Hi all I was listening to a radio article where they said that the money available to run the (albeit limited) benefit system in United States was going to run out in 2030.
Yesterday we are told todays working age kids will have to work to 75 - 81.
I know it’s all based on a pyramid scheme and don’t personally expect to receive a state pension in 20 years nor for the NHS to be around in its existing form for my old age.
Thoughts…
CHAINSAW:
Hi all I was listening to a radio article where they said that the money available to run the (albeit limited) benefit system in United States was going to run out in 2030.
Yesterday we are told todays working age kids will have to work to 75 - 81.
I know it’s all based on a pyramid scheme and don’t personally expect to receive a state pension in 20 years nor for the NHS to be around in its existing form for my old age.
Thoughts…
You’re paying for your parents, your kids are paying for you. How old will my generations children have to work? Unless we’ve moved past the concept of money.
The whole government finances are one big ponzi scheme, all each successive government keeps doing is pushing the problem down the line a bit, until one day the whole house of cards is going to come crashing down.
Meanwhile, the heads of this ponzi scheme (MPs) have just given themselves a 10% payrise, which boosts their FINAL SALARY pension by £50,000…
el_presidente:
Meanwhile, the heads of this ponzi scheme (MPs) have just given themselves a 10% payrise, which boosts their FINAL SALARY pension by £50,000…
Be fair, you need to pay good money to attract the best people…
In that case the present sorry lot should be getting sweet ■■■■ all !
scaniason:
el_presidente:
Meanwhile, the heads of this ponzi scheme (MPs) have just given themselves a 10% payrise, which boosts their FINAL SALARY pension by £50,000…Be fair, you need to pay good money to attract the best people…
ON a serious note, in my humble opinion, politics and fat pay cheques should be separated. If someone is attracted to politics because of a fat wage packet, they should be the last to be considered fit.
Chasing money never ends - the ideal candidate would be sustained, nothing more or less. Their motivation should be the betterment of us all, not the pursuit of personal wealth, position or glory.
Absolutely agree - they all trot out the line that they entered politics to make the world a better place, then in reality ■■■■ it up whilst trousering as much cash and influence as they can.
el_presidente:
Meanwhile, the heads of this ponzi scheme (MPs) have just given themselves a 10% payrise, which boosts their FINAL SALARY pension by £50,000…
No they haven’t. An independent pay review body which we demanded has decided that. And they’ll be on £75k which puts them not that high up the pay scales for London and isn’t that much more than a London Tube Train Driver, less than many school heads, half that of most, if not all council chief executives. One of the reasons we get crap politicians is because the pay for the position is crap.
scaniason:
The whole government finances are one big ponzi scheme, all each successive government keeps doing is pushing the problem down the line a bit, until one day the whole house of cards is going to come crashing down.
It’s the problem of our age. Right-wing governments and private-sector carpet-baggers filling their boots, and then leaving behind a worthless husk which implodes.
And when it does, they say the problem is that the old functions of those intuitions needs to be abandoned, and reformed so that carpet-baggers can fill their boots again.
And when implosion happens yet again, they again say we didn’t learn last time, so more functions of the institution need to be abandoned, and boot-filling needs to resume again to keep the system working.
I don’t think right, left or centre comes into it, none of them have the guts or integrity to sort the problems out.
Conor:
el_presidente:
Meanwhile, the heads of this ponzi scheme (MPs) have just given themselves a 10% payrise, which boosts their FINAL SALARY pension by £50,000…No they haven’t. An independent pay review body which we demanded has decided that. And they’ll be on £75k which puts them not that high up the pay scales for London and isn’t that much more than a London Tube Train Driver, less than many school heads, half that of most, if not all council chief executives. One of the reasons we get crap politicians is because the pay for the position is crap.
Conor, they can refuse the rise. Cameron said he’d refuse his. I wonder if he has…
We’re all in this together, remember? Cameron stated that final salary pension schemes are unsustainable. That large public sector pay rises were unsustainable.
So pressing on with reform, teachers, nurses, fire fighters, the police, the armed forces, the civil service and now doctors, have all had their pay and pensions cut; or are scheduled to be cut.
The recent pay review of the police recommended a rise; this was overruled by Theresa May, and the Winsor report resulted, leading to cuts to pay, pensions, and other benefits.
The ONLY remaining public body NOT to have pay and pensions cut or restricted … Parliament. Funny that.
But like I said, regardless of what a tube driver earns, politicians should be recruited by their desire to be in politics; not to be a part of the 1% elite high earners.
Just how independent is this pay review body? Is it made up of bin-men, teachers, lorry drivers etc? Or is it civil service drones and minions, looking for knighthoods etc?
Conor:
el_presidente:
Meanwhile, the heads of this ponzi scheme (MPs) have just given themselves a 10% payrise, which boosts their FINAL SALARY pension by £50,000…No they haven’t. An independent pay review body which we demanded has decided that. And they’ll be on £75k which puts them not that high up the pay scales for London and isn’t that much more than a London Tube Train Driver, less than many school heads, half that of most, if not all council chief executives. One of the reasons we get crap politicians is because the pay for the position is crap.
Do you really think the pay is the problem for our politicians? And that the answer is for their living standards to grow even further away from that of ordinary people?
I for one don’t think their pay is too low. The “independent body” just compares them to overpaid and under-taxed private sector executives, and then says that MPs, too, should be over-paid and under-taxed. I could just about stomach that sort of pay for an MP who actually intended to challenge it’s basis, but very few do - most (even Labour MPs) seem to think they’re “worth it” (in contrast to the typical jobs done by their electorate).
In fact the biggest complainers about low pay seem to be Tories, who don’t want the rich driven out of the Commons because of “low pay” thereby leaving their right-wing agenda unrepresented.
Conor:
No they haven’t. An independent pay review body which we demanded has decided that. And they’ll be on £75k which puts them not that high up the pay scales for London and isn’t that much more than a London Tube Train Driver, less than many school heads, half that of most, if not all council chief executives. One of the reasons we get crap politicians is because the pay for the position is crap.
But how much on top of their salary do they claim in tax free expenses to boost their income?
Do you think they get their claim in for PPE? ■■■■■ filters to prevent over absorption of the ■■■■■ they produce…
CHAINSAW:
Hi all I was listening to a radio article where they said that the money available to run the (albeit limited) benefit system in United States was going to run out in 2030.
Yesterday we are told todays working age kids will have to work to 75 - 81.
I know it’s all based on a pyramid scheme and don’t personally expect to receive a state pension in 20 years nor for the NHS to be around in its existing form for my old age.
Thoughts…
+1
Was listening to a call in program yesterday. Caller suggested this government want’s to kill the NHS. Great for fat-cat Tories.
I think we’ll be going down the American way of things; like ‘’ let’s see ya credit card first’'.
Well from what i have read on several web sites ,TTIP is what or how our NHS will disappear or become private , If we left the EU this would throw a very big spanner in the works, Dave, & co wants the NHS to be private ,just like the good old USA , one of the reasons why he wants to us to remain in the EU, Doris is no more than an attempt to distract us same with that bald evil bar-steward Iain drunken smitt (IBS) who has been waging war on societies most vulnerable and poorest, since the con/dim coalition , we need our own equivalent of Donald trump running the show here,
If we keep on with this do gooder, socialist,left wing pro migrant /therefore EU stance this will come about sooner than later if at all,
Sadly none of the wannabe political leaders of the 4 mainstream parties, really care about the masses, they are just corporate shills who will do anything for their own gain, It really would seem that many perished in ww1 and 2 for nothing , well until we leave the EU at least, then old sour faced witch/crout can do one on her eu broome
I recently went with a friend to a place where a private company carry out face to face interviews with those who are not able to work for medical reasons, Whilst waiting in the waiting room there was a polish guy also with another guy, who answered his I phone and spoke in ee, and some local guy , shouted about this saying he should even be in this country ect ect, no one else said a dickey bird, but i couldn’t hide the smile, because it sounded very reasonable to me,
I have had enough of hearing foreign accents when i go out , use public transport this is England or was
The lastest bit of bull crap is from the frogs or one of them that the bias BBC media interviewed saying that the frogs would remove the uk border control at the port of Calais, and this would result in the jungle being in Kent instead , Now do we really think the people of kent would tolerate that ? How long before there was a very big camp fire?
The NHS has a client pool of over 500million people .
This will raise to over 600million when Turkey and Ukraine join .
And you only have to visit , not be resident , to claim a EU health card , which means NHS pays for your treatment in your own country .
NHS is this countries biggest acheivement …
Leaving EU wont fix it …
Staying in EU will definately kill it .
With regard to MPs pay , its not the amount we pay them that is problem …
Its the amount of them . And in scotland/wales each person is represented by a national parliament/assembly representative , + and MEP , + an MP .
Why do we need all these bums ■■
And then there is the house of lords .
The whole mob is due a cull