ROG:
I just editted my last post with what I think we know so far - or not
the would probably need a restricted operators licence
WHAT KIND OF LICENCE DO I NEED?
1.7 An operator’s licence can be issued in one of three formats:
Restricted
Standard National
Standard International
1.8 To carry your own goods in the course of your trade or business you need a restricted licence.
You must not carry goods for other people for hire or reward if you have a restricted licence. If
you do, you could be fined and lose your licence.
1.9 A standard national licence allows you to carry your own goods in Great Britain, AND to
carry goods for other people for hire or reward in Great Britain. Even if you carry other
people’s goods only occasionally, you must have a standard national licence. You can be
fined if you use your vehicles for international hire or reward work when your licence
covers you for national operations only. However, a standard national licence allows you
to haul loaded trailers to or from ports within Great Britain as part of an international
journey as long as your motor vehicles do not actually leave Great Britain.
1.10 A standard international licence allows you to carry your own goods, and goods for other
people for hire or reward, both in Great Britain and on international journeys. Operators
who are issued with international licences will also receive Community Authorisations
which are required for all hire or reward operations in, or through European Union
countries. These have replaced the need for community permits, bilateral permits between
member states and permits for transit traffic through the EU but not permits for travel to
or through non-EU countries where these are still required. See Appendix 12 for further
information.
well folks all I can say is that my employer uses our tachographs.digi-read out
for the WTD, as this is the way which is easy to check and record , it involves less work and is easy to follow and check for any problems, thats his words not mine,
brit pete:
well folks all I can say is that my employer uses our tachographs.digi-read out
for the WTD, as this is the way which is easy to check and record , it involves less work and is easy to follow and check for any problems, thats his words not mine,
there only one prob with using them for WTD and keeping them for two years if you have done something wrong(not implying that you have ) there can use them for there checks to see if you have
They are subject to EU rules and what do they say about keeping records? That’ll be the answer then.
ROG:
Is an ‘O’ licence required for a PRIVATE LGV
A O Licence is required for vehicles which are used for the carriage of goods in connection with a business, whether for hire and reward or own account so if it isn’t a horse business, just a hobby, then no O licence required.
ROG:
Is a National CPC holder required to run it
A CPC holder is a requirement of the O Licence so no licence, no CPC holder.
brit pete:
well folks all I can say is that my employer uses our tachographs.digi-read out
for the WTD,
So yet again Pete you have posted that something HAS to be done, but it doesn’t actually and is just the way your employer chooses to do it because it is the easiest method for him.
It’s perfectly clear, as others have repeatedly said it’s exactly as per the EU regulations.
The driver must be able to produce at the roadside the chart for the current day and the previous 28 days. They then hand the chart to the operator who must keep them for a year.
In this case the operator is probably the vehicle’s owner. The fact that they don’t need an O-Licence doesn’t mean they aren’t an operator.
The point that will catch a lot of large horsebox owners out is the fact that in any week that they drive on a sat and/or sun they also need to fill in charts for their day job on mon-fri of that week.
Tacho is needed when driving
Weekly rest regulations must be observered
A seperate tacho disc must be filled in for every day in the week (sunday midnight to sunday midnight) in which the driver actaully used a tacho. Those cards must have the name, date, start & finish times on each one so VOSA can see the rest periods.
Cards must be kept for 28 days and after that they must be retained for 1 year by the driver if they are the owner of the horsebox.
National CPC holder and ‘O’ licence NOT required.
ROG:
A seperate tacho disc must be filled in for every day in the week (sunday midnight to sunday midnight) in which the driver actaully used a tacho. Those cards must have the name, date, start & finish times on each one so VOSA can see the rest periods.
Not daily rest periods. So VOSA can see the total hours worked and check compliance with weekly rest periods, there is no requirement for them to have a daily rest period on days they don’t drive.
ROG:
A seperate tacho disc must be filled in for every day in the week (sunday midnight to sunday midnight) in which the driver actaully used a tacho. Those cards must have the name, date, start & finish times on each one so VOSA can see the rest periods.
Not daily rest periods. So VOSA can see the total hours worked and check compliance with weekly rest periods, there is no requirement for them to have a daily rest period on days they don’t drive.
Thanks Neil
UPDATED Final conclusion -
Tacho is needed when driving
Weekly rest regulations must be observered
A seperate tacho disc must be filled in for every day in the week (sunday midnight to sunday midnight) in which the driver actaully used a tacho. Those cards must have the name, date, start & finish times on each one so VOSA can see the total hours worked and check compliance with weekly rest periods.
Cards must be kept for 28 days and after that they must be retained for 1 year by the driver if they are the owner of the horsebox.
National CPC holder and ‘O’ licence NOT required.
) there can use them for there checks to see if you have
