How quickly can you use up your 4.5 driving?

[8wheels]

Having just spent an hour and half shuffling along the M25 trying to escape at J28 my tacho has robbed me of loads of time and put me over my 4.5hr driving period

I was wondering how quickly you could use up your 4.5hr driving period if you were stuck in heavy traffic.

Also what is the legal situation if you go over hours when you clearly haven’t done it?

[44_tonne_ton]

Do a print out as soon as you get parked up and write an explanation on the back. If you don’t do it at the time you can’t do it later. And keep it safe for the next month!

[tdl102]

“How quickly can you use up your 4.5 driving?” - probably in about 4 and a half hours I should imagine, that or you have a time machine.

[del949]

Pedantic point

you can use up your 4.5 hours quicker if you have an early digi tacho and just do stop/start moves where 30 secs count as 1 minute.

[ollienotts]

del949:
Pedantic point

you can use up your 4.5 hours quicker if you have an early digi tacho and just do stop/start moves where 30 secs count as 1 minute.

No you can’t, it has been debated god know how many times on here. It will round up to the next minute yes but it is not possible for any digi tacho to show more then 1 hour driving in 1 hour or 4.5 hours in 4.5 hours. If it is then it is faulty.

[smashedcrabface]

TDL102:
“How quickly can you use up your 4.5 driving?” - probably in about 4 and a half hours I should imagine, that or you have a time machine.

+1

The only way to get around is to launch your vehicle into space and quickly orbit the earth against it’s rotation a few times like Superman did. You’re not going to be able to do that though because you’re stuck in traffic.

8wheels:
I was wondering how quickly you could use up your 4.5hr driving period if you were stuck in heavy traffic.

How long is a piece of string? One thing’s for sure, it won’t be any less than four and a half hours.

I hope this helps.

[bikemonkey]

OllieNotts:

del949:
Pedantic point

you can use up your 4.5 hours quicker if you have an early digi tacho and just do stop/start moves where 30 secs count as 1 minute.

No you can’t, it has been debated god know how many times on here. It will round up to the next minute yes but it is not possible for any digi tacho to show more then 1 hour driving in 1 hour or 4.5 hours in 4.5 hours. If it is then it is faulty.

Exactly!!! and being in charge of the vehicle in traffic shuffling along constitutes driving stop/start or not anyway.
they will only rob you of time if you stop and then move again in under 3 minutes.
When I used to queue on the docks I would always wait for 3 minutes before each move as it would only use 1 minute up each time you moved if your move was less than a minute of course
The drivers who think they rob you of minutes whilst stuck in an traffic jam are IDIOTS!!!

[del949]

It was a funny…no need to go for the jugular

[mr_b]

I’ve just been discussing this with a mate. I’ve got a new tacho that doesn’t rob minutes he’s got an old one that does yet he’ll be having a cold beer before me! You can shove the new accurate tachos as far as I’m concerned

[wilbur]

8wheels:
Having just spent an hour and half shuffling along the M25 trying to escape at J28 my tacho has robbed me of loads of time and put me over my 4.5hr driving period

Are you saying that it recorded the 1.5hrs of shuffling as 1.5hrs of driving, when you hoped it would have recorded it as, say, 1 hr of driving and 1/2hr of other-work?

If you’re saying that it recorded more than 1.5hr of driving when you were only shuffling for 1.5hr, then I’d be really, really, interested to look at the download file of your card, if you’re able to get it.

[del949]

No you can’t, it has been debated god know how many times on here. It will round up to the next minute yes but it is not possible for any digi tacho to show more then 1 hour driving in 1 hour or 4.5 hours in 4.5 hours. If it is then it is faulty

just given this some more thought in regards to the OP.

While it may be true that the tacho will not show MORE than 4.5 hours driving in 4.5 hours time, it will however show 4.5 hours in less than 4.5 hours.
eg. drive for 4 hours 29 mins, stop and then drive for 10secs
total drive 4hrs 29mins 10secs, tacho will show 4.5 hours, yes?

the same would apply to 1 hr segments, 59mins 10 secs will be recorded as 1hr.

(it’s a slow day over here!!)

[ovlov_jay]

I can use up a 4.5 drive in 270 mins

[winseer]

Sitting in the tip queue at palletways lichfield.

3.5hours which you’re TOLD you can have as POA.

No you can’t - you’re stop-starting all the time!
It took me 4hr20 to bloody well get there, so the only option you’ve got to be legal is pull out of the queue for a 45, get back in the queue, wait the remaining time to be tipped, and by the time you’ve done that, you’ll need a second 45 before leaving, and if you get mucked about in the backload queue, a THIRD 45 on the way backto base, in my case at clacket lane only half hour from home! (9:50 driving total)

[bald_bloke]

Mr B:
I’ve just been discussing this with a mate. I’ve got a new tacho that doesn’t rob minutes he’s got an old one that does yet he’ll be having a cold beer before me! You can shove the new accurate tachos as far as I’m concerned

These tachos can work for and/or against you, I was on break the other week and I had to move my truck about 50 yards and it still showed up as break after.

[winseer]

What kind of tacho is that?

Every motor I’ve driven changes the mode off break to “driving” the moment you start to trundle…
Even paper ones leave a tiny trace to show that a break was interrupted…

[kerbdog]

they don’t immedietly change back from the driving mode when you stop though, which all adds up time. They should be a lot more accurate, especially being digital. It’s a wonder they are allowed by law

[wilbur]

Winseer:
What kind of tacho is that?

Every motor I’ve driven changes the mode off break to “driving” the moment you start to trundle…
Even paper ones leave a tiny trace to show that a break was interrupted…

Digital tachos record things minute by minute. On an ‘old’ one, if there’s any driving at all in a minute, then the whole minute is considered to be driving.
The newer digital tachos record a minute as whatever mode it was in for the most time in the minute. (e.g. if you do 31s of driving, then it’s a ‘driving minute’, but if you do 31s of other-work and 29s of driving, then it’s an ‘other-work minute’.)

rha.uk.net/docs/newsletters/ … 201266.pdf

[bald_bloke]

bald bloke:
These tachos can work for and/or against you, I was on break the other week and I had to move my truck about 50 yards and it still showed up as break after

Winseer:
What kind of tacho is that?

Every motor I’ve driven changes the mode off break to “driving” the moment you start to trundle…
Even paper ones leave a tiny trace to show that a break was interrupted…

I would have to put it back onto rest because those 10 seconds or so of driving would have put it in drive mode, but because it wasn’t long enough to register as driving it assumed i kept it on rest.

[topmixer11]

Mr B:
I’ve just been discussing this with a mate. I’ve got a new tacho that doesn’t rob minutes he’s got an old one that does yet he’ll be having a cold beer before me! You can shove the new accurate tachos as far as I’m concerned

AGREED LESS WORK FOR US OLD STYLERS COS WE GET USED UP QUICKER

[8wheels]

Well I can’t be certain of what it did exactly, it’s just that the short bursts of driving certainly didn’t equate to an hours worth of movement which is roughly what the machine took. Each movement forwards was about 5 -10 seconds followed by a up to 2 or 3 minutes of waiting for the next instalment.

I’m not massively up on tacho regs as the only bit I ever have to worry about is to stop before doing 4.5h and usually max out at about 7 hours driving in a day. Minimum daily / weekly rest periods aren’t an issue either as I don’t burn the candle at both ends.