If you run a very tight night trunk and all of a sudden the highways agency closes the"A" road you are using during the night for a month for major repairs
You are running tight as I said, but because of bridge heights it puts over 3 hours because of rerouting on your journey which then will put you over your hours.
Can you sign back of tacho for running over your time because of circumstances or do you need to employ an extra driver
IF the route that you have to use due to the
roadworks is over your hours then yes mate
a second driver is required you can not use
the disruption of a known roadworks as a excuse
the TM has to put two drivers on the wagon to complete
the trip as required by trhe LAW;
willie_mac:
If you run a very tight night trunk and all of a sudden the highways agency closes the"A" road you are using during the night for a month for major repairsYou are running tight as I said, but because of bridge heights it puts over 3 hours because of rerouting on your journey which then will put you over your hours.
Can you sign back of tacho for running over your time because of circumstances or do you need to employ an extra driver
3 hours is a very long over-run time 
I would think that if it was a sudden unforeseen closure on the home stretch of the journey then that MIGHT be accepted as a ‘one off’.
As for doing that on a regular basis then it would be a no, no.
A second driver is going to be needed but I don’t know if that is affected by the WTD on night working hours.
I think you might need to look at other options - maybe a trailer or truck swap 
As Pete has said, they are not exceptional circumstances.
As they are known about because they have been advertised as starting on a particular day for a particular length of time, then the TM needs to run his vehicles accordingly.
If as you say they shut the road all of a sudden, and I read it correct that the diversion puts 3 hours on your already tight schedule, I have to say that to drive 3 hours over your limits of tacho regs could take some defending. Depending what you’re pulling, e.g. high value etc, maybe very exceptional circumstances may be an excuse. But for any other type of load then parking up and having your time off is really the only way to go.
Knowing that they will be in place for the next month after this, provisions should be in place to be able to comply with the law.
willie_mac:
If you run a very tight night trunk and all of a sudden the highways agency closes the"A" road you are using during the night for a month for major repairsYou are running tight as I said, but because of bridge heights it puts over 3 hours because of rerouting on your journey which then will put you over your hours.
Can you sign back of tacho for running over your time because of circumstances or do you need to employ an extra driver
Sounds a bit inconvenient if it’s ongoing for 3 months, but I’m afraid that legally your company would need to either re-route the journey, go double manned, allow for a night out or any other way you can think of avoiding the driver going over hours,
Either way you can’t legally go over your hours because of road works.
If you get held up on a journey for any reason you’re allowed to continue driving until you can find a suitable place to park up and then you’re supposed to park up, there are no exceptions because of on-going road works I’m afraid.
If double manning, how does that work with the WTD on nights if say the total shift time was now 13 hours
I am going to GUESS that the one not driving can be on REST and that time does not count as part of the 10
It is double manned as it is !!!
willie_mac:
It is double manned as it is !!!
As a double manned shift is I believe over 30 hours does this help or is the run to be done within every 24 hour period?
ROG:
willie_mac:
It is double manned as it is !!!As a double manned shift is I believe over 30 hours does this help or is the run to be done within every 24 hour period?
You’ve got that slightly wrong ROG.
When multi-manning you should have completed a daily rest of 9 or more hours within 30 hours, this gives you a spread-over of 21 hours from start of shift to end of shift.
As the journey is already being double manned and still not enough hours then presumably the journey is already over 18 hours total driving or over 21 hours from start to end of shift or over the normal single manned hours (13/15 hour spread-over) so not allowing the journey to be done every day.
Thanks tachograph 