I’m confused , managed to see pay slip
I thought it was deduction for hols
So why is agency holiday pay in
, £75.82 in gross colum , not in employee
Deductions ,
Ie 64 hrs - 9.815 £628
A hol pay £75.82
N/t/ e. £67.50
Tot. £771.50
It’s as if there deducting hol pay
From your hourly rate / wage but paying
It to you each week instead of deducting
It for hols & paying when on hol
And he said £11 ph , not £9.815, and Hmrc
Said I owed them apx £250 but tax is
-3.80 , ZB me what a carry on
Another pointless post from a experience driver who should know his arse from his face yet he comes on here like a headless donkey asking stupid questions
The fact of life is people are not born with stupidity but the only way they can get through life is they act like they are, and then it becomes a way of life
Asking pointless questions
Letting you think im stupid
Acting like a thick
All above describes the above
I’m a experienced lorry driver !! I’m not a experienced
Lorry driver on how agencies pay
Hol pay , I’ve never been paid
Hol pay by a agency , if as was said on here
They deduct 12 % of your pay towards hol
Pay then it should be in deductions colum
If you’ve not had a hol !!! Not in the
Gross column
nightline:
Another pointless post from a experience driver who should know his arse from his face yet he comes on here like a headless donkey asking stupid questions
The fact of life is people are not born with stupidity but the only way they can get through life is they act like they are, and then it becomes a way of life
Asking pointless questions
Letting you think im stupid
Acting like a thick
All above describes the above
That’s a bit harsh
Apparently it’s paid weekly into your account
Not when your on holiday , unless you want
It kept in a pot & paid when you want
Some controller should of gone through all
This but never has
Dozy seems to set himself up for a fall posting these threads, maybe he should combine them all into a single thread called “The perils and tribulations of Dozy”
But to answer his question, read the contract you where given it will outline the details. No two agencies have the same specific terms.
Looks like rolled up holiday pay without reading all the waffle. Its shady as ■■■■, not 100% sure if it’s illegal but it certainly should be.
You are entitled to 28 days paid annual leave, paid when you take it. No deductions, no additions the rates the rate.
Either learn your rights or go full time employed.
Whichever column they put it in, it’s rolled up holiday pay and it’s illegal to include it in your hourly rate, despite what many on here say.
It seems to be the standard across most agencies now however and no-one appears to give a ■■■■.
From gov.uk/holiday-entitlement- … the-basics
Rolled-up holiday pay
Holiday pay should be paid for the time when annual leave is taken. An employer cannot include an amount for holiday pay in the hourly rate (known as ‘rolled-up holiday pay’).
If a current contract still includes rolled-up pay, it needs to be re-negotiated.
nightline:
Another pointless post from a experience driver who should know his arse from his face yet he comes on here like a headless donkey asking stupid questions
The fact of life is people are not born with stupidity but the only way they can get through life is they act like they are, and then it becomes a way of life
Asking pointless questions
Letting you think im stupid
Acting like a thick
All above describes the above
Oi… you leave donkeys out of this. Donkeys may be stubborn and obnoxious, but they are not stupid.
On mine there’s no column/figures for holiday pay listed, the only time I see anything on the payslip is when it’s paid out ie No of hrs x £/hr which gives me a gross figure, from which tax & NI is deducted leaving me the net pay amount
dozy:
I’m a experienced lorry driver !! I’m not a experienced
Lorry driver on how agencies pay
Hol pay , I’ve never been paid
Hol pay by a agency , if as was said on here
They deduct 12 % of your pay towards hol
Pay then it should be in deductions colum
If you’ve not had a hol !!! Not in the
Gross column
Alright - I’ll say it. You’re having the ■■■■ taken out of you by this “agency”, running you ragged with a “Pay to go to work” contract, by the looks of it.
Less than £10ph with DEDUCTIONS? - FFS you’d be better off on the chat!
If they are pretending your’re “Employed PAYE” but actually “Self-Employed”, then they are paying you way too low for proper contractor rates for a start.
You’re entitled to 12.07% holiday pay when employed PAYE - that’s 12.07% paid by THEM to YOU - and not YOU paying both yours, and their stamp in a disgused format.
Plus, how legal is it to work a 64 hour week, when the driver’s maximum is a 60 hour week, which in any case - cannot be worked week-in, week out - but must average 48 hours over a reference period of 17 or 26 weeks…
If, of course - you’re being paid a tramper job for all the hours you’re away from home - I take it all back, and confess I’ve got this all wrong.
Am I wrong though? 
Winseer:
dozy:
I’m a experienced lorry driver !! I’m not a experienced
Lorry driver on how agencies pay
Hol pay , I’ve never been paid
Hol pay by a agency , if as was said on here
They deduct 12 % of your pay towards hol
Pay then it should be in deductions colum
If you’ve not had a hol !!! Not in the
Gross columnAlright - I’ll say it. You’re having the ■■■■ taken out of you by this “agency”, running you ragged with a “Pay to go to work” contract, by the looks of it.
Less than £10ph with DEDUCTIONS? - FFS you’d be better off on the chat!
If they are pretending your’re “Employed PAYE” but actually “Self-Employed”, then they are paying you way too low for proper contractor rates for a start.
You’re entitled to 12.07% holiday pay when employed PAYE - that’s 12.07% paid by THEM to YOU - and not YOU paying both yours, and their stamp in a disgused format.
Plus, how legal is it to work a 64 hour week, when the driver’s maximum is a 60 hour week, which in any case - cannot be worked week-in, week out - but must average 48 hours over a reference period of 17 or 26 weeks…If, of course - you’re being paid a tramper job for all the hours you’re away from home - I take it all back, and confess I’ve got this all wrong.
Am I wrong though?
Yes.
Working time isn’t clock to clock, it’s actual time on other work or driving. Time on break or POA doesn’t count towards the 48hr average.
I average about 55hrs a week “paid hours” but my 26 week average is just shy of 36hrs actual time spent working/driving
Winseer:
dozy:
I’m a experienced lorry driver !! I’m not a experienced
Lorry driver on how agencies pay
Hol pay , I’ve never been paid
Hol pay by a agency , if as was said on here
They deduct 12 % of your pay towards hol
Pay then it should be in deductions colum
If you’ve not had a hol !!! Not in the
Gross columnAlright - I’ll say it. You’re having the ■■■■ taken out of you by this “agency”, running you ragged with a “Pay to go to work” contract, by the looks of it.
Less than £10ph with DEDUCTIONS? - FFS you’d be better off on the chat!
If they are pretending your’re “Employed PAYE” but actually “Self-Employed”, then they are paying you way too low for proper contractor rates for a start.
You’re entitled to 12.07% holiday pay when employed PAYE - that’s 12.07% paid by THEM to YOU - and not YOU paying both yours, and their stamp in a disgused format.
Plus, how legal is it to work a 64 hour week, when the driver’s maximum is a 60 hour week, which in any case - cannot be worked week-in, week out - but must average 48 hours over a reference period of 17 or 26 weeks…If, of course - you’re being paid a tramper job for all the hours you’re away from home - I take it all back, and confess I’ve got this all wrong.
Am I wrong though?
Yes I’m tramping mon- fri , the job
Is just driving bottles of pop round country
,so doddle
The rate quoted at interview was £11 ph or in
His words the same as esl , a controller
Bloke should ring and explain everything , never
Has ,
I rang after seeing payslip as it said hol & id
Not had one , she said we pay your hol
Pay every week , you then won’t get any when your
On hol , or you can have it in a pot & have it when you
Want ,
But as far as I can see there deducting 12% from your
Wages and saying that’s your holiday pay , and it looks
Like that looking at figures in original post , I don’t
Think there paying any holiday pay , holiday pay
Is 12 % deducted from wages you’ve earnt as far as I can
See , is this normal agency procedure as I’ve never been
Paid agency hol pay before , but yes your right as far as I
Can see it’s £9.80 ph not £11 ph as they said
peirre:
On mine there’s no column/figures for holiday pay listed, the only time I see anything on the payslip is when it’s paid out ie No of hrs x £/hr which gives me a gross figure, from which tax & NI is deducted leaving me the net pay amount
My hol pay is in the gross colum
Which is why I queried it as I haven’t
Had any hols so assuming it was a
Deduction it should be in the
Deductions colum , but unless I put
It in a pot I will have hol pay
On pay slip every week
My girl has just sent me previous week
64.75 hrs 9.815 ph 635…54
Actual hol pay. 76.71
Non tax exp. 67.50
Total. 779.75
So that’s what there doing by the look of it
Deducting 12% from your wages / hourly rate
And paying it weekly into your bank , they
Don’t pay any hol pay themselves & don’t pay any
Hol pay when your on hol
So to sum up I’m paying £70 pw out of my wages so I
Get paid hol pay
Is there no law where they have to
Pay hol pay , or have they just got
To give you 28 days , unpaid if they
Want
Where’s the cans of cider!!!
I’m going to look in too this as I thought
You now had to be paid a average of last
X amount of week , if I stick this ( can’t see it
I will have 8 weeks at apx £70 per week hol
Pay by the time I have 2 weeks off, that’s 8
X£70 = 560 or £280 pw hol pay when in theory
I should be getting 700 pw / 1400 if it’s paid
Average hol pay
toonsy:
Winseer:
dozy:
I’m a experienced lorry driver !! I’m not a experienced
Lorry driver on how agencies pay
Hol pay , I’ve never been paid
Hol pay by a agency , if as was said on here
They deduct 12 % of your pay towards hol
Pay then it should be in deductions colum
If you’ve not had a hol !!! Not in the
Gross columnAlright - I’ll say it. You’re having the ■■■■ taken out of you by this “agency”, running you ragged with a “Pay to go to work” contract, by the looks of it.
Less than £10ph with DEDUCTIONS? - FFS you’d be better off on the chat!
If they are pretending your’re “Employed PAYE” but actually “Self-Employed”, then they are paying you way too low for proper contractor rates for a start.
You’re entitled to 12.07% holiday pay when employed PAYE - that’s 12.07% paid by THEM to YOU - and not YOU paying both yours, and their stamp in a disgused format.
Plus, how legal is it to work a 64 hour week, when the driver’s maximum is a 60 hour week, which in any case - cannot be worked week-in, week out - but must average 48 hours over a reference period of 17 or 26 weeks…If, of course - you’re being paid a tramper job for all the hours you’re away from home - I take it all back, and confess I’ve got this all wrong.
Am I wrong though?
Yes.
Working time isn’t clock to clock, it’s actual time on other work or driving. Time on break or POA doesn’t count towards the 48hr average.
I average about 55hrs a week “paid hours” but my 26 week average is just shy of 36hrs actual time spent working/driving
By that reckoning, we can do a 20 hour shift, as long as there’s 5 hours of POA and breaks in it… That’s news to me! 
How much is a Tramper’s hourly rate if they work a 15 hour shift, and then sleep in a layby for the legally required 9 hours (reduced) daily rest?
£150 per day = £10ph. “Night Out Money” on top = £30 extra tax free. That’s still £180 top line per day for 15 hours work consisting of no more than 10 hours driving, and I always thought the breaks and POA went towards the 15 hours "on duty*?
Thus, “8hrs50 driving, 1 hr break, 1 hr10min POA, 4 hours other work” = LEGAL. 6 hours driving, 2 hours break, 3 hours POA, 8 hours other work = ILLEGAL (over a 15 hour shift), but change “8 hours other work” to “4 hours other work” - and it’s hunkydory. “Split Shifts” require a “minimum consecutive rest period” do they not?
Winseer:
toonsy:
Winseer:
dozy:
I’m a experienced lorry driver !! I’m not a experienced
Lorry driver on how agencies pay
Hol pay , I’ve never been paid
Hol pay by a agency , if as was said on here
They deduct 12 % of your pay towards hol
Pay then it should be in deductions colum
If you’ve not had a hol !!! Not in the
Gross columnAlright - I’ll say it. You’re having the ■■■■ taken out of you by this “agency”, running you ragged with a “Pay to go to work” contract, by the looks of it.
Less than £10ph with DEDUCTIONS? - FFS you’d be better off on the chat!
If they are pretending your’re “Employed PAYE” but actually “Self-Employed”, then they are paying you way too low for proper contractor rates for a start.
You’re entitled to 12.07% holiday pay when employed PAYE - that’s 12.07% paid by THEM to YOU - and not YOU paying both yours, and their stamp in a disgused format.
Plus, how legal is it to work a 64 hour week, when the driver’s maximum is a 60 hour week, which in any case - cannot be worked week-in, week out - but must average 48 hours over a reference period of 17 or 26 weeks…If, of course - you’re being paid a tramper job for all the hours you’re away from home - I take it all back, and confess I’ve got this all wrong.
Am I wrong though?
Yes.
Working time isn’t clock to clock, it’s actual time on other work or driving. Time on break or POA doesn’t count towards the 48hr average.
I average about 55hrs a week “paid hours” but my 26 week average is just shy of 36hrs actual time spent working/driving
By that reckoning, we can do a 20 hour shift, as long as there’s 5 hours of POA and breaks in it… That’s news to me!
How much is a Tramper’s hourly rate if they work a 15 hour shift, and then sleep in a layby for the legally required 9 hours (reduced) daily rest?
£150 per day = £10ph. “Night Out Money” on top = £30 extra tax free. That’s still £180 top line per day for 15 hours work consisting of no more than 10 hours driving, and I always thought the breaks and POA went towards the 15 hours "on duty*?
Thus, “8hrs50 driving, 1 hr break, 1 hr10min POA, 4 hours other work” = LEGAL. 6 hours driving, 2 hours break, 3 hours POA, 8 hours other work = ILLEGAL (over a 15 hour shift), but change “8 hours other work” to “4 hours other work” - and it’s hunkydory. “Split Shifts” require a “minimum consecutive rest period” do they not?
No we can’t do a 20hr shift because we’re limited by the amount of rest we need daily.
Yes time on POA and break does count towards your 15hr spread over. It’s two sets of rules.
Say I start at 4am, my 15hrs us up at 7pm. Say I use those 15hrs and I do 8hrs driving, 4hrs various bits of other work and 3hrs break. Only 12 of those 15hrs is classed as “Working time” which is calculated towards your 17/26 week average.