Well there’s a relief !!
About time too what a stupid and unnecassery way of killing animals, if people want to ride horses thats fine but do they really have to kill something to give them a kick?.
So hundreds of people will lose their jobs in the countryside?, well welcome to the REAL world, it happens every day in industry.
I have no particular views on hunting as I can see the argument from both sides. However with all the problems in this country is the welfare of a few hundred foxes the most important thing for parliment to spend time worring about.
This ban has more to do with looking after back bench Labour MP’s and traditional Labour voters, who have been alienated by the Leadship over issues like Iraq and Health Service Reform than it has to do with animal welfare.
The sad fact is more foxes die on the roads or are shot then ever get killed on a hunt and a ban will mean the death of more foxes as more efficient ways of killing them are used.
This happened before. Norfolk was never a great fox hunting area and in the 19th century foxes were almost wiped out in this area by the gamekeepers on the big estates.
The countryside alliance also really annoy me. They claim to represent country people, but they are a one issue group and that’s hunting. If they really represented the concerns of real country people, they would lobby about jobs, housing and transport. They would also work against townies who move to the country and gets long established business, including haulage firms, closed down.
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quote=“jammymutt”]About time too what a stupid and unnecassery way of killing animals, if people want to ride horses thats fine but do they really have to kill something to give them a kick?.
Well it’s betting than trapping, poisening,gassing, badly shot. Better to be killed quickly by a bite to the neck. (and no they pack don’t rip the foxes up alive). I’ve followed hunts most of my life and have NEVER ridden a horse and have no desire to do so.
So hundreds of people will lose their jobs in the countryside?, well welcome to the REAL world, it happens every day in industry.
We aren’t talking hundreds it is thousands, I know of at least twenty around the small village I live, it’s not just the direct emplyees of the hunt, Farriers, horse feed suppliers, the company I drive for supply fencing and a lot of deliveries are to people who keep a horse or two just for hunting and if they can’t hunt they won’t want the horse(s). Fencing contractors etc.
Dave
muckles:
I have no particular views on hunting as I can see the argument from both sides. However with all the problems in this country is the welfare of a few hundred foxes the most important thing for parliment to spend time worring about.
This ban has more to do with looking after back bench Labour MP’s and traditional Labour voters, who have been alienated by the Leadship over issues like Iraq and Health Service Reform than it has to do with animal welfare.
The sad fact is more foxes die on the roads or are shot then ever get killed on a hunt and a ban will mean the death of more foxes as more efficient ways of killing them are used.
This happened before. Norfolk was never a great fox hunting area and in the 19th century foxes were almost wiped out in this area by the gamekeepers on the big estates.
The countryside alliance also really annoy me. They claim to represent country people, but they are a one issue group and that’s hunting. If they really represented the concerns of real country people, they would lobby about jobs, housing and transport. They would also work against townies who move to the country and gets long established business, including haulage firms, closed down.
Muckles I agree with most of what you say apart from the comments about the Countryside Alliance. Have a PROPER look at their website… http://www.countryside-alliance.org/ OK the hunting with dogs IS a big issue at the moment probably the biggest upheaval the countryside has had for hundreds of years. Where will it stop? Shooting?Fishing?
Dave
Thatcher killed thousands of Jobs when she closed down the Mining industry!
I don’t recall many of the Tally Ho coming out in sympathy!
Besides this is a barbaric pastime!
I was wondering what the opinions would be if a bunch of city kids started chasing the many city foxes around the streets with a few terriers, just for a good laugh!
Makes you think! does it not?
TC:
Thatcher killed thousands of Jobs when she closed down the Mining industry!I don’t recall many of the Tally Ho coming out in sympathy!
From what I remember a certain Mr Arthur Scargill had something to do with the demise of the mining industry. “Tallo Ho”? I’m certainly not, a driver who lives in a council house. and by the way a union member
Besides this is a barbaric pastime!
Explain/Expand your arguement…what about Boxing? two Humans beating the living daylights out of each other?
I was wondering what the opinions would be if a bunch of city kids started chasing the many city foxes around the streets with a few terriers, just for a good laugh!
They wouldn’t have a lot of luck! A terrier scents from the air and seeing the amount of polution in our cities they wouldn’t have alot of luck!
Makes you think! does it not?
No
Dave
From what I remember a certain Mr Arthur Scargill had something to do with the demise of the mining industry. “Tallo Ho”? I’m certainly not, a driver who lives in a council house. and by the way a union member
Mr Scargill was proved right, Thatcher Killed coal mining in the UK we now import 97% of our coal!
Explain/Expand your arguement…what about Boxing? two Humans beating the living daylights out of each other?
I will never stick up for boxing but at least the 2 waring factions both have a choice! Unfortunately Foxes dont! or didnt! 
They wouldn’t have a lot of luck! A terrier scents from the air and seeing the amount of polution in our cities they wouldn’t have alot of luck
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So in your book if it wasn’t for the polution it would be OK would it?
I respect your views but as much as I try I still cannot think of ONE reason why we should let people chace any animal just to kill it!
Shogun,if only you showed the same enthusiasm for your rights for better pay and conditions for LGV drivers as you do for keeping fox hunting going 
I,also don’t agree with boxing,look what happened to Michael Watson 13 years ago,and he wasn’t killed,he is still suffering to this day.
There is no justification for fox hunting in the 21st century,as it is mostly done now purely for pleasure,or as you call it, a "sport ".
Wake up and smell the coffee (no reference to you Neil 
)
Dan.
shogun:
Where will it stop? Shooting?Fishin
I go fishing occasionaly i fish for trout when i catch them i kill them and eat them i dont see the problem with that, shooting is also fine providing the kill is eaten, but killing or maiming animals is not on.
There is a difference in killing for fun and killing for food.
No thats right the dogs DONT rip the fox apart do they??.
Read this site for some of the facts.
I make you partly right and partly wrong there muckles. The timing of the legislation was the most poingant thing here… it all adds up to a rather disenchanted view of Blair and his cronies, based on a issue that if it were put to a public vote/referendum… there would be a ban by the voice of democracy. This is also a vote on the basis of democracy, since M.P.s are simply following the wishes of the MAJORITY of their constituents.
The fact that M.P.s have pushed through the legislation in spite of the wishes of Blair, tells me that he has got it wrong on many issues including foreign policy, health and education.
I am struggling however to even think of policies that could educate barbarians not to dress up in swanky clothes and chase mammals over the counrtyside.
That said… at the very least I smile when I think about the pro hunting lobby, who are now ‘threatening’ to cause disruption by refusing to allow water and other amenity companies from carrying out needed work or maintainence on their INHERITED lands… Hmmmmm… well all I can envisage in this scenario, is that you may be short of suppiles too! I think it’s called shooting yourself in the foot!
This could easily turn into a ‘them and us’ debate… fact is… if you don’t kill for food, then as far as I am concerned, there’s no need for it. Fact also is, even on your own ‘land’ you are governed by law.
Sleep well Basil Brush and all your mates too!
I don’t support hunting, but hate the way that the Anti Hunting brigade use the class war thing. I know people who hunt and they are not all landed Gentry. As for dressing up in strange clothes, it’s a free country and every weekend we see overweight men dressing up in brightly coloured t shirts to go and watch thier teams play.
Jammymutt I asume the picture comes from an Anti Hunt web-site, so how can you be sure that it’s a fox or that it wasn’t already dead?
As for Basil and his friends sleeping tight, the opposite will happen more foxes will die, they are considered a pest and anybody who has seen the damage they do in a chicken coup will know that they don’t just kill a couple of chickens, but kill most of them, we lost the lot in one night.
The easy way to stop foxes killing you chickens in keep the chickens in little cages in big sheds, but if you want free range eggs etc, then you need to control foxes. Hunting looks brutal to our 21st century sensibilities because it’s high profile, but poisoning animals leads to cruel painful death (read up on how rat poison works) and doesn’t always kill the animals you want. We have lost cats who have eaten poisoned rats. Shooting is not always accurate and can lead to a wounded animal taking cover to suffer a slow death. Trapping a wild animal is also very stressfull, probally more so than being hunted.
I not sure now many jobs will be lost many people who hunt also ride out, but hunting gives them the chance to go across land they wouldn’t normally be able to ride across, so they will most likely keep thier horses and there need feeding and shoeing etc. The hounds are pack animals and will have to go unless another way of paying for thier upkeep can be found and this will also mean the loss of those who look after them. Of course as with the job losses in the Steel Industry and Mines the rural area affected will recieve special employment area status with the cash injection needed to build new industries. this will let the land owners deversify into turning barns into small industrial units and improving roads etc. 
If you believe that then Santa’s coming soon. Because of the NIMBY’s who move into the country from the towns you can’t do anything that might upset them. This includes bands playing in pubs, flying radio controlled aircraft, building new Pig units in a farm a mile from the nearest house or running you haulage company from the site that it has been in for the last 40 years because the planners allowed new housing to be built next to it.
If it was people on the dole living in council houses hunting the foxes its still a barbaric part of our society that needs to be stopped.
Why is there going to be so many jobs lost cant these people keep their horses and still go out riding them, or will they all have them put to sleep because they cant kill foxes?, suits me fine the fewer horses on the roads the better.
If foxes need to be culled there is surely a btter way than chasing them with a pack of dogs and horses, shooting them would be a far better way to control them, and dont give me that old chestnut about wounding them and being cruel.
The fact is that savagely hunting them with a pack of dogs is just not right in todays society.
Is this a better picture for you?.
A picture’s worth a thousand words… nothing more really needs to be said, does it?
It will be amusing to enforce.
It will be proved illegal, because the Parlament Act 1949 was never ratified by the Lords.
Lamping is dangerous as you probably have heard two people have been killed whilst lamping this year.
Farmers arent stupid, we know where the foxes live, they will be gassed, adults will be shot and the cubs will starve to death. If this act does go through, id be suprised if there are any foxes in the next 50 years.
Dan a.k.a Boo:
Shogun,if only you showed the same enthusiasm for your rights for better pay and conditions for LGV drivers as you do for keeping fox hunting going
Believe me I do. I was shop steward at my last company, we had the pay and conditions that we had a waiting list for Drivers waiting to join the company until we were taken over and closed down!
I,also don’t agree with boxing,look what happened to Michael Watson 13 years ago,and he wasn’t killed,he is still suffering to this day.
Agree
There is no justification for fox hunting in the 21st century,as it is mostly done now purely for pleasure,or as you call it, a "sport ".
Not at all it all tied in with controlling the fox population, countryside management, etc.
Wake up and smell the coffee (no reference to you Neil
To all…
I am basing all my above posts on facts…things I KNOW rather than things I have been told about by slightly biased animal rights extremists. If I want to know more about something then I go out & see it for myself…not rely on a biased opinion of a 3rd party. Therefore I can safely tell you that whoever tells you hunting is cruel and that foxes suffer lingering deaths is talking (zb) . I know this because I have been there…seen it for myself .
Dave
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mrs mix
jammymutt:
If it was people on the dole living in council houses hunting the foxes its still a barbaric part of our society that needs to be stopped.
I’m not on the dole and NEVER have been.
Why is there going to be so many jobs lost cant these people keep their horses and still go out riding them, or will they all have them put to sleep because they cant kill foxes?, suits me fine the fewer horses on the roads the better.
One simple reason, they would have nowhere to hunt.
Farmers mainly only allow the hunt on their land to control the foxes, if they aren’t doing that job then why have them on your land
If foxes need to be culled there is surely a btter way than chasing them with a pack of dogs and horses, shooting them would be a far better way to control them, and dont give me that old chestnut about wounding them and being cruel.
See one of my earlier posts as to the options for controlling the fox population.
Is this a better picture for you?.
The image is from the Hunt saboteurs website so how accurate would it be■■?
Dave
shogun:
I am basing all my above posts on facts…things I KNOW rather than things I have been told about by slightly biased animal rights extremists. If I want to know more about something then I go out & see it for myself…not rely on a biased opinion of a 3rd party. Therefore I can safely tell you that whoever tells you hunting is cruel and that foxes suffer lingering deaths is talking [zb] . I know this because I have been there…seen it for myself .Dave
And as an ex hunt sab in Glasgow when i was a teenager i can tell you what i have seen and its not very pretty having been whipped form ■■■■■■■■■ on horses i can assure you it is not a nice bloodsport.
And what happens to the corpse after your pack of wild animals have finished culling it??
Lets look at this a bit closer…
Livestock is slaughtered solely and purley for food ie beef chicken lamb etc…
Wild animals such as Badgers,pheasants and foxes too lose their lives due to unfortunate accidents ie being hit by a car at night.
Thats what these are,UNFORTUNATE, Fox Hunting is not an unfortunate accident ,
Control the fox population?? Why? Why not control the canine population,as this country is overcrowded with dogs.
Countryside management?? Do me a favour.
If you lot are that good at hunting and want it kept,why hasn’t Blair enlisted you lot to go and find Bin Laden?? I’m sure you’d flush him out in no time.
I don’t really care what you have seen or what you know, but if that’s the sort of thing you enjoy seeing/doing, then you have one seriously twisted sense of entertainment.
Dan.
jammymutt:
And as an ex hunt sab in Glasgow when i was a teenager i can tell you what i have seen and its not very pretty having been whipped form [zb] on horses i can assure you it is not a nice bloodsport.
After nearly fifty years of hunting/shooting I for one have my views and I respect the rest of you for yours. As to my prediction as to where this will all end I see on the hunt saboteurs website the next on the list is Angling with ways to disrupt peoples fishing.
It’s a very emotive issue and one that folks just have to agree to disagree on.
Dave