Rich The Stag:
You’d be amazed by the amount of dullards who can’t refuel properly. More fuel over the tank than in it, pump wedged open while they go for a coffee, no gloves then filthy hands over the steering wheel.
Quick aside refueling with diesel with no gloves:
who.int/ipcs/emergencies/diesel.pdf
World Health Organisation says diesel has some limited evidence as a carcinogen in animals but less evidence in humans. Exposing skin to diesel can however cause dermatitis especially if exposure is frequent or prolonged. Ingestion is potentially more of a problem especially if inhaled into the lungs.
Re-fuelling without gloves will not only make a steering wheel dirty but will also make your cheese sarnies taste like Torrey Canyon sauce and may give you the runs.
Rich The Stag:
You’d be amazed by the amount of dullards who can’t refuel properly. More fuel over the tank than in it, pump wedged open while they go for a coffee, no gloves then filthy hands over the steering wheel.
We had a new nozzle put on the diesel pump, within a week it was already broken again. Credit though to the person who managed to cable tie it together. Its held up now like that for over a year now.
We have an unofficial league table in our yard for who can get the furthest with the fuel nozzle still in the tank. The current “champ” managed to get to Bingham roundabout (approx 20 miles) before he noticed the sparks!
the maoster:
We have an unofficial league table in our yard for who can get the furthest with the fuel nozzle still in the tank. The current “champ” managed to get to Bingham roundabout (approx 20 miles) before he noticed the sparks!
What excuse did he make?
“I was doinOKtil someone from the office came out and distracted me”?
the maoster:
We have an unofficial league table in our yard for who can get the furthest with the fuel nozzle still in the tank. The current “champ” managed to get to Bingham roundabout (approx 20 miles) before he noticed the sparks!
Ffs 20 mile he must be as blind as a bat or forgot his hearing aid. 
(this is banter not a dig at anyone with any issues)
Wiretwister:
robroy:
I find it more unbelievable that your planner was making sure you were ‘‘fuelling up in a safe manner’’ wtf is all that about exactly. 
The use of gloves?? Not leaving the hose unattended while fuelling?? There are 2 that would be reasonable as part of “fuelling in a safe manner”
Another example of the Rss covering, after a f/wit tearing around, causes a spill or harms someone.
And another thing…a porcupine has the pricks on the outside
If I was inclined to diesel up without gloves I would and I wouldn’t have some pen pusher tell me otherwise.
Pretty much every single time I diesel up I lock the nozzle on and do other things, I’ve yet to be the cause of the Fleece going up in a fireball.
It sounds like you work for a proper crap company with more rules and interference than anything else.
I also hear debrief a lot but I’ve never done one as my company aren’t buzzword bell ends. Wot is they?
A.
I agree. I did genaeral for 11 years before coming on this company. The rules and h and s is unbelievable. However. For the money and hours that I get/do Im Quite happy to put up with it. I would have to tramp out max hours all week to even come close pay wise, so I am quite happy to put up the management.
Some of the questions you,get asked on debrief are quite interesting
alterego:
I agree. I did genaeral for 11 years before coming on this company. The rules and h and s is unbelievable. However. For the money and hours that I get/do Im Quite happy to put up with it. I would have to tramp out max hours all week to even come close pay wise, so I am quite happy to put up the management.
Some of the questions you,get asked on debrief are quite interesting
What sort of questions do they ask?
Is it basically an end of shift interview?
A.
Adonis.:
alterego:
I agree. I did genaeral for 11 years before coming on this company. The rules and h and s is unbelievable. However. For the money and hours that I get/do Im Quite happy to put up with it. I would have to tramp out max hours all week to even come close pay wise, so I am quite happy to put up the management.
Some of the questions you,get asked on debrief are quite interesting
What sort of questions do they ask?
Is it basically an end of shift interview?
A.
Normally something like that. It could include what you’re doing for the next day too.
Radar19:
Adonis.:
alterego:
I agree. I did genaeral for 11 years before coming on this company. The rules and h and s is unbelievable. However. For the money and hours that I get/do Im Quite happy to put up with it. I would have to tramp out max hours all week to even come close pay wise, so I am quite happy to put up the management.
Some of the questions you,get asked on debrief are quite interesting
What sort of questions do they ask?
Is it basically an end of shift interview?
A.
Normally something like that. It could include what you’re doing for the next day too.
Let me guess, there’s also a prebrief in the morning too?
A.
Adonis.:
Radar19:
Adonis.:
alterego:
I agree. I did genaeral for 11 years before coming on this company. The rules and h and s is unbelievable. However. For the money and hours that I get/do Im Quite happy to put up with it. I would have to tramp out max hours all week to even come close pay wise, so I am quite happy to put up the management.
Some of the questions you,get asked on debrief are quite interesting
What sort of questions do they ask?
Is it basically an end of shift interview?
A.
Normally something like that. It could include what you’re doing for the next day too.
Let me guess, there’s also a prebrief in the morning too?
A.
It could be as simple as: “Here’s your keys and paperwork. Truck is in the yard, collect trailer 1234, call me when you’re tipped”.
Remember management has come up with these fancy words to justify their company cars.
The ensuing abuse we get from the very easy to wind up Juan as we casually throw the paperwork through his hatch along the lines of fornication amongst ourselves must be our de brief then…
Regarding the lift axle my rule of thumb is that if it will stay up it goes up. (I’ve avoided a predictable tallywacker reference here)
I just hate it when I have a load that’s on the cusp of being up or down.
Prolly the only time I’ve had the lift axle down unnecessarily is when taking a unit home and spreading the weight whilst reversing on the drive.
The reason for this is our tarmac drive was done by how you say ‘gentleman of no fixed abode’, what they lacked in skill they made up for in exhuberence and a very reasonable quote.
The quality of their workmanship is blatantly obvious as once a year I have to mow it.
Nice lads though…
AndrewG:
The office cabbage checking your hose is in there properly is one thing but wtf is a de brief??
You’d love where I work, we’ve got a pre-brief and a de-brief clerk lol
A debrief should make sense if it’s done properly!
At my last company (not driving) we had a weekly debrief every Friday afternoon. Everyone got given a bottle of beer, and one by one you called out any problems that you either hadn’t solved yet, or had solved and thought might be useful to have written down for someone else to make use of. Then it would descend into a bit of moaning about clients and ■■■■■■■■■■ until the boss told us to ■■■■ off for the weekend.
It got written up on the whiteboard under our names and it stayed there for the next week. It would often turn out that someone else had an idea, or had dealt with whatever before, and could help you out. Or sometimes simply draw a ■■■■ by your name… either way!
The session was also cunningly named Friday Allocated Review Time 
Life’s no fun if you take it too seriously.
I de briefed the wife once.
slowlane:
A debrief should make sense if it’s done properly!
At my last company (not driving) we had a weekly debrief every Friday afternoon. Everyone got given a bottle of beer, and one by one you called out any problems that you either hadn’t solved yet, or had solved and thought might be useful to have written down for someone else to make use of. Then it would descend into a bit of moaning about clients and ■■■■■■■■■■ until the boss told us to [zb] off for the weekend.
It got written up on the whiteboard under our names and it stayed there for the next week. It would often turn out that someone else had an idea, or had dealt with whatever before, and could help you out. Or sometimes simply draw a ■■■■ by your name… either way!
The session was also cunningly named Friday Allocated Review Time
Life’s no fun if you take it too seriously.
Apart from the beer, it sounds like some the more relevant DCPC courses we did. Some drivers had problems (work related, not relationships etc) or queries and some others had solutions. Not necessarily worth 7 hours though.
De-briefing and job allocation at our place:
“Alright?”
“Yeah, fine”.
" Trailer ACB Monday, delivery to Smiths, delivery booked 8 oclock. Bye, and have a good week-end" " OK. Thanks, you too". At least some would call that debriefing and job allocation, we normally call it "talking" or if were feeling fancy “conversation”.
Adonis.:
Wiretwister:
robroy:
I find it more unbelievable that your planner was making sure you were ‘‘fuelling up in a safe manner’’ wtf is all that about exactly.
The use of gloves?? Not leaving the hose unattended while fuelling?? There are 2 that would be reasonable as part of “fuelling in a safe manner”
Another example of the Rss covering, after a f/wit tearing around, causes a spill or harms someone.
And another thing…a porcupine has the pricks on the outside
If I was inclined to diesel up without gloves I would and I wouldn’t have some pen pusher tell me otherwise.
Pretty much every single time I diesel up I lock the nozzle on and do other things, I’ve yet to be the cause of the Fleece going up in a fireball.
It sounds like you work for a proper crap company with more rules and interference than anything else.
I also hear debrief a lot but I’ve never done one as my company aren’t buzzword bell ends. Wot is they?
A.
You need to be careful when locking the nozzle on and doing other things. I did that at the keyfuels site in Thurrock the other week, and the auto cut off on the nozzle didn’t work. Luckily I was standing by the tank watching it, but still had quite a few litres everywhere before I could knock the lock off.