i have a trivia question

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delboytwo:

Coffeeholic:
Based on your previous attempts at setting these type of questions it would be so much quicker if you just posted the wrong answer you think is correct and then we can explain where you have gone wrong. :wink: :stuck_out_tongue: :smiley:

5 Days, Monday to Friday
No split rest
No weekly rest within that period
No double manning

Only one possible answer, 3.

no wrong mate and it in the regs you can do more than three mon to fri

You clearly canā€™t, given the restrictions you have applied to the question, and given your claim it only works Monday to Friday I have a suspicion on where you are going wrong and if I am correct it is a trap many have fallen foul of in the past. :wink:

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Time to post the answer now then Del :wink:

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tachograph:
Time to post the answer now then Del :wink:

Heā€™s busy trying to work out where he has gone wrong first. He was really, really sure but now, not so much. :wink: :stuck_out_tongue:

Iā€™m going to stick my neck out here and predict his wrong answer will be 4. :stuck_out_tongue: :stuck_out_tongue: :wink:

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here goes i will explain why you can do more, sorry but i will have to cut and paste a bit :stuck_out_tongue:

as we know that this is a reduced rest we can agree on that

ā€˜reduced daily rest periodā€™ means any period of rest
of at least nine hours but less than 11 hours;

we no that we can do 3 reduced rests between weekly rests can we agree on that

A driver may have at most three reduced daily rest
periods between any two weekly rest periods.

this is my question

delboytwo:
Hi

how may 15 hour duty days can you do

mon to friday only, without taking a split rest

my answer is 4 why i here you cry with laughter you got it wrong again :stuck_out_tongue: :laughing:

so lets look at it

the driver as met all is EU regs and WTD

mon 6am till 9 pm
tues 6 am till 9 pm
wed 6 am till 9 pm
thur 6am till 7 pm
fri 6 am till 9 pm

at 9 pm start a weekly rest of 45 hours or more till you go to work mon at 6 am and as this is a weekly rest and not a daily rest it would not count as one of your daily rests

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delboytwo:
fri 6 am till 9 pm

at 9 pm start a weekly rest of 45 hours or more till you go to work mon at 6 am and as this is a weekly rest and not a daily rest it would not count as one of your daily rests

I was correct in knowing where you had gone wrong.

He has used all his 9ā€™s Monday - Wednesday so requires an 11 on Thursday and Friday, meaning he can only work a maximum of 13 hours on those two days. You have him working 15 hours Friday and with his required 11 hour rest that makes Friday 26 hours. :stuck_out_tongue: :wink:

The rule on work and rest fitting into 24 hours applies on the day you begin your weekly rest just as much as on any other day.

You extend a daily rest into a weekly rest, the weekly rest isnā€™t instead of a daily rest.

Iā€™m getting to know you too well Del, I can even work out your wrong answers in advance now. :wink: :stuck_out_tongue: :laughing: :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:

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OK i thought i would be wrong but reading this

  1. A daily rest period may be extended to make a regular
    weekly rest period or a reduced weekly rest period.
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This is the best laugh Iā€™ve had all day

delboytwo:
my answer is 4 why i here you cry with laughter you got it wrong again :stuck_out_tongue: :laughing:

Well if itā€™s any comfort to you Del that part was right :stuck_out_tongue: :smiley:

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delboytwo:
OK i thought i would be wrong but reading this

  1. A daily rest period may be extended to make a regular
    weekly rest period or a reduced weekly rest period.

You are by no means the first to fall foul off that misconception, itā€™s a very, very common mistake and why straight away I knew where you had gone wrong.

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so i wrong again i think it getting to be a habit i think i need my name change to MR WRONG :stuck_out_tongue: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

so i will ask you if i have this bit right or should i say wrong as that bit mite be right :stuck_out_tongue:

so going on what you have said neil that you must get the 11 hours in that 24 hours most of the post with weekly rest need to be re look at cos some have stated that once you have finished work you take 45 off and no mention of this bit in any of those posts

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just out of curiosity did i get this wrong as well :stuck_out_tongue: :laughing: :laughing:

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=48194#p549016

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delboytwo:
just out of curiosity did i get this wrong as well :stuck_out_tongue: :laughing: :laughing:

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=48194#p549016

No, you didnā€™t get that wrong. :smiley:

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OK Neil i challenge you to give me a question that you no that i will get wrong :smiley:

make a good one as you know i like cutting and pasting :stuck_out_tongue: :laughing:

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delboytwo:
OK Neil i challenge you to give me a question that you no that i will get wrong :smiley:

make a good one as you know i like cutting and pasting :stuck_out_tongue: :laughing:

I donā€™t need to Del, you do well enough getting your own questions wrong without starting on mine. :stuck_out_tongue: :wink:

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delboytwo:
OK Neil i challenge you to give me a question that you no that i will get wrong :smiley:

make a good one as you know i like cutting and pasting :stuck_out_tongue: :laughing:

Hi Del, Am invited to that challenge too please??

:wink: :laughing: The non-technical ā€˜driverā€™ type fun-quiz questions Iā€™ll ask might not be on driversā€™ hours though, so cut and paste arenā€™t neededā€¦ :sunglasses: :grimacing:

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delboytwo:
just out of curiosity did i get this wrong as well :stuck_out_tongue: :laughing: :laughing:

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=48194#p549016

Thatā€™s actually an interesting point (I think :wink:), I assume your referring to the point about completing the weekly rest + the compensation before 24:00 Sunday of week 4.

The regulations require that the compensation be attached to a rest period of no less than 9 hours but it doesnā€™t say that the compensation has to be attached to the end of a rest period of at least 9 hours.

So could it be that as long as the amount of compensation is completed by 24:00 Sunday of week 4 and immediately before and attached to a rest period of at least 9 hours it would still count ?

Obviously where youā€™re talking about attaching the compensation to a weekly rest period account would need to be taken of which week the weekly rest should count for, but if a compensation of say 18 hours was completed a couple of minutes before 24:00 Sunday then the weekly rest that followed could count for either week.

So the question is, does compensation have to be attached to the end of a rest period or could it be attached to the start and precede a rest period ?

Hope that makes sense :wink:

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I have just had a thought i never get the questions wrong :stuck_out_tongue: :wink: :smiley:
i only get the answers wrong or how i interpret them :stuck_out_tongue: :laughing: :laughing: and by the way your last comment was a bit harsh mate i only want to learn the right way of getting them right :stuck_out_tongue: :wink:

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dieseldave:

delboytwo:
OK Neil i challenge you to give me a question that you no that i will get wrong :smiley:

make a good one as you know i like cutting and pasting :stuck_out_tongue: :laughing:

Hi Del, Am invited to that challenge too please??

:wink: :laughing: The non-technical ā€˜driverā€™ type fun-quiz questions Iā€™ll ask might not be on driversā€™ hours though, so cut and paste arenā€™t neededā€¦ :sunglasses: :grimacing:

give it a go Dave i can only get it wrong :stuck_out_tongue: :wink:

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tachograph:

delboytwo:
just out of curiosity did i get this wrong as well :stuck_out_tongue: :laughing: :laughing:

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=48194#p549016

Thatā€™s actually an interesting point (I think :wink:), I assume your referring to the point about completing the weekly rest + the compensation before 24:00 Sunday of week 4.

The regulations require that the compensation be attached to a rest period of no less than 9 hours but it doesnā€™t say that the compensation has to be attached to the end of a rest period of at least 9 hours.

So could it be that as long as the amount of compensation is completed by 24:00 Sunday of week 4 and immediately before and attached to a rest period of at least 9 hours it would still count ?

Obviously where youā€™re talking about attaching the compensation to a weekly rest period account would need to be taken of which week the weekly rest should count for, but if a compensation of say 18 hours was completed a couple of minutes before 24:00 Sunday then the weekly rest that followed could count for either week.

So the question is, does compensation have to be attached to the end of a rest period or could it be attached to the start and precede a rest period ?

Hope that makes sense :wink:

i think its say en block in the regs so i would think you have to do you rest first and then the companstion

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delboytwo:
i think its say en block in the regs so i would think you have to do you rest first and then the companstion

en-bloc in this context only means that the compensation has to paid in one go rather than being split into separate parts :wink:

The more I think about this and read the regulations the less reason I can see why the compensation has to be attached to the end of the rest period, could just be the time of day though :wink:

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tachograph:

delboytwo:
i think its say en block in the regs so i would think you have to do you rest first and then the companstion

en-bloc in this context only means that the compensation has to paid in one go rather than being split into separate parts :wink:

The more I think about this and read the regulations the less reason I can see why the compensation has to be attached to the end of the rest period, could just be the time of day though :wink:

what i was going to say was as you have to pay the rest back by the end of the 4 week that in my thinking means end of the 4 week so all the rest as to be done by 24 00 sun