I cant name the firm until the investigation is complete- but if you handed over a few notes for a moody DCPC course in Yorkshire then your about to get a letter telling you that it doesnt count and has been wiped off your record- Including some folks who paid over £350 quid to get the full 35 hours while never attending a course- if you paid by credit card you may be able to get your money back, as long as you show that you didn’t receive the services paid for- of course if you knew it was “hookey” you cant
Interesting. Do you know if there’s been much of this about or is it just isolated incidents?
■■■■ … I provide DCPC in Yorkshire and can’t take card payments so mostly cash 
Is it me?
Am I being watched right now?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! 
Phew, my envelope went to Liverpool.
This seems to be a tricky area for the authorities. They need visible enforcement like this as a future deterrent but, in highlighting such things going on it is also an admission of their own incompetence in vetting training providers and to an extent the flawed nature of the whole implementation.
With more thought they could have made it a condition training providers held or obtained a suitably relevant qualification. The existing ‘real’ certificate of professional competence for transport managers would have fitted the bill and meant trainers have proven familiarity with driver’s hours rules. Also, more importantly, no genuine CPC holder would put their repute on the line running a scam like this.
I suspect - may be giving the authorities more credit than deserved - this was considered as an idea but discarded in a panic about getting the training hours done before the deadline where training quality was overlooked in favour of quantity. They have effectively reaped what they have sown.
shep532:
[zb] … I provide DCPC in Yorkshire and can’t take card payments so mostly cashIs it me?
Am I being watched right now?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
No it’s a guy in Brighouse. Well known among the local drivers.
Given that the DCPC is nothing more than a money making farce anyway I don’t see a problem with a trainer shortening the process.
Paying and getting the DQC without attending worthless courses is showing initiative in my opinion, if I’m honest I hope they get away with it.
My mate was telling me he knows where to get the hours without sitting the course, £50 for a 7hrs, which is cheap anyway.
tachograph:
Given that the DCPC is nothing more than a money making farce anyway I don’t see a problem with a trainer shortening the process.Paying and getting the DQC without attending worthless courses is showing initiative in my opinion, if I’m honest I hope they get away with it.
good on you for both having that opinion and having the guts to publically voice it 
i was unable to locate a course like that so i am paying £69 per module. The receipt says £110.95 though 
I did module 4 last week and my trainer started with similar stories and mentioned Leeds. The trainer went down and the trainees had their 7 hours removed rom their records.
It is a bad sign of the times that there are so many drivers out there who think “Pfff - £50? I’ll happily throw that away” - whilst sitting in a classroom with your “buddies” for 7 hours at a time seems to be hell’s teeth itself by comparison…
These same people who kick-away fifty notes at the drop of a hat - are probably the same ones who would begrudge a bet of a fraction of that - because “they don’t bet”. 
Wonder what sort of future repercussions customers in this apparent fraud can expect.
tachograph:
Given that the DCPC is nothing more than a money making farce anyway I don’t see a problem with a trainer shortening the process.Paying and getting the DQC without attending worthless courses is showing initiative in my opinion, if I’m honest I hope they get away with it.
The country full of places doing this, and they will get away with it, how is anyone going to say the people didn’t attend.
They say you did you say you did, really what the problem apart from not falling asleep in the classroom while looking at PowerPoint presentation.
It’s a waste of money and time everyone knows this. There will always be people coming out defending the course, these are the same people that have a clipboard a torch and spend 20 minutes doing a walkround checks.
tachograph:
Given that the DCPC is nothing more than a money making farce anyway I don’t see a problem with a trainer shortening the process.Paying and getting the DQC without attending worthless courses is showing initiative in my opinion, if I’m honest I hope they get away with it.
Spot on.
His own fault getting caught for being greedy & gobby.
I would have thought it would be advantageous to only take an envelope from a driver who you know can keep his mouth shut but then what do I know.
If a driver has done at least one module it’s very hard to see what the crime is when the authorities are perfectly happy to allow drivers to repeat the same module.
This will be a bigger problem too when the deadline passes and things quieten down there are now too many trainers than required ordinarily and a lot will have bills to pay.
Juddian:
Wonder what sort of future repercussions customers in this apparent fraud can expect.
Once a fraud is proven (or accepted,) those DCPC hours will be voided and won’t count.
Silver_Surfer:
tachograph:
Given that the DCPC is nothing more than a money making farce anyway I don’t see a problem with a trainer shortening the process.Paying and getting the DQC without attending worthless courses is showing initiative in my opinion, if I’m honest I hope they get away with it.
Spot on.
His own fault getting caught for being greedy & gobby.
I would have thought it would be advantageous to only take an envelope from a driver who you know can keep his mouth shut but then what do I know.
The problem is that the same chap also runs an agency and due to some apparent “circumstances beyond his control” a number of his drivers weren’t paid for a weeks work, so it doesn’t take a genius to work out what lead up to this.
Winseer:
These same people who kick-away fifty notes at the drop of a hat - are probably the same ones who would begrudge a bet of a fraction of that - because “they don’t bet”.
Placing a bet is not compulsory though, however, to continue to work you are forced to pay for this crap, so if a guy can hand over his fifty knicker whilst still working and earning for the day I say fair play to him.
The law will always be the law, but a bad law will always be a bad law!
Own Account Driver:
This seems to be a tricky area for the authorities. They need visible enforcement like this as a future deterrent but, in highlighting such things going on it is also an admission of their own incompetence in vetting training providers and to an extent the flawed nature of the whole implementation.With more thought they could have made it a condition training providers held or obtained a suitably relevant qualification. The existing ‘real’ certificate of professional competence for transport managers would have fitted the bill and meant trainers have proven familiarity with driver’s hours rules. Also, more importantly, no genuine CPC holder would put their repute on the line running a scam like this.
I suspect - may be giving the authorities more credit than deserved - this was considered as an idea but discarded in a panic about getting the training hours done before the deadline where training quality was overlooked in favour of quantity. They have effectively reaped what they have sown.
If they had introduced such a method then surely those holding a CPC would not require to do the dcpc as they were already qualified.
The way it has been worded to me, is that EVERYONE who has had hours uploaded by this particular trainer will lose every hour off their DCPC account that he uploaded and it will be up to the driver to prove that they did in fact attend a course- Just how your going to that I don’t know. But if you cant show that you attended then you are going to have to pay again to get your hours back.