msgyorkie:
The reason that “Management” has become like this is not because of a growing superiority complex but by the sheer stupidness and muppetry of today’s HGV drivers.
I have recently come back on the road after 2 years in the Transport Planners seat and every week I would hold my head in my hands and wonder “Why the [zb] has he done that!” Then the senior management gets wind or sees what has happened and demands that action is taken such as random spotchecks on fueling up!!
The idiocy of today’s drivers is unbelievable and its no wonder we are looked upon as 3rd class citizens!
^^^this.
Having spend time ‘on the other side of the hatch’, I too regularly sunk my head in my hands…
The stupidity, or belingerence, of some drivers beggars belief. And whilst genuine stupidity is annoying, what really gets on my nerves, is the deliberate nature of some full time drivers, who go proudly out of their way (and boast about it…) to damage company property or cost the company money.
Yesterday a visiting driver in our yard managed to mangle his off side front bumper against an 8 foot high concrete wall… his off side ■■■■■■■ bumper… he’s on top of it for ■■■■ sake. He then drove off, leaving the fog light infill by the wall, before coming back later. His excuse??
It was very tight because he was reversing…
robroy:
It’s what WW2 aircrew used to have to do on returning from dangerous bombing missions over Germany.
Hes been quiet this year so far but somewhere, Carryfast’s ears picked up and he tilted his head to the side thinking “something is being said I need to comment on”
I had a “debrief” from the co-op once where some weazel barely out of short trousers looked at the information and said
“You stopped at 0737 for 14 minutes. Why?” “Er, stopped for tea and a roll” I says
“Ok, Hmm, again at 0827 for 6 minutes. Why?” “I would be early for the store delivery so had to hang back”
“Right. You took 54 minutes for your break. Why so long?”
By now I was fed up being treated like a kid called to the headteachers office so I looked at him and said “Because thats how long I took before I started moving again”
Questions about store delivery problems, access issues or stuff like that I can understand and they need to know these things but analzying my times to the minute like that is too much
I had a “debrief” from the co-op once where some weazel barely out of short trousers looked at the information and said
“You stopped at 0737 for 14 minutes. Why?” “Er, stopped for tea and a roll” I says
“Ok, Hmm, again at 0827 for 6 minutes. Why?” “I would be early for the store delivery so had to hang back”
“Right. You took 54 minutes for your break. Why so long?”
By now I was fed up being treated like a kid called to the headteachers office so I looked at him and said “Because thats how long I took before I started moving again”
You know what mate?
That is one of the reasons I would not do agency, nor work full time for a firm such as that for a grand a week.
I would last all of one shift after getting the boot for getting the little scrote by his ■■■■ windpipe
I’m not coming the big balled ‘‘I AM’’ here either, as anybody who knows me on here will vouch that is exactly what I would ■■■■ do. I can not abide jumped up little ■■■■ like that at any price.
We are professional drivers ffs, not school kids.
2 questions on this…
At what ■■■■ stage in time did the job ever become like the scenario you mention exactly, and why did drivers allow it to happen in the first place■■?
I had a “debrief” from the co-op once where some weazel barely out of short trousers looked at the information and said
“You stopped at 0737 for 14 minutes. Why?” “Er, stopped for tea and a roll” I says
“Ok, Hmm, again at 0827 for 6 minutes. Why?” “I would be early for the store delivery so had to hang back”
“Right. You took 54 minutes for your break. Why so long?”
By now I was fed up being treated like a kid called to the headteachers office so I looked at him and said “Because thats how long I took before I started moving again”
Questions about store delivery problems, access issues or stuff like that I can understand and they need to know these things but analzying my times to the minute like that is too much
Thought it would be some pish like that.
I’m just glad I work for a company that treats me like a grown man capable of doing the job I’m employed to do without interfering or trying to “debrief” my day. I haven’t heard from them since Wednesday and won’t do until Tuesday
robroy:
2 questions on this…
At what [zb] stage in time did the job ever become like the scenario you mention exactly, and why did drivers allow it to happen in the first place■■?
I refer you to my earlier statement
msgyorkie:
The reason that “Management” has become like this is not because of a growing superiority complex but by the sheer stupidness and muppetry of today’s HGV drivers.
I have recently come back on the road after 2 years in the Transport Planners seat and every week I would hold my head in my hands and wonder “Why the [zb] has he done that!” Then the senior management gets wind or sees what has happened and demands that action is taken such as random spotchecks on fueling up!!
The idiocy of today’s drivers is unbelievable and its no wonder we are looked upon as 3rd class citizens!
The idiocy started when the idiots joined our once great industry!
robroy:
2 questions on this…
At what [zb] stage in time did the job ever become like the scenario you mention exactly, and why did drivers allow it to happen in the first place■■?
I refer you to my earlier statement
msgyorkie:
The reason that “Management” has become like this is not because of a growing superiority complex but by the sheer stupidness and muppetry of today’s HGV drivers.
I have recently come back on the road after 2 years in the Transport Planners seat and every week I would hold my head in my hands and wonder “Why the [zb] has he done that!” Then the senior management gets wind or sees what has happened and demands that action is taken such as random spotchecks on fueling up!!
The idiocy of today’s drivers is unbelievable and its no wonder we are looked upon as 3rd class citizens!
The idiocy started when the idiots joined our once great industry!
I do think youre wrong on only one point, there have always been idiots in the game. Maybe when we were a little younger we didnt see all the mistakes being made, after all we were probably too busy making our own! Don`t we all want to learn and improve all the time? No one is fully fledged on day one. Now we are a little more experienced we see more errors, maybe because we have made those errors and learnt from them. Maybe our rear view specs are a little rosier than they should be?
robroy:
2 questions on this…
At what [zb] stage in time did the job ever become like the scenario you mention exactly, and why did drivers allow it to happen in the first place■■?
I refer you to my earlier statement
msgyorkie:
The reason that “Management” has become like this is not because of a growing superiority complex but by the sheer stupidness and muppetry of today’s HGV drivers.
I have recently come back on the road after 2 years in the Transport Planners seat and every week I would hold my head in my hands and wonder “Why the [zb] has he done that!” Then the senior management gets wind or sees what has happened and demands that action is taken such as random spotchecks on fueling up!!
The idiocy of today’s drivers is unbelievable and its no wonder we are looked upon as 3rd class citizens!
The idiocy started when the idiots joined our once great industry!
When exactly did they let the idiots in,
I remember going in the transport office to cover holidays and this was 20 years ago, and as a couple have said some of the drivers made you disappear and they weren’t new to it, some had been doing the job for 30+ years. It was an eye opener for me as I didn’t realise some of them were so useless, as well as the regular damage etc, one driver actually lost the company a contract.
And a bloke I used to rent lodging from, sold his haulage company in the early 70’s, and he said one of the reasons were drivers who couldn’t be trusted and cost of having to repair damage caused by them.
Maybe I’ve got my rosy gregories on, but I can honestly say that I do not remember as many pathetic ■■■■ excuses for drivers, or as much ■■■■ poor driving displayed both in lack of skill, bad manners and inconsiderstion as I see today.
Maybe it’s because in those days I was one of the least experienced on the road so I did not notice. (…or maybe the more experienced guys thought that me and my mates were muppets then )
As an example, I came across 2 within 1 hour (the first in 5 mins ) as soon as I set off.
Pulled out of Truckers Rest on A5 this morning, a Volvo with an Irish trailer followed me out right up my ■■■■ chuff as I sat at 47 ish. Still up my arse on roundabout (I took it slow due to nature of load) joined slip road so he decided to overtake me…until he saw the 2 lane slip became 1. Right out to overtake me, flashed him in and he ignored me and sat in lane 2 of 4 lane M.way holding up avout a dozen cars.
Next junction pulled over to let a tipper out, he kept me alongside him for ■■■■ ages until he had to slow up to avoid going up another truck’s arse.
Everyday instances …yeh ok I know, but just making a point.
Maybe with busier roads and more trucks we are going to meet more idiots day by day? Maybe there is the same proportion of fools but because we are busier we meet more overall? Plus we have less recovery time between near misses.
robroy:
Maybe I’ve got my rosy gregories on, but I can honestly say that I do not remember as many pathetic [zb] excuses for drivers, or as much ■■■■ poor driving displayed both in lack of skill, bad manners and inconsiderstion as I see today.
Maybe it’s because in those days I was one of the least experienced on the road so I did not notice. (…or maybe the more experienced guys thought that me and my mates were muppets then )
As an example, I came across 2 within 1 hour (the first in 5 mins ) as soon as I set off.
Pulled out of Truckers Rest on A5 this morning, a Volvo with an Irish trailer followed me out right up my [zb] chuff as I sat at 47 ish. Still up my arse on roundabout (I took it slow due to nature of load) joined slip road so he decided to overtake me…until he saw the 2 lane slip became 1. Right out to overtake me, flashed him in and he ignored me and sat in lane 2 of 4 lane M.way holding up avout a dozen cars.
Next junction pulled over to let a tipper out, he kept me alongside him for [zb] ages until he had to slow up to avoid going up another truck’s arse.
Everyday instances …yeh ok I know, but just making a point.
Loads of numpties on the roads today Rob. We get a few over here in France too ( the majority, 99% being from you know where) but only a few !
I had a “debrief” from the co-op once where some weazel barely out of short trousers looked at the information and said
“You stopped at 0737 for 14 minutes. Why?” “Er, stopped for tea and a roll” I says
“Ok, Hmm, again at 0827 for 6 minutes. Why?” “I would be early for the store delivery so had to hang back”
“Right. You took 54 minutes for your break. Why so long?”
By now I was fed up being treated like a kid called to the headteachers office so I looked at him and said “Because thats how long I took before I started moving again”
Questions about store delivery problems, access issues or stuff like that I can understand and they need to know these things but analzying my times to the minute like that is too much
Which CO-OP was that? The Castlewood (j28 M1) debreif is nothing like that, it’s goes something like,
“Have you had any accidents, incidents or near misses?”
All my fellow drivers where I work are sure the planners get taxi’ed to work as they don’t have any sense of direction.
I often think stevie wonder does our planning tho.
robroy:
I find it more unbelievable that your planner was making sure you were ‘‘fuelling up in a safe manner’’ wtf is all that about exactly.
The use of gloves?? Not leaving the hose unattended while fuelling?? There are 2 that would be reasonable as part of “fuelling in a safe manner”
Another example of the Rss covering, after a f/wit tearing around, causes a spill or harms someone.
And another thing…a porcupine has the pricks on the outside
If I was inclined to diesel up without gloves I would and I wouldn’t have some pen pusher tell me otherwise.
Pretty much every single time I diesel up I lock the nozzle on and do other things, I’ve yet to be the cause of the Fleece going up in a fireball.
It sounds like you work for a proper crap company with more rules and interference than anything else.
I also hear debrief a lot but I’ve never done one as my company aren’t buzzword bell ends. Wot is they?
A.
How the heck do you get the pumps in the fleece to lock on ■■
and how the heck do you get them to deliver fuel without splattering half of it all over you and your vehicle ■■?
they must be the worst pumps in this country…
I have mentioned on this site previously that my Dad was a truck driver in the 70’s and 80’s, and I used to love going in the truck with him as a kid.
What struck me from an early age was the camaraderie amongst truckers. People screwed up ALL the time, and there will have been idiots then as there are now.
But here is the difference…people covered up for one another. A driver who saw another reverse into a pallet of salt, just happened to be picking up one of his ropes and didn’t see anything. The foreman with a black eye ‘fell over’…(and found some manners on the floor whilst there and never had any more problems for the duration of his employment).
No CCTV, no camera’s, no telling tales. You would have a row with someone and then moved on. No camera phone’s, no taking people to court for ‘verbal assault’ etc. Unfortunately we now have a society of mard arses who love telling tales and brown nosing.
I firmly believe that haulage has gotten worse in the last 10 years with some so called drivers driving wagons like they would a car.
I’ve lost count the amount of times I have pulled over to let a fellow driver onto the motorway only for the prat to accelerate and leave me hanging in the middle lane. Im pretty sure that stunt didn’t happen AS much 10-20 years ago.
Also take a look at the modern lorry driver…Fat, smelly, unwashed, tracksuit wearing gimp! Im seeing these sort of people more and more and Im embarrassed when someone asks what I do for a living.
msgyorkie:
I firmly believe that haulage has gotten worse in the last 10 years with some so called drivers driving wagons like they would a car.
I’ve lost count the amount of times I have pulled over to let a fellow driver onto the motorway only for the prat to accelerate and leave me hanging in the middle lane. Im pretty sure that stunt didn’t happen AS much 10-20 years ago.
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They drive them like cars because they ARE like cars now.
It’s only the real drivers who realise you drive them in a much different way and treat them with respect.
You’re absolutely right, it didn’t happen at all up to about 10 yrs ago as far as I remember.
It was around that time that I always remember my mate happened to mention…‘‘Have you noticed lately how some prats now…etc etc’’ …as if it was something unbelievable.
It was a mutual unwritten rule that you gave way to each other, let out, let in, flashed out and flashed in whenever possible, it was just what you did then…Btw, I aint got the red specs on here either, it was just fact, you can believe me or not, I don’t give a one.
It made for a less stressful day also
I fully expect to be cut up, left out, cut in and all the rest of the crap by car drivers, but it does ■■■■ me somewhat big style, when a supposedly fellow ‘‘pro’’ does it to me.
eagerbeaver:
I have mentioned on this site previously that my Dad was a truck driver in the 70’s and 80’s, and I used to love going in the truck with him as a kid.
What struck me from an early age was the camaraderie amongst truckers. People screwed up ALL the time, and there will have been idiots then as there are now.
But here is the difference…people covered up for one another. A driver who saw another reverse into a pallet of salt, just happened to be picking up one of his ropes and didn’t see anything. The foreman with a black eye ‘fell over’…(and found some manners on the floor whilst there and never had any more problems for the duration of his employment).
No CCTV, no camera’s, no telling tales. You would have a row with someone and then moved on. No camera phone’s, no taking people to court for ‘verbal assault’ etc. Unfortunately we now have a society of mard arses who love telling tales and brown nosing.
Technology / H&S and general selfishness has taken over mate, without stating the obvious its now a totally different world…
Trukkertone:
How the heck do you get the pumps in the fleece to lock on ■■
and how the heck do you get them to deliver fuel without splattering half of it all over you and your vehicle ■■?
they must be the worst pumps in this country…
You been to Lymm? If you manage to get the card machine to work you can then wait 18 minutes for the thing the dribble out 280 litres. Then stop. When you need 500
If the latch is gubbed just stick a plastic bottle in it, no chance I’m standing still while my hand freezes into a gnarled claw round a diesel pump.
Never really had a problem with the pumps at the Fleece, always seem to have good flow and latch on for me, are you on about the Shell pumps or the bunker ones?
AndrewG:
The office cabbage checking your hose is in there properly is one thing but wtf is a de brief??
Yeh that always amuses me.
‘Debrief’ yet another modern management buzz word that makes things, and them sound ohh soo important.
It’s what WW2 aircrew used to have to do on returning from dangerous bombing missions over Germany.
Nowadays it’s handing in your notes after delivering bog rolls at Tesco.
[zb] unreal.
As for the o/p why is it such a surprise to him that his job is run by someone who knows absolutely [zb] all about it in teal terms. This system has been the norm for the last 10 to 15 years since they stopped the practice of having ex.drivers in the ‘‘Transport office’’, instead of kids and jumped up [zb] incompetents in the ‘‘Logistical Planning Department’’.
+1
Debriefs are for proper “operations”. Police, Aviation, security services, mil ops.
What the hell? I never worked for a firm where this would happen. Transport world these days has gone snowflake nuclear. If I was still driving and a planner tried to dictate the running gear set up on a wagon it would be two words. The second is “off”
