Not that I have , but talking to a employed driver , he went upto 19 ph , cut to £16 ph , now after talks £13 ph , looking to leave
Reading on here I thought employed drivers pay rises were permanent ( in contract) , but listening to this kid it was temporary ,
It’s obvious that road fuel taxation is a direct tax on drivers’ wages.Higher fuel costs mean less money in the job for wages.Best hope that £3 per litre doesn’t happen because that increase can only be paid by cutting one thing because the customer isn’t going to pay for it.
Ours were permanent…but currently in pay talks and they’re playing hardball.
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dozy:
Not that I have , but talking to a employed driver , he went upto 19 ph , cut to £16 ph , now after talks £13 ph , looking to leave
Reading on here I thought employed drivers pay rises were permanent ( in contract) , but listening to this kid it was temporary ,
Employed workers pay can be lowered but only with the agreement of the employee, the employer can’t just decide to lower the pay and that’s that. You’re offered a contract with the new lower pay rate and if you don’t accept it then the employer has to make you redundant.
Conor:
dozy:
Not that I have , but talking to a employed driver , he went upto 19 ph , cut to £16 ph , now after talks £13 ph , looking to leave
Reading on here I thought employed drivers pay rises were permanent ( in contract) , but listening to this kid it was temporary ,Employed workers pay can be lowered but only with the agreement of the employee, the employer can’t just decide to lower the pay and that’s that. You’re offered a contract with the new lower pay rate and if you don’t accept it then the employer has to make you redundant.
Employees don’t have to agree to it, as any changes to a contract can be made official if the employee is given 90 days written notice.
In this case, I’d bet that either employees weren’t given a contract with the new terms, or that it was written in there somewhere that it was a temporary rate of pay to be reviewed after a period of time
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Terry Cooksey:
Conor:
dozy:
Not that I have , but talking to a employed driver , he went upto 19 ph , cut to £16 ph , now after talks £13 ph , looking to leave
Reading on here I thought employed drivers pay rises were permanent ( in contract) , but listening to this kid it was temporary ,Employed workers pay can be lowered but only with the agreement of the employee, the employer can’t just decide to lower the pay and that’s that. You’re offered a contract with the new lower pay rate and if you don’t accept it then the employer has to make you redundant.
Employees don’t have to agree to it, as any changes to a contract can be made official if the employee is given 90 days written notice.
In this case, I’d bet that either employees weren’t given a contract with the new terms, or that it was written in there somewhere that it was a temporary rate of pay to be reviewed after a period of timeSent from my SM-G973F using Tapatalk
Yes I’ve a few mates who were given a “pay rise” but when they flashed the letter at me I did point out that “uplift” may not mean permanent, and so it prov3d as it got whipped away a month ago and instead of £3ph raise they permanently retained £1ph of it.
Credit where its due though as they’ve all either walked or are walking very soon.
I`m seeing a fair bit of this when talking to drivers looking for work, looks like the “shortage” has ended, OR, they are planning for the “downturn” which is heading this way anytime soon …
Its the same for subbies who were enticed away from steady numbers with “mega bucks” day rates, they are being laid off in a few areas that I know of 
Bumpy ride coming this way, strap in & heads down 
Terry Cooksey:
Employees don’t have to agree to it, as any changes to a contract can be made official if the employee is given 90 days written notice.In this case, I’d bet that either employees weren’t given a contract with the new terms, or that it was written in there somewhere that it was a temporary rate of pay to be reviewed after a period of time
citizensadvice.org.uk/work/ … -overview/
citizensadvice.org.uk/work/ … mployment/
In the second link it states that the rate of pay is part of expressed terms. These cannot be changed without the agreement of the employee.
When you do agency work the pay can vary from placement to placement. What agencies have to do to get around that is have it in your contract with them that you’re only employed by them for the duration of the placement. Without that they can’t alter how much they pay you from client to client.
Advice from solicitors and you’ll find this is universal:
xperthr.co.uk/faq/what-proc … ay/103193/
An employer can cut employees’ pay if they consent to the change to their contracts. Employees may agree to such a change if it is clear that cuts are needed and the alternative would be redundancies.
If the employees do not consent to the cut in pay, the employer has the option of dismissing them and re-engaging them on new contracts, with the lower rate of pay. The employer will need to show that there is a genuine business need for the change, and that there has been genuine consultation with the employees with regard to the change. The employer should give the employees the required contractual notice of dismissal and then re-engage them immediately after expiry of the notice.
The termination of the original contract will be a dismissal and there is a risk that the employee may challenge the termination as unfair. The employer will rely on “some other substantial reason” under s.98(1)(b) of the Employment Rights Act 1996, as being the potentially fair reason for dismissal. The reason for making the change and the consultation process will be factors in determining the fairness of the dismissal.
If the employer is to dismiss and re-engage 20 or more employees it must follow the statutory consultation procedures for collective redundancies (this is because the relevant definition of redundancy for the purpose of collective consultation is a “dismissal for a reason not related to the individual concerned”).
Conor:
Employed workers pay can be lowered but only with the agreement of the employee, the employer can’t just decide to lower the pay and that’s that. You’re offered a contract with the new lower pay rate and if you don’t accept it then the employer has to make you redundant.
It can not be true ,it would be in the news papers after all they were telling of drivers on fantastic wages due to driver shortage .
Not honestly sure what he was told , though he did say he was told he’d started at the right time ( think he meant going upto 19 ph ) , though he did say dropping to £16 ph was only £1 ph less than he was getting when he started , so wasn’t that bothered
But not happy dropping to £13 ph
Just didn’t think they could drop employed wages , can’t remember being asked to cut wages , but was once asked to cut 50 hrs guaranteed to 45 hrs , refused and never heard any more
Carryfast:
It’s obvious that road fuel taxation is a direct tax on drivers’ wages.Higher fuel costs mean less money in the job for wages.Best hope that £3 per litre doesn’t happen because that increase can only be paid by cutting one thing because the customer isn’t going to pay for it.
Crumbs! Just when I think your ramblings can’t become any more incoherent, and off-topic, you surpass expectations… again.
What are you talking about,fuel tax has a direct effect on wages, all costs do
ETS:
Conor:
Employed workers pay can be lowered but only with the agreement of the employee, the employer can’t just decide to lower the pay and that’s that. You’re offered a contract with the new lower pay rate and if you don’t accept it then the employer has to make you redundant.
Instead of doing that how about for the first time in your life coming up with evidence what I’ve posted is wrong?
Employment laws are like most laws, if they want to be exploited by ruthless employers with very clever lawyers then they will be, after all rules are for the guidance of wisemen and the obedience of fools.
Conor:
Instead of doing that how about for the first time in your life coming up with evidence what I’ve posted is wrong?
It’s not wrong I just found it funny how you started saying like the employee had a choice but by the end of the same statement of yours it turned out he really doesn’t
ETS:
Conor:
Instead of doing that how about for the first time in your life coming up with evidence what I’ve posted is wrong?It’s not wrong I just found it funny how you started saying like the employee had a choice but by the end of the same statement of yours it turned out he really doesn’t
Yep, firm wants to lower wages it pays out, staff don’t agree, firm makes workforce redundant, employs new workers with different terms and conditions which includes the lower rate of pay. Job done, but not the P&O way with no consultation period.