Ice Vs I shift?

On thursday gone (25/11), our artic low loader got stuck on a bit of ice on a slight hill outside of our depot.

He tried a few things (Diff lock, dumping air out of axles etc), while waiting for someone to bring a bit of grit.

Anyway, when I got there, all I could smell was burning clutch ! :open_mouth:
Had a jibe about being heavy with the clutch but he said it’s on I-shift :blush: :blush:

Can some people enlighten me what/why there would be a ‘clutch burning smell’■■

I’ve not yet driven one of our other autos, so don’t know what to expect. :confused:

Goldfinger:
Can some people enlighten me what/why there would be a ‘clutch burning smell’■■

Because it has a clutch and it had been getting a bit hot. :wink:

Coffeeholic:

Goldfinger:
Can some people enlighten me what/why there would be a ‘clutch burning smell’■■

Because it has a clutch and it had been getting a bit hot. :wink:

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confucious says he who has automatic gearbox stay away from ice and snow as they do not get on too well together

them i-shift’s are suppose to like eating gearboxes and clutches according to a few o/d thats had them dont know how true it is or if it’s there driving style?

steve07:
them i-shift’s are suppose to like eating gearboxes and clutches according to a few o/d thats had them dont know how true it is or if it’s there driving style?

Probably that. I had three when I was an OD and never had a problem with them. We have 8 or 9 of them at work and no gearbox or clutch problems with any of them either.

Unfortunately for me, I was driving a 58 plate Stralis today, (I know, sad really.) and had no problem driving on the slippy stuff.

Ken.

my i-shifts done 980 000k and still original clutch.if u get stuck go into menu on dash display and disable traction control,that helps

I think you’ll find that man was missing some superior American technology. I.e a pop riveted tin box perched above a 6x4 powered by an asthmatic Detriot through a 24 speed box.

switchlogic:
I think you’ll find that man was missing some superior American technology. I.e a pop riveted tin box perched above a 6x4 powered by an asthmatic Detriot through a 24 speed box.

A bit like comparing a Saturn 5 with zb Concorde or an airbus you mean :question: . :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

Quinny:
Unfortunately for me, I was driving a 58 plate Stralis today, (I know, sad really.) and had no problem driving on the slippy stuff.

Ken.

Hey me too, just outside Redcar today auto merc though :wink: no problems with auto either, just with the numpties who thought it was a good idea to go to Whitby for the day in a blizzard that was dumping 2 inches an hour onto sheet ice and the 8 inches of snow that was already there, dumb asses :unamused: two hours to do 4 miles :cry:

Good thing about the XF 105 is you can raise the lift axle all the way up, helped no end with traction up here its deep as anything and the yard aint been ploughed since yesterday so there is 6 inches of fresh virgin snow.

Carryfast:

switchlogic:
I think you’ll find that man was missing some superior American technology. I.e a pop riveted tin box perched above a 6x4 powered by an asthmatic Detriot through a 24 speed box.

A bit like comparing a Saturn 5 with zb Concorde or an airbus you mean :question: . :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

Or if we are to compare like for like how about Boeings Dreamliner, a plane that’s years late and can barely get off the ground with the A380, the worlds biggest ever passenger plane. (don’t rattle on about engines, Boeing use Rolls Royce too!) :wink:

my 57 reg fm had i-shift & it had a new clutch at about 350000 kms.
the trouble with the i-shift is that it’s too good, i work farms & unlike the some other auto boxes wher you are either moving or your not , you can actually feather the throttle on the volvo to have proper controlled shunts just like feathering a clutch. in time this amount of hold on the gearbox will take it’s toll & eventually the clutchpacks will burn out , the first signs you will get apart from the screeching is putting it into A & the truck will lurch forward then stall.

another culprit for premature clutch wear is bad drivers letting them idle while in gear

I’m interested to aee how my auto Scania will behave in the ice and snow. In low gears it has manoeuvring mode which I reckon should do the job.

I find the auto good in snow and ice no different in fact to a manual just easier. I have heard of the i-shift causing clutch failure aswell usually on really heavy work thou.

It’s not the gearbox that causes the problems on ice and snow, it’s the drivers right foot! :smiley:

switchlogic:

Carryfast:

switchlogic:
I think you’ll find that man was missing some superior American technology. I.e a pop riveted tin box perched above a 6x4 powered by an asthmatic Detriot through a 24 speed box.

A bit like comparing a Saturn 5 with zb Concorde or an airbus you mean :question: . :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

Or if we are to compare like for like how about Boeings Dreamliner, a plane that’s years late and can barely get off the ground with the A380, the worlds biggest ever passenger plane. (don’t rattle on about engines, Boeing use Rolls Royce too!) :wink:

In the context of a 1969 Kenworth,with up to a 500 horsepower + Detroit and a 13 speed fuller in it,versus a day cab 1969 ERF with a 180 Gardner in it the comparison between Concorde and the Saturn 5 is comparing like with like :laughing: :laughing: .But the airbus is also comparing like with like depending on wether you like electric everything, and can’t drive the real thing at up to twice the speed and in that context even the retired Concorde pilots,let alone all of those who never got the chance to fly that (or a Saturn 5 :laughing: ),would probably be saying the same thing about the modern day airbus. :open_mouth: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

Carryfast:

switchlogic:

Carryfast:

switchlogic:
I think you’ll find that man was missing some superior American technology. I.e a pop riveted tin box perched above a 6x4 powered by an asthmatic Detriot through a 24 speed box.

A bit like comparing a Saturn 5 with zb Concorde or an airbus you mean :question: . :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

Or if we are to compare like for like how about Boeings Dreamliner, a plane that’s years late and can barely get off the ground with the A380, the worlds biggest ever passenger plane. (don’t rattle on about engines, Boeing use Rolls Royce too!) :wink:

In the context of a 1969 Kenworth,with up to a 500 horsepower + Detroit and a 13 speed fuller in it,versus a day cab 1969 ERF with a 180 Gardner in it the comparison between Concorde and the Saturn 5 is comparing like with like :laughing: :laughing: .But the airbus is also comparing like with like depending on wether you like electric everything, and can’t drive the real thing at up to twice the speed and in that context even the retired Concorde pilots,let alone all of those who never got the chance to fly that (or a Saturn 5 :laughing: ),would probably be saying the same thing about the modern day airbus. :open_mouth: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

here we go again… :open_mouth:

I don’t want to give advice as such, but instead I can repeat what was told to me and I have found useful

Here’s what other Finnish drivers have said to me:

Don’t go too slowly up hills or you will get stuck. Difflock / dump air sooner rather than later. You can do these things after you have got stuck, but these measures are way more effective if you’ve looked at the road ahead and set things up properly beforehand.

I’d also like to point out that proper winter tyres help a LOT.

I’ve been stuck on hills several times, but the times when it’s my own zb-king fault are getting fewer and further between these days. Sometimes it’s so slippery here that if you get stuck on a hill, the brakes won’t hold it. That’s quite a lot of motivation to keep it moving forwards :open_mouth:

I’m on I-shift’s too by the way. You’ll probably find yourself moving the lever to manual more often than in the summer, although the auto performs amazingly well.

Cheers all, interesting views…

Been to work today and bosses wouldn’t let us go out. (Out the way I mean, so we didn’t get roped into some ‘other’ job :cry: ).

Didn’t matter anyway, no where was open and hires were being cancelled as fast as the snow was falling! :frowning: