it’s not what i was told in court, they wanted to give someone a comunity service order, it was sucessfully argued that he couldn’t do community service as he was a hgv driver, therefore he would not be able to retain his employment. the barrister read a phrase that stated it dosn’t matter whether it is paid or unpaid because of the EU driver hours regs, as he would need to take off 45 hours each week, which would force the accused to break another law. it was also pointed out that he would probably break another law under the working time regulations, as there it makes no diiference whether he is paid or not. then he carried on with blah, blah, blah.
as a result he got a suspended sentence.
which was nice.
If it comes to paying for it myself I am going to be looking for the course that is going to be the most benificial to me…possibly my ADR.
It’s a pity that the operator CPC doesn’t count cos that is the other course I am thinking of doing
Semtex:
If it comes to paying for it myself I am going to be looking for the course that is going to be the most benificial to me…possibly my ADR.
Hi Stu, long time no speak 
As already noted by some posters, the driver CPC is (IMHO) something of a Euro-scam.
However, it’s here and it’s the law, so we all have to get on with it.
Although ADR is a useful and beneficial qualification to hold, there are also some other useful and beneficial qualifications such as HIAB and FLT that you could consider.
Once it’s realised that those qualifications are subject to ‘refresher’ training, correct timing can give even more hours towards the next 5 year cycle of driver CPC hours.
Semtex:
It’s a pity that the operator CPC doesn’t count cos that is the other course I am thinking of doing
That’s very true, and there’s the argument that it ought to count, because an owner-driver needs the operator CPC in order to carry on in business. However, it’s the DSA that we’re talking about, and it’s well-known amongst trainers that they’ll not consider new ideas. Yes, it’s an injustice; but the DSA has spoken, and there’s nothing we can do about their decision.
Here’s another injustice:
If I teach an ADR course and the candidates take the option to gain 21 hours towards their driver CPC…
How many hours do I then get towards my own 35-hour target?
Yes, you’ve guessed correctly- absolutely none at all. 
limeyphil:
it’s not what i was told in court, they wanted to give someone a comunity service order, it was sucessfully argued that he couldn’t do community service as he was a hgv driver, therefore he would not be able to retain his employment. the barrister read a phrase that stated it dosn’t matter whether it is paid or unpaid because of the EU driver hours regs, as he would need to take off 45 hours each week, which would force the accused to break another law. it was also pointed out that he would probably break another law under the working time regulations, as there it makes no diiference whether he is paid or not. then he carried on with blah, blah, blah.
as a result he got a suspended sentence.
which was nice.
My GUESS would be that the time on the community service might be regarded as being MADE to work.
No-one MAKES the driver do the Dcpc - the driver CHOOSES to do it because they need it to keep driving commercially - no-one MAKES them be a driver.
My company pay for mine and I’m starting it on 5th Jan…Got no idea what it’s about or should I say whats involved with it. Is it like doing the old CPC■■?
I am going to do the whole 35 hours in one week paid for via a training bursory from my present employer.
This will then mean my drivers CPC card will not expire(GF rights until Sept 2014) until Sept 2019 
Deepinvet:
. Is it like doing the old CPC■■?
If you mean the operator cpc then NO
Just sit there and listen or maybe join in a discussion
NO TESTS - just attend
content could be anything from drivers hours to customer service or the principals of safe loading or first aid etc etc
I think it was Alf Garnet who said - If you listen, you might learn sumfing 
Big Truck:
I am going to do the whole 35 hours in one week paid for via a training bursory from my present employer.
This will then mean my drivers CPC card will not expire(GF rights until Sept 2014) until Sept 2019
Your DQC (Driver cpc card) will have an expiry date of 09/09/2019 on it
I presume the company will be sorting ours out so I will get it that way hopefully, I haven’t asked about it so have no idea yet.
If they aren’t sorting it I know a trainer who will sort it for ‘a drink’, nothing to attend or listen too. He does ADR courses the same way and has done for years. 
Failing either of the above I probably won’t bother and I’ll do something else instead, maybe become a trainer! 
From initial enquiries it looks like the boss is gonna pay for it but understandedly is waiting til nearer the deadline to see who is still working for him. Makes sense I guess why pay to train everyone now if half of them may have moved on by 2014.
Grayham:
From initial enquiries it looks like the boss is gonna pay for it but understandedly is waiting til nearer the deadline to see who is still working for him. Makes sense I guess why pay to train everyone now if half of them may have moved on by 2014.
Boss could do 7 hours for each driver at the end of every year - that way if they left then no-one would lose out.
self employed. got a few lads together and have already done one module. I’ll just keep going like that, one module per year.
The module was ■■■■ and i learnt nothing. a pointless, box-ticking, Gordon Brown of an idea.
You could get funding for this if you are in Wales or Scotland through the I.L.A. individual learning account. Seems to be a waste of time and money, but keeps trainers in a job. of sorts.
Company paying for at least they’ve gone for it so far, we just told them we needed it and they said get it organised, (the advantages of working for people who have no concept or interest in road transport regs.) going to do the first course at the end of January.
i did my first 7hrs in oct,iam doing my second 7hrs at the end of jan luckily the company are paying for it,because if i had to pay for it,i would have asked for my money back due to it been total rubbish,didnt learn a thing.i asked the trainer,(as a joke)when drivers have completed the cpc and are more qualified are drivers hourly rates expected to rise,guess what his answer was,NOOOOOOOOO.still everybody and his dog are jumping on the bandwagon to be trainers so some body will get rich out of it.
although i won’t be doing a cpc course. if my boss told me i had to do the course and he was paying, he would be told where to go. i have too much self respect to be belittled by these so called trainers.
On reading the last 2 posts, a thought occured to me…
The drivers cannot do anything about this but…
What would happen if there were no trainers ■■?
Would it then be scrapped ■■?
We would simply have to recruit trainers fromBulgarania. Then the tax payers could fund there wives and childrens education.
As I only drive on a part time basis no one will pay for me so I wont be doing it - I have not even renewed my Class one this time (was due in December) as there is no one ringing with work and I have enough on at home at present.
Already done my full 35 hours and it didn’t cost me a penny.
Did 21 hours on my ADR course in November…paid by the dole office…and did the remaining 14 hours in December…paid using my £200 ILA account, from the Scottish Government.
Still no nearer in finding a job though. 