As the thread title says, I went over my daily spread a couple of days ago. I’m a little worried about it. I was unable to get home within 15 hours of beginning work because I couldn’t find a customer for a drop and I had no signal. Then once he turned up, it took longer than usual to unload. The long and short of it is that instead of taking my lorry back to the depot, I took it home as it was nearer and would take less time. But I still worked 15 hours and 50 minutes on that day. Is there anything I should do on top of getting a print out of that day and providing a brief explanation of the reason why I went over the 15 hours? It hasn’t happened before. Thanks.
There’s nothing else you can do, in the unlikely event that you get stopped you’ll probably get read the riot act.
Your company will give you an infringement but whether or not they take any other action is up-to them.
If you wasn’t prepared for a night out you should have phoned your company and asked to be picked up before running out of time, did you do that ?
Thanks. I didn’t do that because I know that I wouldn’t get any reply after 5pm.
HuoGuo:
Thanks. I didn’t do that because I know that I wouldn’t get any reply after 5pm.
Slight tangent but … What’s your company procedure on emergencies then as they have to provide contact details to keep the elfs safe[emoji1]
If you’ve no way of contacting them I’d be bringing that up if they get arsey about it. Still shouldn’t have done it but some onus on them if you can’t contact them to sort out alternative.
Next time you know what to do - head back if your getting anywhere near limit regardless of what drop you have left. If nights out are not normally done at your place( not at mine) I’d have worked out how long to get back to depot and set off no matter what I had left on, especially if no way to contact them.
They might whine a bit but they’ll be used to rearranging loads anyway and just tell them you couldn’t contact anyone and you had no hours left.
Hindsight great - but you won’t make same mistake again though .
No matter what you write on any printouts ( and I would do those as a matter of course) if your unlucky enough to get pulled at least you’ve got an explanation of sorts, if lucky you’ll get a severe warning of DVSA.
Try not to do anything else for 28 days till card clears!
dcgpx:
Try not to do anything else for 28 days till card clears!
digicard can often keep info on it for 12 months before it gets over-ridden
ROG:
dcgpx:
Try not to do anything else for 28 days till card clears!digicard can often keep info on it for 12 months before it gets over-ridden
No sleep for 12 months then, he’s gonna be Super Tired. [emoji42]
ROG:
dcgpx:
Try not to do anything else for 28 days till card clears!digicard can often keep info on it for 12 months before it gets over-ridden
In normal day to day use I think it’s about 9 months ROG. I was bored one day on break and scrolled to see how far back I could get a printout and it was around that.
SaintAndy:
ROG:
dcgpx:
Try not to do anything else for 28 days till card clears!digicard can often keep info on it for 12 months before it gets over-ridden
In normal day to day use I think it’s about 9 months ROG. I was bored one day on break and scrolled to see how far back I could get a printout and it was around that.
But it’s kept a lot longer when it’s downloaded and it in the head too .iv checked min in the past and had over a years worth on the card
It’s also related to the type of driving you do, because it’s the number of mode changes that matter. So, someone who does single-hit night trunking will have records going back much further than someone doing lots of multi-drop in traffic jams.
the correct advice has already been given.
At most this is a £100 fixed penalty but we know they can’t give a fixed penalty unless they caught you on the day - which they didn’t. So unless you have 4 or more offences in your records there’s no need to worry.
If you do get stopped - they might moan but just sit there and nod saying “yes sir no sir” etc. they like to moan.
Of course your employer may moan but they should have been there for you to call
Thank you all for your advice.
When shep532 says that you should be fine if you haven’t more than 4 offences on your records…this would mean as far as the records go back or for the last 28 days or what? Thanks.
NB Where does this 4 offences ‘rule’ come from?
HuoGuo:
Thank you all for your advice.When shep532 says that you should be fine if you haven’t more than 4 offences on your records…this would mean as far as the records go back or for the last 28 days or what? Thanks.
NB Where does this 4 offences ‘rule’ come from?
4 offences rule is on pages for insufficient breaks etc of DVSA sanctions policy
Well worth a read to get your head round what to watch out for. Not light reading but worthwhile IMO
HuoGuo:
Thank you all for your advice.When shep532 says that you should be fine if you haven’t more than 4 offences on your records…this would mean as far as the records go back or for the last 28 days or what? Thanks.
NB Where does this 4 offences ‘rule’ come from?
We are usually talking about at the roadside and at the roadside you only need to have the legally required records for the previous 28 days - so in most cases that is all we are talking about.
Of course we know the Operator must keep records for a minimum 12 months for EU Rules so there is potential of DVSA going back further than 28 days but in my experience they only do this to reinforce a prosecution for offences found at the roadside but it isn’t unknown for driver prosecutions after a DVSA company visit. For prosecutions the older the offence the less the courts will view it as a problem - mainly used to reinforce the view you are a regular law breaker.
The 4 offence rule is as published by DVSA. So at the roadside they see that yesterday you drover 4h 52m without a break and two weeks ago you drove 10h 27m in the same shift … they can’t do anything but issue a verbal warning. But if you had 4 or more offences that WOULD have been £100 or £200 penalties or ONE offence that would have been £300 or any MSI (Most serious infringement) then they can prosecute.
As has been said the Enforcement Sanctions Policy is a pretty good read in places.