Can I ask the resident Gurus to looksie at these possible hours and highlight any probs.
Mon 0900 - 1500 5 hrs Driving (van); 0.5 rest; 0.5 OW
Tues 1100 - 1500 3.5 driving (van); 0.5 OW
Weds 1100 - 1500 ditto
Thurs 1100 - 1500 3.5 driving (van) ; 0.5 ow
1800 - 0100 7hrs shift on class 2, max 6.25 hrs driving
Friday same as Thurs
Sat 0830 - 1130 3 hrs driving (van)
Sun rest
Mon start again
I work out that there is 31 hrs driving max, no problem there.
I’ll have 37 hrs work, doing this.
Weekly rest is 45.5 hrs so I just make it there, as this maybe every week, no option for reduced weekly rest (having to pay back).
Daily rest is where I’m coming unstuck between Sat 0100 - 0830
I realise these shifts leave little leeway for the unexpected.
MADBAZ:
Rog, I may be mistaken but because I come under EU regs for 2 shifts then all my driving time (even in 3.5t van) is also counted.
If the vehicle that you’re driving every day except Thursday and Friday is out of scope of the EU regulations, then the time spent driving that vehicle is classed as “other Work” for the EU regulations.
Unless you know different
edit: you’re weekly rest is 45.5 hours so as you say there’s no problem there, 3 days you’re having a daily rest of 20 hours, so if you do need to have a reduced weekly rest you can compensate for it the following week as long as the reduction is no more than 11 hours, you’re reducing the daily rest twice in the week, so you could have a reduced weekly rest of 34 hours every other week if needed.
On the Saturday you finish at 01:00 and start again at 08:30, sorry but that doesn’t work, even though you’re driving a vehicle that’s out of scope on Saturday you still need the correct daily rest of 11/ 9 hours, obviously this will effect any reduced weekly rest that you need to pay back.
Okay, I’ll give you that , Sorry to second guess you ROG, I’m reading mixed EC and domestic rules wrong .
Would the shifts given, fall foul of daily rest requirements especially Thurs and Fridays’ driving under EC rules and in particular finishing at 0100 Sat am and starting work again at 0830 Sat am.
Am I correct in thinking I can record domestic work on a log sheet rather than VDO printouts/tacho charts, and have to keep the previous 28 days worth handy, I’ll have my digicard anyway for the EC driving?
thanks for the patience guys.
edit: no tacho in van… just seen your edit Tachograph, I suspected as much, my current gaffer isn’t going to be pleased at losing me on Saturdays .
MADBAZ:
Okay, I’ll give you that , Sorry to second guess you ROG, I’m reading mixed EC and domestic rules wrong .
Would the shifts given, fall foul of daily rest requirements especially Thurs and Fridays’ driving under EC rules and in particular finishing at 0100 Sat am and starting work again at 0830 Sat am.
Friday 1100 - 1500 4 OW 1800 - 0100 6.25 hrs driving Sat 0830 - 1130 3 OW in the above 24.5hours there is not a minimum 9 hour break - tacho & me both missed that
Am I correct in thinking I can record domestic work on a log sheet rather than VDO printouts/tacho charts, and have to keep the previous 28 days worth handy, I’ll have my digicard anyway for the EC driving?
I think they have to be on VDO printouts/tacho charts
MADBAZ:
Would the shifts given, fall foul of daily rest requirements especially Thurs and Fridays’ driving under EC rules and in particular finishing at 0100 Sat am and starting work again at 0830 Sat am.
Re-reading the times for Thursday and Friday, if the time between 15:00 and 18:00 is rest, then you’re having a full split daily rest 15:00 to 18:00 (3 hours) and then 01:00 to 10:00 (9 hours), otherwise you’re having a reduced daily rest of 10 hours.
You start your shift on Friday at 11:00 so you should fit in at least a reduced daily rest of 9 hours by 11:00 Saturday.
It’s difficult to be precise until we know weather or not you’re working between 15:00 and 18:00 Thursday and Friday.
No work between 1500 and 1800 on thurs/friday, just running round like a headless chicken, to get from one place of work to another and grabbing a bite somewhere in between.
ROG: Friday 1100 - 1500 4 OW 1800 - 0100 6.25 hrs driving Sat 0830 - 1130 3 OW in the above 24.5hours there is not a minimum 9 hour break - tacho & me both missed that
I did miss that at first which is why I went back and edited the post a quarter of an hour before you posted this
ROG:
It’s difficult to be precise until we know weather or not you’re working between 15:00 and 18:00 Thursday and Friday.
, Sorry to second guess you ROG, I’m reading mixed EC and domestic rules wrong 
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