tachograph:
it’s been implemented in the UK in such a way that the only people who will make any real gains from it are the trainers
Has anyone actually costed that out because from the few I know doing it they say the profit is hardly anything to shout about
add SAFED and First Aid to the available modules
ROG:
tachograph:
it’s been implemented in the UK in such a way that the only people who will make any real gains from it are the trainersHas anyone actually costed that out because from the few I know doing it they say the profit is hardly anything to shout about
Well to be fair, if you was a trainer knowing how drivers feel about the DCPC what would you tell people 
I’ve no idea how much profit training companies make out of the DCPC, but they do have a captured audience so to speak, so I’m struggling to believe that over a period of time they won’t make substantial profits from the DCPC.
Come to think of it, I can’t remember meeting a businessman who didn’t claim to be hardly making a profit 
tachograph:
‘…it’s a nice little earner for the government…’.
Not really true because, at £53m per day to pay the UK’s EU subscription, the DCPC demonstrates how the UK is simply subservient to external bullying that, so we learn here, is doing us professional drivers nothing but wasting money & time.
The Gov’t is nowt but a tax gatherer for it’s Brussels master 
If there wasn’t any profit in it, the trainers wouldn’t do it. I’ve no fear it’s not an absolute earner but I’m sure they’re making enough out of it to justify doing it.
Silver_Surfer:
If there wasn’t any profit in it, the trainers wouldn’t do it. I’ve no fear it’s not an absolute earner but I’m sure they’re making enough out of it to justify doing it.
Which sounds like ‘job creation’ at the expense of professional UK lorry drivers - which makes us servile pawns within unwanted EU meddling.
What about the Eastern Europeans who take these modules?
I did one module and the trainer went through various things.
There were 5 Polish lads there and on one aspect I asked them "“Did you get that fellas?”
They all looked at me totally non-plussed yet they got the same Certificate Of Professional Competance without understanding almost all of the trainer’s English!
Bah 
I’ve always been of the view that training without testing is a complete waste of time, as in this DCPC. Plenty jobs have regular training to keep up skills and remove bad habits as well as giving a chance to update any changes to working practice. I’ve just had to attend courses in confined space & a health & safety touchscreen test to allow me onto building sites, and I clean sewers for a job. My point being that, unless you get tested you take little notice of the class work, unless the DCPC introduces testing it will remain useless.
We FIX it by saying NO 
sorry too many sheep went with it! 
too late, think of the children 
YOU PROFESSIONALS! 
aposhark:
‘…What about the Eastern Europeans who take these modules? … I asked them "“Did you get that fellas?” They all looked at me totally non-plussed yet they got the same Certificate Of Professional Competance without understanding almost all of the trainer’s English…!’
Aah, but ask a politician and they’ll tell you what a wonderful, life-enhancing quality we are enjoying to have Tony Blairs’s (trecherous?) ‘diversity’ thrust upon us.
Why, I’m even guessing that Gordon Brown would mutter ‘bigot’ into his jacket lapel whilst today’s Lib-Lab-Con all quietly hope (during election week 
)that you’ll not notice how dilutedly insipid, pointless & worthless the UK has become as the EU’s federalised non-democracy tramples our experiences of real-life in 2013 underfoot.
Unless I’m wrong, of course 
How do we fix it ?- we don’t .
Nobody cares , the govt is making money from it (good) creating jobs from it ( good ) and in the eyes of the general public big nasty hairy lorry drivers are being tought how to control their 44 ton killing machines ( also good) and we are complying with EU regulation again.
The reality that it’s not needed or we are not learning anything new/useful dosen’t matter - it’s a good PR exercise for the Govt and the general public (look we are training those nasty lorry drivers not to run you down/over at every chance )
And you think they care what we actually think ? If we were supposed to learn there would be a test / exam to pass to show we had been tought something - the fact that it’s attendance based should tell you all you need to know about it - bums on seats = money in the coffers .
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alte hase:
‘… keep your mouth firmly shut … and the trainers the respect …’
The trainers at my place don’t much care about respect since they’re humourously & openly acknowledging:
1 The regular hours with a daily free lunch 
2 The easy life
3 Being puppets of the European Union 
4 Being off the road for a bit
5 Not adding much of value to their student’s professionalism
Ironically, my company is HQ’d outside the EU in Switzerland - where they can squirrel UK profit & avoid EU taxation regimes
If UK was independent of the EU, the Chancellor would be far better enabled to reclaim that ‘lost money’ for UK coffers than the peanuts currently gained through useless Brussels training diktats with those employed being nothing more than talking Powerpoint presenters within an Orwellian, pseudo-training farce
i havent touched any DCPC nonsense yet so while ignorance plays a part in my case, so does logic. how do you spend 35 hours teaching someone who does the job day in, day out? other than an update on regulations, what can you include that they might not already know? companies do annual assessments and updates on procedures according to their own needs plus updates on bureaucratic rubbish. that doesnt leave much for the DCPC to cover which makes it pointless and just another expense. i would rather see something certifiable at the end of it like ADI or SAFED. at least that way the driver gains something from it
After all my ranting and raving on here all it does is pass my opinions on whether you like them or not, it wouldnt be a healthy forum if we all agreed, DCPC trainers are not there because they love there job and dont be fooled there isnt any money to be made from it…they wouldnt do the so called job if it didnt give them a salary, so we either pay up and take the bullshine or dont bother which in my case im not ! i cant justify paying someone good money for something i dont need…yes you will need the training to get the card in your wallet that allows you to drive a truck but just stop and think about it, you have probably as a new driver payed hundreds of pounds maybe into 4 figures to get your licence to drive a truck…the bit payed allready means after you passed your test its useless now unless you pay more money for dcpc…so you wasted your firkin money in the first place ! when will drivers wake up and say no to this rubbish…and why as a lot of mature drivers like myself and others on here pay to do a job we have done for nigh on 30 bloody yrs , ill get grandfather rites until next year or if i dont pay this driver tax im out of a job that ive done most of my working life.
shytalk:
How do we fix the Dcpc? ‘…say no to this rubbish…’
It’s undemocratic federalist ‘rubbish’ too, as obediently supported by the Liberal Democrats, Labour & the Con’s, etc.
Seeing as we’ve a Polling Day (albeit local) this week, I’m suggesting that a whack on the nose to any pro-EU puppet-party is well overdue - and that includes the tree hugging Greens too