority.
froggy i take it you aint been to london /leeds in the last 15 years
froggy:
Monk you really need to stop playing with youself that way people will not call you a [zb] r,brum in the next then years will in terms of the WHITE population wil.become the minority,ie [zb] Brum will be the first city in the UK were the white person will be a minority.
Froggy,It will be a lot quicker than that, unless we get the Liberal,Tory and Labour traitors out of office. 
dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/vie … to-Britain
Have returned to work this week, it’s surprised me how difficult it’s been, I was having forty second winks in no time at all. Anyway I arrived home on Friday night to find my In box full of emails from The TGWU, URTU, Trade Mags and web sites asking to talk, two very large Pan European companies offering help and support. Kent Police have sent me figures of Illegal Immigrants that have been arrested and detained in the different regions of Kent, in one year nearly 1500 people caught, but these weren’t caught on trucks, they could not provide that info. I am pleased to see that amount of response coming in.
I dont understand why, as you alledge that you were injured by illegal immigrants yet the police wont prosecute them.
I also have heard all the stories over the years about illegals and drivers getting stabbed in Calais and Jabbeke.
Anyone who parks there wants a check up from the neck up anyway. The warnings are everywhere,
I think your original post was ignored cos we had heard it all before. I think this one has attracted attention because of your pompous arrogant attitude to someone who doesnt say what you want them to.
Chrisy Boy was probably right in going off to play hindu seek 
The Government will help you by sending David Blunkett to have a look at the problem
Wheelnut. Thanks for the imput, If I strike you as pompous and arrogant I apollogise, it’s not my way I just say it as I see it, with the help of a lot of people, most of which are not linked to this forum, things are getting said in important places. It would seem that I’m not the only person who feels this way, I’ve just read the Daily Express article from Wed 5th Sept and the problem is not just in Calais it’s spreading along to Cherboug and on to Ireland as well.
www.dailyexpress.co/post/view/18309/mig … to-Britain
Unfortunately I can not please every one, I didn’t for one momement think I could, and I have received a lot of comments like yours and while they do hit home, I’m going to continue asking for help because I’ve had more possitive than negative comments across the board. I am sorry to have upset you so much that you needed to air you grievence in this way.
Kingfisher,glad to see your getting plenty of input ok not from this thread but hey APATHY is the biggest enemy of this country,ive no-doubt others think im pompous and arrogant too 
but i also speak as i find actally im more out-spoken in real-life and i aint afraid of falling foul of anyone,just a shame that too many people are prepared to be ‘nodding dogs’,anyway Good Luck with your campaign 
chrisyboy, I know where you’re coming from, although I bet you must get fed up of people misquoting you. Like you I have also got an uncanny knack of speaking my mind usually to my own detriment, and if that is deemed arrogant or pompous I am sorry but that’s just me, I also believe this industry is full of people like us perhaps that’s why I like it, I do enjoy a good argument…
I dont understand why, as you alledge that you were injured by illegal immigrants yet the police wont prosecute them.
the way i read it he was jumping out of the trailer and landed on kingfisher = no intent to cause harm.
kingfisher then grabbed him and injured himself trying to hold on to him, at no point has kingfisher said the guy attacked him = no intent
trying to smuggle yourself into the country to seek asylum isn’t illegal
i cant see what the police are going to prosecute him for.
biggusdickusgb, mate, your spot on with the first part, he did land on top of me, I was injured by this, the fella didn’t intend to injure me.
The second bit you are wrong… the Immigration Act 1971 says that a Clandestine Entrant is a person who:- Enters the United Kingdom by clandestine methods…enter without leave… willingly evades controls… and absconds… They also entered without any forms of I.D or false Passports. All of these things make them illegal immigrants.
fair do’s kingfisher, the point i’m trying to make is that at no point did he try to harm you.
he was jumping out of the trailer and unfortunately landed on you
the short version is:- Dec 14th I open the doors the first two legged it and the third one landed on top of me, didn’t have much choice so I hung on to him, as this was going on the ligiments and cartilege in my right knee tore, required an operation to repair, good news is back to work tomorrow
in your own words they were legging it but you grabbed one and tried to hold on to him and in the struggle injured yourself
didn’t have much choice about what?
why did you try to hold on to him if they were legging it?
i’m not trying to have a dig at you, i’m glad you’re back at work and hopefully recovered with no long lasting niggles but if you’d let them leg it you wouldn’t have hurt yourself
biggusdickusgb:
the short version is:- Dec 14th I open the doors the first two legged it and the third one landed on top of me, didn’t have much choice so I hung on to him, as this was going on the ligiments and cartilege in my right knee tore, required an operation to repair, good news is back to work tomorrow
in your own words they were legging it but you grabbed one and tried to hold on to him and in the struggle injured yourself
didn’t have much choice about what?
why did you try to hold on to him if they were legging it?
i’m not trying to have a dig at you, i’m glad you’re back at work and hopefully recovered with no long lasting niggles but if you’d let them leg it you wouldn’t have hurt yourself
As I said in the first part of the quote, he landed on top of me, so I suppose it was part reaction and then hold on anyway. by this time my knee had already gone, he was slower out of the trl than the others and I was still recovering from them coming out when he landed on me, I believe he did not intend to harm me, and I never felt threatened by him.
Thanks for your comments about my recovery. I’m not so far having any problems except trying to stay awake, I’ll have to get road fit again
Kingfisher60:
The second bit you are wrong… the Immigration Act 1971 says that a Clandestine Entrant is a person who:- Enters the United Kingdom by clandestine methods…enter without leave… willingly evades controls… and absconds… They also entered without any forms of I.D or false Passports. All of these things make them illegal immigrants.
Although this Quote is correct, you were not in the UK so it would not be applicable…French law says if they are not applying for asylum they should leave the schengen countries…They were trying to do that. the only offence was unlawful entry into your vehicle, and if applicable, criminal damage.
I am on your side in this but you have to understand that the problem is not just a UK problem, but a world wide problem, and all the time the UK want to be completely independent and not join the schengen countries we will never be able to resolve it, and Europe’s only responsibility will be to the schengen countries and will not serve our interests
Long read
I sort of understand the shengen agreement, I know that the UK isn’t signed up to it and I understand that the migrants should leave the shengen agreed countries, I believe they’re supposed to leave via the country they entered, I have been led to believe that they’ve broken the European Law by entering the EU without leave to enter. The laws I was talking about are UK laws i.e the Immigration Act 1971, ‘‘Subsection (1) defines a clandestine entrant as someone who evades or attempts to evade immigration control, or claims or intends to claim asylum having (a) arrived in the United Kingdom having concealed himself in a vehicle, ship or aircraft; or (b) gone through or tried to go through immigration control concealed in a vehicle; or (c) arrived in the United Kingdom having embarked on a ship or aircraft outside the United Kingdom concealed in a vehicle
1996 Act
34 Defences to claim that penalty is due under section 32 (1) This section applies if it is alleged that a person (“the carrier”) is liable to a penalty under section 32.
(2) It is a defence for the carrier to show that he, or an employee of his who was directly responsible for allowing the clandestine entrant to be concealed, was acting under duress.
(3) It is also a defence for the carrier to show that–
(a) he did not know, and had no reasonable grounds for suspecting, that a clandestine entrant was, or might be, concealed in the transporter;
(b) an effective system for preventing the carriage of clandestine entrants was in operation in relation to the transporter; and
(c) that on the occasion in question the person or persons responsible for operating that system did so properly.
(4) In determining, for the purposes of this section, whether a particular system is effective, regard is to be had to the code of practice issued by the Secretary of State under section 33.
(5) If there are two or more persons responsible for a clandestine entrant, the fact that one or more of them has a defence under subsection (3) does not affect the liability of the others.
(6) But if a person responsible for a clandestine entrant has a defence under subsection (2), the liability of any other person responsible for that entrant is discharged.’’
All of the above most drivers carry out, but still under different sections of this law we and the owners of the vehicle are liable to pay charges for having clandestine entrants on thier vehicles, basically you can’t win, and it’s constantly changing it’s under review at the momement.
1 of my work mates on the 17/11/08 shipped in on sea france from calais he had drove up from macon that day and stopped at sommersouse for a 45 min break and ids calais for fuel right next to the resterant! he then carried on to the docks he had a tautliner on and he got through calais no problem shipped acrose and he had noticed the driver next to him was staying in the truck!! on his arrival in dover he was stopped bye custems and then told to go on the bay were they found 2 people on board his trailer he is now worryed to what will happen to him can any one help out on this please if he needs a soliciter or legal advice this would be very gratfull 
Dava:
1 of my work mates on the 17/11/08 shipped in on sea france from calais he had drove up from macon that day and stopped at sommersouse for a 45 min break and ids calais for fuel right next to the resterant! he then carried on to the docks he had a tautliner on and he got through calais no problem shipped acrose and he had noticed the driver next to him was staying in the truck!! on his arrival in dover he was stopped bye custems and then told to go on the bay were they found 2 people on board his trailer he is now worryed to what will happen to him can any one help out on this please if he needs a soliciter or legal advice this would be very gratfull
Nothing should happen to the driver unless he brought them in. The immigrants are wandering around the terminal and ferryport inside the perimeter fence.
Well, Kingfisher, I don’t have any stories of injuries, but I wish you well in your quest to get us justice. Thus speaketh a driver with a blood/diesel ration of about 40/60 
Yes, some people try and get into the UK, and a lot of them are plain desperate enough to use violence on occasion, though I’ve never seen it happen.
Keep up the good work.