Carryfast:
It’s those ‘numpties’ who cause the number 2 situation and it’s the idea of using that so called simple number 2 rule in that case that just makes matters worse so the advanced lot are just as bad as those numpties who zb’d it all up in the first place.
If a driver does the number 2 in a number 1 situation then, unless it’s a blue lighter, they certainly are not advanced driving and would fail an advnacved driving test for doing so. I hope that clears that up for you?
HK makes some very good valid points
Clear as mud ROG.
If I’ve read it right I thought that the advanced lot are saying that they agree that it’s the numpties who cause a mile long traffic jam at every lane closure but it’s then ok for every one else to turn it into a two or three mile long one by following the zb’s to within less than 200 yds of the cones once the jam has been started by them.
Carryfast:
It’s those ‘numpties’ who cause the number 2 situation and it’s the idea of using that so called simple number 2 rule in that case that just makes matters worse so the advanced lot are just as bad as those numpties who zb’d it all up in the first place.
If a driver does the number 2 in a number 1 situation then, unless it’s a blue lighter, they certainly are not advanced driving and would fail an advnacved driving test for doing so. I hope that clears that up for you?
HK makes some very good valid points
Clear as mud ROG.
If I’ve read it right…:
To be fair, it is doubtful you’ve read it right as from reading your posts on various threads it is clear you seldom do.
Carryfast:
It’s those ‘numpties’ who cause the number 2 situation and it’s the idea of using that so called simple number 2 rule in that case that just makes matters worse so the advanced lot are just as bad as those numpties who zb’d it all up in the first place.
If a driver does the number 2 in a number 1 situation then, unless it’s a blue lighter, they certainly are not advanced driving and would fail an advnacved driving test for doing so. I hope that clears that up for you?
HK makes some very good valid points
Clear as mud ROG.
If I’ve read it right…:
To be fair, it is doubtful you’ve read it right as from reading your posts on various threads it is clear you seldom do.
The more I read of the advanced driving ideas the more I think that they are all just having a laugh.But I 'm sure that I’ve understood that number 1 and number 2 rule correctly in that it’s just saying that if the numpties cause a jam by running up to the cones and then braking to merge before they hit them then everyone else should then follow them.
I cannot believe anyone would engage in any kind of dialogue with Currywurst, he strikes me as the kind of bloke who would have people jumping through closed windows when they see him coming at an RDC.
P.S. The Road Warrior at 31seconds in the latest video looks very much like Emyr Evans tractors wagon, clearly doesn’t get out much…
I love the fact that since getting grief in previous threads about his lack of truck driving experience in the North American & European winters he kept rattling on about Carryfast now seems to be going on about his extensive Continental driving experience in his big powerful car! Although the continent he claims to know so well is not one I recognise to be honest.
switchlogic:
Carryfast now seems to be going on about his extensive Continental driving experience in his big powerful car! Although the continent he claims to know so well is not one I recognise to be honest.
Is it just me or does anyone else have an image of Carryfast’s car having pedals? And I don’t mean accelerator, brake and clutch.
Also, when he gets out and closes the door various panels fall off and a boxing glove comes out from the grille.
switchlogic:
I love the fact that since getting grief in previous threads about his lack of truck driving experience in the North American & European winters he kept rattling on about Carryfast now seems to be going on about his extensive Continental driving experience in his big powerful car! Although the continent he claims to know so well is not one I recognise to be honest.
Probably because you have’nt seen enough of it to have been overtaken by anyone who knows the place better than you do.There’s some truck drivers in these videos who would disagree with you and the average Brit advanced lane closure warning and advanced driving standards just don’t cut it at 170+.But it’s not surprising that any ex Brit traffic copper or many Brit truck drivers ever drive anything at the type of speeds where they’d understand that.But at least the 550 driver did’nt end up on the front pages of the national newspapers as public enemy number one like even driving at 60 mph slower on the M40 would have done here.
switchlogic:
No of course Carryfast I never get to drive on the Continent, I bow down to your superior knowledge whilst driving round in your ■■■■■ extension.
are you getting the sarcasm here?
I’ve often thought of saying exactly the same thing every time that I hear some ex traffic copper going on about how driving a mickey mouse police car at around 160 max on the M1 makes him an expert on how to drive everything everywhere but even after all that he still can’t understand why we need more advanced warning of lane closures and better training for drivers in how to merge safely instead of just yet more dumbed down driving standards and speed limits.
Carryfast:
‘…There’s a big difference between Brit boy racers… and the Clarkson lot …they can’t understand the meaning of lane discipline and no overtaking signs.It’s the type of patience that you’ll only understand …’ etc
Sorry to precis such bits so randomly, but I understand those points to illustrate how as a nation we are paying the price for now witnessing shabby zip-merging behaviour.
My argument is that they combine to illustrate that the UK is a largely untrained (beyond test) and worryingly* diverse society that happens to also be poorly directed by government which, unlike a lot of political forces continental Europe, doesn’t see social grace as a priority.
Why worryingly? How many cabbies demonstrate decent driving skills - and how many of those supposed professionals passed a test in this country - let alone this continent?
Racist! Though I swear one of the big problems with London is the seemingly large number of foreigners who are clueless about the law and just how to drive in general:- foreign drivers I should say.
Carryfast:
‘…There’s a big difference between Brit boy racers… and the Clarkson lot …they can’t understand the meaning of lane discipline and no overtaking signs.It’s the type of patience that you’ll only understand …’ etc
Sorry to precis such bits so randomly, but I understand those points to illustrate how as a nation we are paying the price for now witnessing shabby zip-merging behaviour.
My argument is that they combine to illustrate that the UK is a largely untrained (beyond test) and worryingly* diverse society that happens to also be poorly directed by government which, unlike a lot of political forces continental Europe, doesn’t see social grace as a priority.
Why worryingly? How many cabbies demonstrate decent driving skills - and how many of those supposed professionals passed a test in this country - let alone this continent?
It’s not the test that’s the issue it’s just common sense and all the training in the world won’t provide it if it’s not there to start with .Which is why you can put one person,who did the same British test as everyone else,in a car capable of well over 150 mph,who’ll be able to handle it and won’t crash it driving the thing flat out on a German autobahn,while another person is a danger to themselves and everyone else at under 70 mph on a British motorway .
But on the subject of immigrant drivers it would be interesting to see how the average Jap car driving ethnic asian Bradford taxi driver would get on with driving that Ferrari 550 or AMG Merc flat out in the way that those ethnic european drivers seemed to be happy enough doing and it would be even more interesting to see how that ethnic Asian taxi driver,or ROG , would handle a possible lane closure or two that may be ahead of him at that speed.
Carryfast:
‘…It’s not the test that’s the issue it’s just common sense … all the training in the world won’t provide it if it’s not there to start with…’
Either something is common or it isn’t.
I’m arguing that ‘…common sense…’ is a myth which doesn’t exist. However, being trained or otherwise co-erced to a defined or common standard, ie, proper behaviour when zip-merging can be done.
Therefore, to get everyone to an agreed standard - of zipping or anything else, there needs to be either a legislated, a trained or some other method (?) introduced to get the practice into people’s heads before any common benefit can emerge.
But successive UK governments have proven themselves uninterested in promoting such niceties, liberally preferring to let ‘market forces’ dictate and hence why behaviour on the roads is a Dogs Dinner of standards .
Carryfast:
‘…It’s not the test that’s the issue it’s just common sense … all the training in the world won’t provide it if it’s not there to start with…’
Either something is common or it isn’t.
I’m arguing that ‘…common sense…’ is a myth which doesn’t exist. However, being trained or otherwise co-erced to a defined or common standard, ie, proper behaviour when zip-merging can be done.
Therefore, to get everyone to an agreed standard - of zipping or anything else, there needs to be either a legislated, a trained or some other method (?) introduced to get the practice into people’s heads before any common benefit can emerge.
But successive UK governments have proven themselves uninterested in promoting such niceties, liberally preferring to let ‘market forces’ dictate and hence why behaviour on the roads is a Dogs Dinner of standards .
It aint Rocket Science.
It ain’t rocket science because it’s common sense.
But the best legislation that they could make in this case would be to put out no overtaking signs and wicket signs long before the lane closures then everyone could get in the correct lane long before the point where everyone has to merge at crawling speed because the lot in the closed lane have run out of road.
Anyone then holding up the traffic by trying to merge too late should face a charge of failure to comply with road signs.
Carryfast:
‘…It ain’t rocket science because it’s common sense…’
Here’s an an advocate believing that there is commonality within diversity. How does that work when society is at each others throats then?
If sense was as common as suggested (ie ‘common sense’) there would be no need for this thread because we’d all share the same common standards - or is one suggesting that everyone should think like you?
Carryfast:
‘…the best legislation that they could make in this case would be to put out no overtaking signs and wicket signs long before the lane closures then everyone could get in the correct lane long before the point where everyone has to merge at crawling speed because the lot in the closed lane have run out of road…’
Have a chat - that would require leadership. Besides, the argument suggests that if lanes were cut down ‘…long before…’ they needed to be then surely it also suggests that the nation currently has excess lane space? Do you throw out your winter jacket at the first glimpse of warmth every springtime?
Happy Keith:
Do you throw out your winter jacket at the first glimpse of warmth every springtime?
I guess he does, and relies on his tin foil hat to keep him warm.
And probably in full accordance with a Cameron endorsed Brussels Directive which no-one democratically wanted or needed. After all, that would be ‘common’ too
Carryfast:
But the best legislation that they could make in this case would be to put out no overtaking signs and wicket signs long before the lane closures then everyone could get in the correct lane long before the point where everyone has to merge at crawling speed because the lot in the closed lane have run out of road.
Anyone then holding up the traffic by trying to merge too late should face a charge of failure to comply with road signs.
You still don’t get it do you?
The drivers on the left have to allow overtaking drivers on the right to merge at any point before the closure, even if they THINK the drivers on the right are very naughty by using all the road.
Merging works UNTIL the drivers on the left refuse to leave gaps.
