hours question

so in theory

if i start at 6am monday do 9 hours total driving, and 2 hours other work meaning finshing at 5pm (11hours work)

then tuesday start at 5am (12 hours off) then do 10 hours driving and 3 hours other work finishing at 5pm (12 hours work)

start wednesdat at 6am (13 hours off) then do 9 hours driving and 4 hours other work finishing at 7pm (13 hours work)

start thursday at 5am (10 hours off) then do 10 hours driving and 2 hours other work finishing at 5pm (12 hours work)

start friday at 6am (13 hours off) then do 8 hours driving and 4 hours other work finishing at 6pm (12 hours work)

and start saturday at 8am (14 hours off) and do 2 hours driving then finish until 6am monday morning ( 40 hours off )

would this b legal

total of 48 hours driving
&
total of 97 hours for my weekly rest,

just am confused as to what am reading in this topic

mark h:
so in theory

if i start at 6am monday do 9 hours total driving, and 2 hours other work meaning finshing at 5pm (11hours work)

then tuesday start at 5am (12 hours off) then do 10 hours driving and 3 hours other work finishing at 5pm (12 hours work)

start wednesdat at 6am (13 hours off) then do 9 hours driving and 4 hours other work finishing at 7pm (13 hours work)

start thursday at 5am (10 hours off) then do 10 hours driving and 2 hours other work finishing at 5pm (12 hours work)

start friday at 6am (13 hours off) then do 8 hours driving and 4 hours other work finishing at 6pm (12 hours work)

and start saturday at 8am (14 hours off) and do 2 hours driving then finish until 6am monday morning ( 40 hours off )

would this b legal

total of 48 hours driving
&
total of 97 hours for my weekly rest,

just am confused as to what am reading in this topic

Monday, there’s no break, or time for a break, unless you do 1 hr 15 other work plus 45 min break.
Tuesday’s the same, unless you’re doing 1 hr 30 other work plus 1 hr 30 break. (13 hour spreadover?)
Wednesday, same as Monday but with a 13 hour spreadover.
Thursday, same as Tuesday in a 12 hour spreadover.
Friday, same as Monday again.
Saturday, start at 8, finish at 10. That leaves you with 44 hours for weekly rest until 6 am Monday.

48 hours driving in one week is fine, but you can only drive for 90 hours in a rolling fortnight. So last week you can only have driven for max of 42 hours, and the same for next week (42 + 48 = 90).
Due to the breaks you have to take for your driving breaks, you are actually working for 57 hrs 45 mins.
That is fine too, but you’ll have to watch your working time to stay within the WTD average working hours week of 48 hours (spend more time on POA instead of Other Work).

How you get

total of 97 hours for my weekly rest,

I’m not sure, unless you’re adding up all the rest time you take in a week and calling that total your weekly rest, which isn’t the way it works.
Break is when you are relaxing, during your your shift, for 15 minutes or more and your tacho is set to the bed symbol. (45 minutes break needed for every 4 hrs 30 driving)
Rest is when you are parked up for the night, for between 9 - 11 hours (or more).
Weekly Rest is when you are parked up for between 24 - 45 hours, or more preferably, for a long rest at the end of your working week.

Have a read of this Booklet, from VOSA. It’s a bit long winded, but is quite good at explaining what the rules mean. Driver Hours and Tachograph Rules Its the up-to-date version of what used to be called GV262 and has a tiny bit about the Drivers version of the WTD in it too.

ROG:
I may be wrong on this but is the word spreadover a problem here :question:

Whats wrong with the word spreadover ROG ?
It refers to the time from when you start work until the time when you finish work.
Including all driving time, break, other work and POA.
If you do a 13 hour spreadover, you will have 11 hours left for your rest.
If you do more than a 13 hour spreadover, you will have less than 11 hours for your rest, so it’ll be a reduced rest.
That’s all there is to it.
Since the rule change, the longest spreadover you can have, and still be legal, is 15 hours.

Posted in wrong place so removed - ROG

simon cheers for that, i hadnt included my 45min breaks throught the working day but i understand what you mean thanks for that

mark h:
simon cheers for that, i hadnt included my 45min breaks throught the working day but i understand what you mean thanks for that

You’ve got to include them, to get an accurate ‘spreadover’ and or ‘hours worked’ time.
For example, if you also have a break on Saturday, that will reduce your weekly rest further.
If your breaks need to be added onto the hours you’ve given us, your spreadover is longer, so your daily rests are shorter.

I forgot to point out, your weekly rest is only 44 hours, which is a reduced rest.
Next weekend you must have 45 hours.
You also owe an hour, which must be paid back within the next three weeks.
If that week is a fairly standard one, the payback of that hour can come out of almost any of your daily rests.

Questions like this should go in the Safety, Law and Working Time Directive Forum.
You would have had a much better, more easily understood, answer from Coffeeholic.
He would have got everything in one go too :blush: :slight_smile:

haha cheers simon, im not up to scratch thats all, but were i worked we never totalled 9 hours driving in a day as we were only local so i jus knew as basic to have at least 9 off etc and 99% of the time i would b finished at 3-4 pm then wouldnt start til 6-7am the next day

thanks anyways

Simon:
Questions like this should go in the Safety, Law and Working Time Directive Forum.

:bulb: As a Moderator could you move it there Simon :question:

ROG:

Simon:
Questions like this should go in the Safety, Law and Working Time Directive Forum.

:bulb: As a Moderator could you move it there Simon :question:

As a moderator, I decided to leave it here for a bit longer :unamused:
The reasons for that decision were
So that Mr B would find it easily
Because even if I’d left a topic link, the link would move down down this forum and very quickly be on page 2. It’s the weekend, there are going to be a lot of posts and new topics in this forum.
So that others would see that ‘nudge’ and hopefully post their own hours questions in the correct forum.

mark h:
haha cheers simon, im not up to scratch thats all, but were i worked we never totalled 9 hours driving in a day as we were only local so i jus knew as basic to have at least 9 off etc and 99% of the time i would b finished at 3-4 pm then wouldnt start til 6-7am the next day

thanks anyways

No problem at all. :smiley:
It’s one of the many reasons we’re here.

Mr B:
so far this week i.ve worked
Mon 12.5 on and 9 off Reduced Rest = 1st Segment Removed from Screen
Tue 12 on and 9 off Reduced Rest = 2nd Segment Removed from Screen
Wed 12 on and 9 off Reduced Rest = 3rd & final Segment Removed from Screen
On thurs and fri Can i work 15 hours so long as i take 11 off? No you can only work 3 x 15 hrs max
The reason i’m asking my hour guard says i must rest by 6pm which is 13 spread.
I know that after 15 spread my rest is classed as 9 whether i take longer or not so does it work the other way round?

The timer is correct by telling you that you cannot work more than 13 hrs that day as you have used all your daily rest reductions, you elected to reduce your rest after working less than 13 hrs on 3 occassions i.e Mon, Tues, Wed

Ha i did write some thing but then deleted it by mistake, leave it with me and i will do it again lol, that friday feeling.