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Sums up the agency vs. full time employed pay (gap). Even monkeys are smarter than us :_(
Agency driver should get paid more though, as were not guaranteed work plus we get all the crap units and crap runs so dont see the point of the video
Stupid argument
Permanent staff get more benefits
TruckDriverBen:
Agency driver should get paid more though, as were not guaranteed work plus we get all the crap units and crap runs so dont see the point of the video
Not true where I work. Agency drivers get 8 hours guaranteed per shift, we don’t. There;s no crap units everyone gets a random one whichever is available gets loaded and then the next one that comes in and so on, runs they get the same runs as employed drivers, in fact they often won’t send them to do the hard ones especially if it’s a new agency driver because they tend to f up and it can cost lotsa £££ sometimes. They often have to be double booked because of no shows yet still get £4 more per hour go figure, and if by a miracle both show up one gets to sit in the cantene for 5 hours and gets paid for 8 ?! If they’re after regular work they’d be applying in droves but they’re not
I work on agency. Tomorrow I have no shift. You gonna give me a slice of your pie to tide me over ?
Terry T:
I work on agency. Tomorrow I have no shift. You gonna give me a slice of your pie to tide me over ?
No, because you can a) apply for a perm job but you won’t because reasons or b) you can’t be assed to find yourself other work (another agency maybe since you’re not restricted to a single one??)
ETS:
Terry T:
I work on agency. Tomorrow I have no shift. You gonna give me a slice of your pie to tide me over ?No, because you can a) apply for a perm job but you won’t because reasons or b) you can’t be assed to find yourself other work (another agency maybe since you’re not restricted to a single one??)
Sounds like similar reasons as to why Terry wouldn’t want to top up your pay by £2.
But it was a funny video [emoji106]
ETS:
TruckDriverBen:
Agency driver should get paid more though, as were not guaranteed work plus we get all the crap units and crap runs so dont see the point of the videoNot true where I work. Agency drivers get 8 hours guaranteed per shift, we don’t. There;s no crap units everyone gets a random one whichever is available gets loaded and then the next one that comes in and so on, runs they get the same runs as employed drivers, in fact they often won’t send them to do the hard ones especially if it’s a new agency driver because they tend to f up and it can cost lotsa £££ sometimes. They often have to be double booked because of no shows yet still get £4 more per hour go figure, and if by a miracle both show up one gets to sit in the cantene for 5 hours and gets paid for 8 ?! If they’re after regular work they’d be applying in droves but they’re not
Agency is more than likely guaranteed 8 hrs for the days he/ she attends for work,no matter how many hours they sit around doing nothing, for example 8 on Monday nothing Tuesday Wednesday 8 on Thursday & Friday giving a grand total of 24, where as you are more than likely guaranteed 40 or more irrespective.
Not our fault client books driver but doesn’t have enough work to fill the 8hrs. We’re not going to turn out to get paid a few hours especially when that means not being booked on a job that would’ve had longer hours.
Reason agency get a premium is because even if they’re booked for a week if the client doesn’t have any work for them after a few days they can be told they’re no longer required. If you want that flexibility to be effectively able to hire and get rid of someone with no notice then you put your hand in your pocket and pay a premium for that.
Also when it comes to agency drivers who’ve been doing it a while the client is often getting an agency driver who has a much wider range of skills than their own drivers who’ve been there years doing the same job driving the same kit and often getting a better driver who is able to think on their feet and sort issues out without needing someone in the office hand holding them as a result. As an agency driver it’s usually a case of turning up to somewhere you’ve never been before, being thrown the keys and the paperwork and being expected to figure it all out and do the job as well as the permanent drivers so you get used to having to work stuff out for yourself and think on your feet.
ETS:
TruckDriverBen:
Agency driver should get paid more though, as were not guaranteed work plus we get all the crap units and crap runs so dont see the point of the videoNot true where I work. Agency drivers get 8 hours guaranteed per shift, we don’t. There;s no crap units everyone gets a random one whichever is available gets loaded and then the next one that comes in and so on, runs they get the same runs as employed drivers, in fact they often won’t send them to do the hard ones especially if it’s a new agency driver because they tend to f up and it can cost lotsa £££ sometimes. They often have to be double booked because of no shows yet still get £4 more per hour go figure, and if by a miracle both show up one gets to sit in the cantene for 5 hours and gets paid for 8 ?! If they’re after regular work they’d be applying in droves but they’re not
If you would get more money and no loss of benefits on the agency, its a no brainer to go down the agency route…or am I missing something ETS ■■
thehairyarsedtrucker:
If you would get more money and no loss of benefits on the agency, its a no brainer to go down the agency route…or am I missing something ETS ■■
If you would get so many benefits being full time you’d take a full time job over the flexibility (I want/don’t want this job/don’t feel like working today/tonight, don’t want to work for less than £x per hour, I don’t do multidrops/fridges/construction etc. etc.) of the agency riiiiight?
Agency don’t get paid more than us, about the only time they might draw ahead is if they end up doing 13 hours plus, which is rare for any of us incl agency…
ETS:
Terry T:
I work on agency. Tomorrow I have no shift. You gonna give me a slice of your pie to tide me over ?No, because you can a) apply for a perm job but you won’t because reasons or b) you can’t be assed to find yourself other work (another agency maybe since you’re not restricted to a single one??)
Actually, I only get parity pay, no extra pay including the minimum guarantee. Agency pension is only the basic minimum too.
But I can get by on 4 days per week at our rates and picking and choosing my shifts including when I want a holiday is flexibility I’m happy to trade for secure employment.
I do have a second agency job I use from time to time and we get a few quid extra on that but still below my main job. But I’ve had shifts here cancelled with only a day’s notice. This is what our extra pay pays for.
If you believe agency workers are better off come and jump in, the water’s lovely 
TruckDriverBen:
Agency driver should get paid more though, as were not guaranteed work plus we get all the crap units and crap runs so dont see the point of the video
Where ever I’ve worked the agency get the easiest runs because the company don’t want to pay more than the standard 8 hour rates. I’ve witnessed with my own eyes an agency driver getting a run with a couple of drops compared to a full run I’ve had to do for said reason above.
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Jonbones89:
TruckDriverBen:
Agency driver should get paid more though, as were not guaranteed work plus we get all the crap units and crap runs so dont see the point of the videoWhere ever I’ve worked the agency get the easiest runs because the company don’t want to pay more than the standard 8 hour rates. I’ve witnessed with my own eyes an agency driver getting a run with a couple of drops compared to a full run I’ve had to do for said reason above.
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Its often not just money though, complexity is another. Give someone a simple straightforward run and they’ll be able to crack on with it with minimal training or fuss while full timers who fully know the job can do the more technical stuff.
Ref pay I’ve never ever concerned myself with what anyone else earns. I don’t care and it has no impact on me. The only thing I care about is whether what I do gives me enough in the bank to keep my family fed and housed and keep my wife in a life of luxury because a happy wife is a quiet wife 
I was never bothered by this because even if I was I wouldn’t be able to change the way the company worked or looked at it. The agency was a last resort though because the trucks were always left a mess and or something would happen and they wouldn’t report it because they don’t care. They can get put on a different job the next day and still earn money.
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Going back 8 years or so I was on agency for ages.
My mortgage deal came to an end wanted remortgage.
Went bank /over phone everything went ok.
They asked where I worked I said jark.
Once they found it was an agency they didn’t want to know.
Despite I was working basically fully time.for them for past 2 years had pay slips to prove it.
They didn’t want to. Know.
And worse part was bank said your a high risk at missing payments due to being agency.
So in there wisdom I was put on a higher interest rate deal.
Than I could.of had
It sounds like it is just economic principles at work. Your company has a demand for work and wants to fulfil its requirements. The driver is supplying driving labour and will look to the market for where he / she can get work at a rate the most favourable to him / her based on his / her skill set. Naturally there will be a greater number of drivers interested at a higher rate. The company will set the rate where it believes the requirements will be met.
The same could be said for company drivers. If the rate is not to the liking of the drivers and alternative work can be found, the drivers may seek out the other work.
Usually company drivers have a set number of hours and if not a daily minimum, then a weekly minimum. If on a zero hours contract on less money than agency drivers, there seems little point being a company driver. I thought zero hours was more or less disappearing now though.
At the end of the day folks vote with their feet based on the market. Everybody has a threshold of what they will put up with.
edd1974:
Going back 8 years or so I was on agency for ages.
My mortgage deal came to an end wanted remortgage.
Went bank /over phone everything went ok.
They asked where I worked I said jark.
Once they found it was an agency they didn’t want to know.
Despite I was working basically fully time.for them for past 2 years had pay slips to prove it.
They didn’t want to. Know.And worse part was bank said your a high risk at missing payments due to being agency.
So in there wisdom I was put on a higher interest rate deal.
Than I could.of had
You can get a mortgage based on agency income I believe. You have to submit payslips and they calculate what they would be willing to lend based on what mortgage payments they think you can afford. The income needs to be taxable. Other factors obviously come into it too.
Don’t quite get the logic that someone more likely to default payments is required to go on a higher rate mortgage deal, meaning the payments are higher.
Noremac:
edd1974:
Going back 8 years or so I was on agency for ages.
My mortgage deal came to an end wanted remortgage.
Went bank /over phone everything went ok.
They asked where I worked I said jark.
Once they found it was an agency they didn’t want to know.
Despite I was working basically fully time.for them for past 2 years had pay slips to prove it.
They didn’t want to. Know.And worse part was bank said your a high risk at missing payments due to being agency.
So in there wisdom I was put on a higher interest rate deal.
Than I could.of hadYou can get a mortgage based on agency income I believe. You have to submit payslips and they calculate what they would be willing to lend based on what mortgage payments they think you can afford. The income needs to be taxable. Other factors obviously come into it too.
Don’t quite get the logic that someone more likely to default payments is required to go on a higher rate mortgage deal, meaning the payments are higher.
I know it baffled me you are risk of missing a payment so we’re make you pay more
But as say was about 8 years ago think theaw has changed these days.
They take into account agency gig economy workers etc
Personally enjoyed agency was there a good few years like variety of jobs I was doing. Where was going etc and if wanted leave days off could have it when I wanted not when some office bod dictated or depending on when other staff members were on leave.
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