Idiots coupling mistake ruins my unit and our day

scaniason:
Being new at this, I’m probably still being very ■■■■ about hooking-up and uncoupling. When I hook up, I back up to near it, lower the suspension, go under gently, get out and check that the 5th wheel is under, stand at the side and raise the suspension, then back under slowly until I hear the click, and do 2 or 3 tug tests. Then get out and check the locking bar with a torch, before going round and doing the clip, lines, legs, number plate, and settling the suspension back to normal. It takes a minute or 2 longer maybe than just slamming under, but I think I’ll stick to this way, cos I know if I change my routine the ■■■■-up fairy will pay me a visit :cry:

Gary

Nowt wrong with all that mate, stick at it.

I still do it and I reckon that’s why I’ve yet to miss a pin…a bit ■■■■ yes, but it works. A little care and taking a few minutes longer can save a hell of a lot of money for the gaffer…

Truckulent:

scaniason:
Being new at this, I’m probably still being very ■■■■ about hooking-up and uncoupling. When I hook up, I back up to near it, lower the suspension, go under gently, get out and check that the 5th wheel is under, stand at the side and raise the suspension, then back under slowly until I hear the click, and do 2 or 3 tug tests. Then get out and check the locking bar with a torch, before going round and doing the clip, lines, legs, number plate, and settling the suspension back to normal. It takes a minute or 2 longer maybe than just slamming under, but I think I’ll stick to this way, cos I know if I change my routine the ■■■■-up fairy will pay me a visit :cry:

Gary

Nowt wrong with all that mate, stick at it.

I still do it and I reckon that’s why I’ve yet to miss a pin…a bit ■■■■ yes, but it works. A little care and taking a few minutes longer can save a hell of a lot of money for the gaffer…

Yep spot on, and by doing it like this the admittedly rare occurence of the 5th wheel locking whilst the king pin is sitting on and not in the jaws will never happen, with all the chaos and tragedy that could so easily accompany it.

Frankydobo:
A portion of blame must go to the guy that dropped the trailer, which was obviously too high anyway. A driver should be able to back up to the trailer bedplate and feel it touch the fifth wheel or runup ramps, lower suspension and back further under, lift up trailer on suspension and back all the way under. Shouldn’t need to get out the cab if its been dropped properly. In these days of air suspension dropping and picking up trailers should be no problem and damage like this can be avoided in the first place if the trailer is dropped correctly!

I disagree. Once a trailer has been dropped then that’s when his couple/uncouple procedure ends and the other begins. Granted, it can be dropped to make it awkward for the next driver but still no way can any portion of blame be brought to the driver that has dropped a trailer.

Also, there is no way I would reverse up to a trailer and let it skid up the run up ramps and then scratch the crap out of the mud guards whilst scraping all the grease off the fifth and into the lip of the trailer <<<<<< this is lazy in my opinion.
I dump the air out if the unit back under with out touching anything, then raise it up and back into the pin… My suzies are clean, there is no grease on the lip, there are no big balls of grease on the catwalk and my mud guards are un scratched.

Quinny:
My Cab■■?

Do you own it?

Then if not, it ain’t yours and if a substitute vehicle was provided by your employer to do the job that they pay you for, then live with it.

And remember, not all staff drivers are angels either when it comes to damaging vehicles.

Ken.

Am I right in assuming you’re an agency driver?

yep got to aggre with farnboroughboy thats the way to do it if you work for reed bordall or k & j logistics thats the way they expect it to be done as is explaned when you do your assesment .also its the responsability of the driver picking up the trailor to see he gets under his trailor ok if you picking up dock trailors and start moaning at the tuggies youl get an earfull .they seem to drop them low rather than high though so best you dont hit the trailor with the fith wheel seen that done before .

merc0447:
We had a belter last week but this agency guy has been with us for years which makes his actions really odd. But he went out on friday night with a heavy load from bellshill to grangemouth but he choose to go via avongorge :laughing: anyway he hit something, he did not stop to see what he hit but it caused a lot of damage to the n/s of a trailer. The alloy was bashed in which caused instant tyre failure, side impact bar bashed in, mudguard cracked, 3 curtain buckles rip off.

What is more scary?

He didn’t stop or he didn’t know what he hit or he drove from avon gorge to grangemouth with a heavy load with only 3 trailer wheels (2 axle trailer).

He told nobody, no accident form filled in. All he wrote on his trip sheet was he hit something on the A801 and he didn’t stop because of double white lines. Now like i say he was a regular and a nice guy to talk to but what happened that night was he drunk? Now if he had done it by the book stopped and reported it nothing would have been said he would just have been reassessed maybe he would have had to answer questions why he was off route. But because he just left the trailer in a mess and informed nobody, my boss went mental and really stuck the boot into the agency.

this is regular for us, but nobody reports any thing it left for the next driver to find,but it depend on if they can be arse to report it, And if the office staff can be arsed to deal with your report, boil,s your ■■■■

limeyphil:

Quinny:
My Cab■■?

Do you own it?

Then if not, it ain’t yours and if a substitute vehicle was provided by your employer to do the job that they pay you for, then live with it.

And remember, not all staff drivers are angels either when it comes to damaging vehicles.

Ken.

if someone drives a vehicle every day for an employer, he will usually refer to it as “my cab” “my truck” or “my lorry”. this is usually the type of driver that takes pride in the vehicle he drives, and the job he does.

+1, my boss even called me over the weekend to tell me he’d left a tag on my hook because he didnt want to go in the lorry as he didnt know where i’d want it, when i started was told to treat it like my own…

Working on petrol tankers, we don’t change trailers often but when we do( often in a busy yard with lots of other drivers around), we always carry out the procedure as described in previous posts. 9 times out of 10, a fellow driver will notice what you’re doing and offer to help( or we ask eachother if help is needed)
On the rare occasion that we have to drop a loaded trailer( in the event of a wrecker dragging a loaded combo into the yard), that will be done with 3 people present.
You CANNOT drop a loaded petrol tanker, rather lower it gently due to the design(chassis less at the front), the replacement unit is ready at the side of it to back straight under once the wrecker has pulled the stricken unit forward.
Rocket science it is not. No-one gets hurt, no expensive equipment gets damaged & nobody gets slagged off via a forum, simples!
Daz.

I’ve come close to totally missing the pin on just one occasion,and that was because someone was talking to me as i was reversing towards the trailer and forgot the first coupling rule i was taught,stop,get out and check the trailer height before attempting to back under.

But before it got to the stage where i might have done any damage,something in my head told me something wasn’t quite right,i.e: no resistence felt as the fifth wheel slid on the trailer underside,so i stopped and then looked :blush:

The level of damage the OP described that was done as a result of not doing this most basic of checks,is quite simply unacceptable (to me anyway) and shows a total disregard for the safety of both the driver who did it and anyone else. And by this i mean if the driver had managed to connect the trailer up,i speculate that he may not have bothered to check anything else and driven off with the potential for the trailer to fall out of the fifth wheel.

I saw the results of this lazy coupling on Friday(Currie European) driver sheepishly walking back to the yard he’d left not two minutes earlier to get assistance as his trailer had come clean off the unit and was preying to mecca on it’s retracted landing legs and all the lines snapped on the road in-between both.

Luckily this happened on a relativly slow bendy section of road near where i work,i dread to think what would have happened had he managed to reach the M6 before it came off! :open_mouth:

Have to agree 100% with the posts by FarnboroughBoy, Dogsbody & Truckulent.
I really can’t see any problem in doing the job PROPERLY. When I started in the haulage industry, artics were a new adventure in the family-run company that I worked for, therefore we were feeling our way in terms of finding the best, safest & most efficient method of coupling, loading & driving these new beasts. Nowadays, experience has decided which methods are best and new drivers are taught the accepted method of coupling almost before they take an artic on the road.
Scaniason, in my opinion, has the makings of a “proper” driver, providing he doesn’t feel the need to cut corners later in his career. Some drivers drop & pick up trailers so frequently that the temptation to cut a corner or two is always present: who prefers to sit in a nice warm cab for an extra minute rather than gety out into a freezing, wet & windy winter storm to check a trailer pin?
Keep it up, Scaniason, you are doing the job properly. No-one should criticise you for that.

Maybe some idiot shouldnt have left the trailer so high that the table could slide under the king pin!

And why not drop the tractor suspension then pull the tractor out instead of using fork trucks?

And how the hell did it bend the legs without smashing the tractor unit light cklusters?

Pair off iso sockets and a c coupling maybe 100 quid and an hour to fix so what.Where I work they put the fridge donkey through the back of the tractor.Now thats what you call damage!

What the hell has low supply pressure got to do with standard suspension height? and why raise the truck suspension when your dropping a trailer what a bloody good idea maybe the next bloke might slide under the pin oh dear never thought of that but then again ive buggered off home so it cant be my fault can it?Drop the trailer at standard running height or a bit lower then NOBODY misses the pin.Bit of thought goes a looong way,

Easy to blame somebody when they bugger it up because you got it wrong in the first place but had already left the scene of the crime.

well in 30yrs of driving i,ve never shot the pin in my 7.5 tonner. :slight_smile: :slight_smile: :slight_smile:

Bet you came close though, browncow!

An Actros has alot more lift in the suspension than a DAF,sometimes trailers need wound down on legs if the suspension is fully raised and still cant catch the pin,ive missed it before,no ones perfect,but i now just start lifting the suspension as i reverse under the trailer and if i dont feel them mate,or see the trailer move a little as i slide under then its time for a look,easy but slowly wound down in low gear,theres alot of movement in a 5th wheel when it goes under a trailer and if you push the handle down towards the chassis the front of the plate will fall down and forward a bit,along with that and a lowered suspension it should help you out when you miss the pin to get the unit back out,sometimes it needs held down and you will need a hand as you drive out. A windkit and air line gear can be damaged if hit while missing the pin,i know from experience.

All this talk of “feeling” the plate slide under the trailer, or watching for movement of the trailer to confirm the height is correct in order to avoid having to get out and look is all well and good. But how do you check that the trailer park brake has been applied without getting out of the cab? :wink:

FarnboroughBoy11:

Frankydobo:
A portion of blame must go to the guy that dropped the trailer, which was obviously too high anyway. A driver should be able to back up to the trailer bedplate and feel it touch the fifth wheel or runup ramps, lower suspension and back further under, lift up trailer on suspension and back all the way under. Shouldn’t need to get out the cab if its been dropped properly. In these days of air suspension dropping and picking up trailers should be no problem and damage like this can be avoided in the first place if the trailer is dropped correctly!

I disagree. Once a trailer has been dropped then that’s when his couple/uncouple procedure ends and the other begins. Granted, it can be dropped to make it awkward for the next driver but still no way can any portion of blame be brought to the driver that has dropped a trailer.

Also, there is no way I would reverse up to a trailer and let it skid up the run up ramps and then scratch the crap out of the mud guards whilst scraping all the grease off the fifth and into the lip of the trailer <<<<<< this is lazy in my opinion.
I dump the air out if the unit back under with out touching anything, then raise it up and back into the pin… My suzies are clean, there is no grease on the lip, there are no big balls of grease on the catwalk and my mud guards are un scratched.

+1

I think some misunderstood me, I didn’t say don’t get out of the cab to check, what I was getting at was the bloke dropping a trailer has as much responsibility to do it right as the bloke picking it up, in other words have a thought for whoever might connect to the trailer after you. In the old steel suspension days you would have been told in no uncertain manner if you had dropped a trailer too high so the next guy had to wind down the legs on a fully loaded trailer to hook up.

Today with air the job should be easier and it shouldn’t matter if the suspension drops slightly over time, the amount of lift and lower on air should cater for it and surely the driver when coming to collect the trailer should see any height difference anyway! Don’t know what all that claptrap was about grease being pushed onto the catwalk and damaging the wings, I didn’t do that with steel suspension so hardly likely to do it with air if done as I described, which was the same as others have said. Obviously its a different game today where blokes don’t give a monkeys about each other and are only too quick to run to the office and tell tales!

Frankydobo:
I think some misunderstood me, I didn’t say don’t get out of the cab to check, what I was getting at was the bloke dropping a trailer has as much responsibility to do it right as the bloke picking it up, in other words have a thought for whoever might connect to the trailer after you. In the old steel suspension days you would have been told in no uncertain manner if you had dropped a trailer too high so the next guy had to wind down the legs on a fully loaded trailer to hook up.

Today with air the job should be easier and it shouldn’t matter if the suspension drops slightly over time, the amount of lift and lower on air should cater for it and surely the driver when coming to collect the trailer should see any height difference anyway! Don’t know what all that claptrap was about grease being pushed onto the catwalk and damaging the wings, I didn’t do that with steel suspension so hardly likely to do it with air if done as I described, which was the same as others have said. Obviously its a different game today where blokes don’t give a monkeys about each other and are only too quick to run to the office and tell tales!

Agree with you, its normal courtesy to drop the trailer sensibly, on as reasonable ground as possible and at a height that takes into account the height of the tractor being used to drop the thing.

You’re right too in that the job is infested by those who take no pride in their work…whilst amusingly describing themselves as professional drivers.

However seeing as so many who now do the job are not up to the mark, the driver picking the trailer up must assume that a blithering idiot has dropped it, much the same as a sensible driver assumes every other road user is an idiot.

I wouldn’t mind if picking a trailer up was difficult, its not but it needs a bit of effort and care, just as dropping a trailer needs a bit of care and forethought.

One can only hope that costs incurred by idiots will eventually weed them out from the job, won’t be holding me breath mind.

All we can do is make sure we cover our own arses and follow the sensible routines mentioned here by some of our proper drivers, that way WE don’t overshoot the pin or drop the things on their knees miles away at speed, if others want to do it the lazy couldn’t give a toss method let 'em, so long as the lorry owner is daft enough to keep paying for the damage and do nothing about the problem they’ll carry on doing it.

When you pull the red knob on the trailer park brake, what exactly happens? I understood that it dumps the air from the spring chamber, is that correct, or does it also apply air into the service side chamber from the tank as well? If it just dumps the air, then what does pulling the knob achieve over and above pulling the red line off? Not trying to start any arguments, just want to understand the technical side of things.

Gary

I have said this before but I will say it again

I was a agency driver 2 years ago and for the last year I have been a staff driver. So that either makes me a ■■■ driver turned pro or a previous ■■■ driver and still a ■■■ driver