Highest immigration since WW2

[conor]

JeffA:
It’s worse than that - the only positive effect Brexit could possibly have had was a decrease in migration. If migrations going through the roof what is the point of Brexit? All we got out of it was a massive drop in living standards, enormous problems with trade between us and Europe and a recession.

I think it’s time to rejoin.

I see a typical clueless remainer who has no idea what is happening outside the UK has chimed in. Quite ironic you think of Brexiters as little Englanders when you’ve no clue what is going on outside the UK yourself. You’ve seen a positive effect in your wage packet and more competition for you as a HGV driver for a start - the UK has had the fastest wage growth in Europe. UK: Average Weekly Earnings, total pay was £538 in June 2019 and £612 in June 2022. So, 13.8% nominal wage growth over the past 3 years. Realised inflation over the same period was 13.5% - index went from 107.93 to 121.79. So, all together we have roughly 0.3% positive real wage growth. In the Eurozone compensation per employee has gone from 107.3 in Q2 2019 to 115.11 in Q2 2022. So wage growth in the euro bloc was 7.2% over the past 3 years - Germany was actually only 4.2%. Euro area inflation, as measured by HICP, went from 104.8 in June 2019 to 116.3 in June 2022, or 11.0% ■■■■■■■■■■■ Combining these, we find that real wage growth in the euro area has been -3.8% over the past 3 years.

The drop in living standards is being experienced throughout Europe, the average inflation in the Eurozone is just 0.4% behind the UK, inflation in some EU nations is now over 20% and that pales into insignificance compared to what is happening in Turkey. And what is worse is in those countries where inflation is much higher than the Eurozone average and the UK they can’t even do anything about it because their currency is the Euro and the ECB control that and set interest rates, not their own government/central bank. In countries where inflation is lower it’s because of massive government subsidies in energy, such as what France is doing but the fallout of that is much higher taxes and government spending cuts in the future. GDP in the UK for 2022 is forecast to be a 4.2% INCREASE, the economy growing by 4.2%, and we have effective full employment.

Perhaps if you stopped being such a gullible, believing everything you read in the fearporn peddling media and actually bothered to do even the slightest bit of research you’d realise things aren’t as bad as you’re being told by the British press.

[harry_monk]

the nodding donkey:
Of course, the law of unintended consequences means that we now also don’t have enough people to harvest fruit and vegetables of the fields, and that we will see an increase of migrant workers from Afrika and Asia…

There was a time when British workers did this work, I’ve worked picking tomatoes and blackcurrants in my time myself, but it’s not viable to do it now because of the enormous increase in the cost of housing, which is why it’s done nowadays by folk who live six to a caravan.

Much of the reason for the increase in housing costs is uncontrolled immigration. It has nothing to do with race and everything to do with numbers. Uncontrolled immigration benefits the land owning/ factory owning/ property owning class and damages everyone else.

[lynchy]

Franglais:

alamcculloch:
I dont see a problem with the regulated people who come to our shores. They dont really attend University to become drivers any way. Its the young men in rubber boats that we get a bit tetchy about.

MP Tim Loughton asks Home Sec Braverman how a young persecuted individual, with a relative in the UK can apply for asylum here.

youtube.com/watch?v=2NfvkxOkRBE

Get in a rubber boat…ask when you arrive. Most asylum applications succeed, by the way.

And quoting this,as usual.you show you don’t have a clue,these persecuted young men, Albanians?Or the young Africans I see coming n going or hanging about outside Britannia hotel,where they’ve been for at least two years,sports gear,mobiles,no care or concerns over electricity,lights always on in hotel rooms,bottled water n food delivered daily,lol persecuted,glad your so happy to see this country invaded by the scum

[chrisdalott]

[franglais]

chrisdalott:

Speechless?

lynchy:

Franglais:

alamcculloch:
I dont see a problem with the regulated people who come to our shores. They dont really attend University to become drivers any way. Its the young men in rubber boats that we get a bit tetchy about.

MP Tim Loughton asks Home Sec Braverman how a young persecuted individual, with a relative in the UK can apply for asylum here.

youtube.com/watch?v=2NfvkxOkRBE

Get in a rubber boat…ask when you arrive. Most asylum applications succeed, by the way.

And quoting this,as usual.you show you don’t have a clue,these persecuted young men, Albanians?Or the young Africans I see coming n going or hanging about outside Britannia hotel,where they’ve been for at least two years,sports gear,mobiles,no care or concerns over electricity,lights always on in hotel rooms,bottled water n food delivered daily,lol persecuted,glad your so happy to see this country invaded by the scum

Not got a clue?
Here are some clues for you, the Gov official figures on asylum claims.

gov.uk/government/statistic … protection

Most asylum claims are granted. (72% at first try)

Many more go to other Eu countries than come here. They don`t “all come here”.
(And many, many, more are in non Eu countries too)

If asylum seekers are in hotels for years, as you say, WHY?

Either approve their claim, and get them jobs so they can be members of society and pay tax like the rest of us
or
Deport them if they have no right to remain.

Surely it is cheaper to process these people quickly, rather than house and feed them for so long?
As asylum seekers, it is illegal for them to work.

Incompetence on a massive scale by the Home Office.
Braverman hasnt been in post long enough, but she has been there long enough to know what she is talking about. She demonstrably doesnt.
She hasnt`t condemned the huge backlog in claimants, nor her predecessor, Patel. Does this mean she thinks all is well?

[franglais]

Conor:

JeffA:
It’s worse than that - the only positive effect Brexit could possibly have had was a decrease in migration. If migrations going through the roof what is the point of Brexit? All we got out of it was a massive drop in living standards, enormous problems with trade between us and Europe and a recession.

I think it’s time to rejoin.

I see a typical clueless remainer who has no idea what is happening outside the UK has chimed in. Quite ironic you think of Brexiters as little Englanders when you’ve no clue what is going on outside the UK yourself. You’ve seen a positive effect in your wage packet and more competition for you as a HGV driver for a start - the UK has had the fastest wage growth in Europe. UK: Average Weekly Earnings, total pay was £538 in June 2019 and £612 in June 2022. So, 13.8% nominal wage growth over the past 3 years. Realised inflation over the same period was 13.5% - index went from 107.93 to 121.79. So, all together we have roughly 0.3% positive real wage growth. In the Eurozone compensation per employee has gone from 107.3 in Q2 2019 to 115.11 in Q2 2022. So wage growth in the euro bloc was 7.2% over the past 3 years - Germany was actually only 4.2%. Euro area inflation, as measured by HICP, went from 104.8 in June 2019 to 116.3 in June 2022, or 11.0% ■■■■■■■■■■■ Combining these, we find that real wage growth in the euro area has been -3.8% over the past 3 years.

The drop in living standards is being experienced throughout Europe, the average inflation in the Eurozone is just 0.4% behind the UK, inflation in some EU nations is now over 20% and that pales into insignificance compared to what is happening in Turkey. And what is worse is in those countries where inflation is much higher than the Eurozone average and the UK they can’t even do anything about it because their currency is the Euro and the ECB control that and set interest rates, not their own government/central bank. In countries where inflation is lower it’s because of massive government subsidies in energy, such as what France is doing but the fallout of that is much higher taxes and government spending cuts in the future. GDP in the UK for 2022 is forecast to be a 4.2% INCREASE, the economy growing by 4.2%, and we have effective full employment.

Perhaps if you stopped being such a gullible, believing everything you read in the fearporn peddling media and actually bothered to do even the slightest bit of research you’d realise things aren’t as bad as you’re being told by the British press.

The average inflation in Eurozone is 0.4%different to the UK? Fair enough.
So, as you point out some is higher, but as you fail to point out, some is lower. We know that is how averages work.

What is happening in Turkey is relevant how?
Many countries are in a worse financial condition than the UK. With all due respect to them, how desperate do we need to be to compare ourselves to Turkey or WTF?

You compare wages now with figures in 2019.
Good move, it is better to look at pre-Covid figures.

But,

Conor:
GDP in the UK for 2022 is forecast to be a 4.2% INCREASE

From where? Isn`t that an annual figure? Here?
statista.com/statistics/375 … 0in%202020.
4.2% annual increase in 2022, followed by a predicted 1.3% fall?

It is of course easier to grow form a low point, than from a high point.
You can add on 10% from 5mph, easier than you cam add on 10% from 100mph.
The fastest growing economies in the world currently? Guyana, Macao, Fiji…do we want to join that club?

So, look at the UK GDP since 2019? As you use that bench mark for wages.
The OBR report I linked to above shows how well (badly) the UK is doing compared with other developed economies.
They are mostly performing above 2019 levels already…we aren`t.
No wonder we are able to accelerate more, we are going slower.

Ed to add prev post link

Graph…obr.uk/docs/C2.I-1.jpg
From Report…obr.uk/box/the-latest-evidence- … -uk-trade/

[gordon_50]

Just because most asylum claims are successful it doesn’t mean they’re genuine, these people are well clued up on exactly what to say to maximise their chances.

[franglais]

GORDON 50:
Just because most asylum claims are successful it doesn’t mean they’re genuine, these people are well clued up on exactly what to say to maximise their chances.

No one is perfect.

I daresay that some cheats beat the system. Any evidence of how bad this is?
Anything showing if it is a small number of errors, that happens everywhere?
Or incompetence by the Home Office?

[jeffa]

lynchy:

Franglais:

alamcculloch:
I dont see a problem with the regulated people who come to our shores. They dont really attend University to become drivers any way. Its the young men in rubber boats that we get a bit tetchy about.

MP Tim Loughton asks Home Sec Braverman how a young persecuted individual, with a relative in the UK can apply for asylum here.

youtube.com/watch?v=2NfvkxOkRBE

Get in a rubber boat…ask when you arrive. Most asylum applications succeed, by the way.

And quoting this,as usual.you show you don’t have a clue,these persecuted young men, Albanians?Or the young Africans I see coming n going or hanging about outside Britannia hotel,where they’ve been for at least two years,sports gear,mobiles,no care or concerns over electricity,lights always on in hotel rooms,bottled water n food delivered daily,lol persecuted,glad your so happy to see this country invaded by the scum

Thats not the invasion is it - theres only 40,000 coming that way - its the 1.1 million coming legally you neef to start worrying about.

[jeffa]

What was the point of brexit if immigration is five times as bad?

[chrisdalott]

JeffA:
What was the point of brexit if immigration is five times as bad?

exactly

[franglais]

chrisdalott:

JeffA:
What was the point of brexit if immigration is five times as bad?

exactly

The ex-EE block now in the EU have had their own National economies improved over the past years of membership. Their workers, rightly, now expect and get better conditions than previously.
Brexiteers argue we in the more developed countries paid for some of that.

So now some UK “investors” are happy to see a newer source of cheaper labour…

Having paid for the EE membership of the EU, (some Brexiteers argue) having invested in the project for years, now it is starting to come good, now the EE isnt cheap labour, lets walk away from it !

[harry_monk]

Perhaps if the entire eu had been prepared to absorb migrating labour from the former Warsaw Pact countries instead of placing a seven-year embargo on eastern European workers and leaving it all to the UK, RoI and Sweden to cope with, those who experienced over a decade of wage stagnation as a result wouldn’t have voted to leave the eu?

[fuse]

If the eu was so good the remain vote should have won easy ,do not give the Russians the credit for brexit that belongs to the eu it self .

[franglais]

Harry Monk:
Perhaps if the entire eu had been prepared to absorb migrating labour from the former Warsaw Pact countries instead of placing a seven-year embargo on eastern European workers and leaving it all to the UK, RoI and Sweden to cope with, those who experienced over a decade of wage stagnation as a result wouldn’t have voted to leave the eu?

By your argument, most of the EU got it right, the UK got it wrong !

[harry_monk]

Franglais:

Harry Monk:
Perhaps if the entire eu had been prepared to absorb migrating labour from the former Warsaw Pact countries instead of placing a seven-year embargo on eastern European workers and leaving it all to the UK, RoI and Sweden to cope with, those who experienced over a decade of wage stagnation as a result wouldn’t have voted to leave the eu?

By your argument, most of the EU got it right, the UK got it wrong !

Yes, if you are looking for one person to point to as the reason we left the eu, it wouldn’t be Nigel Farage, it would be Tony Blair. Although if the eu were really that keen on “free movement of labour” then the NIMBY thing probably didn’t help with keeping the UK onside.

But either way, we’ve left now and no amount of Remainer salty tears changes that.

[franglais]

Harry Monk:

Franglais:

Harry Monk:
Perhaps if the entire eu had been prepared to absorb migrating labour from the former Warsaw Pact countries instead of placing a seven-year embargo on eastern European workers and leaving it all to the UK, RoI and Sweden to cope with, those who experienced over a decade of wage stagnation as a result wouldn’t have voted to leave the eu?

By your argument, most of the EU got it right, the UK got it wrong !

Yes, if you are looking for one person to point to as the reason we left the eu, it wouldn’t be Nigel Farage, it would be Tony Blair. Although if the eu were really that keen on “free movement of labour” then the NIMBY thing probably didn’t help with keeping the UK onside.

But either way, we’ve left now and no amount of Remainer salty tears changes that.

NIMBY?
The EU had a plan for everyone to open to EE at the same time. They didnt "leave it all to the UK". It was Blairs choice.

Are you saying that those still shedding “salty tears” over a UK national choice, made by Blair in 2004, resulted in a vote, 12 years later, to leave the party that made a better choice?
Yeah…I can believe that.

[robroy]

Just skimmed through this thread at speed, as it seems to have been hijacked into yet another anti Brexit boreathon by the usual suspects.
(Any ■■■■ excuse/opportunity )

So to get back on subject…My take on immigration to the UK is this…

Never had much of a problem with EE workers in the past like most on here (stress I mean workers not the shirkers) as they just did what we as drivers did in the 80s in Holland …go for the mega pound (or the gilder in that particular case) and mist of em had a good work ethic.
IF they actually did hold our wages back, blame the system…not them.

Big problem with the parasitic swarms on boats and those hanging on to truck chassis at Calais, too many of fighting age male contingent, proven to be ex ISIS, and who have went on to commit acts of terror in our country…send them right back to the FIRST safe state they arrived in, not accept that they cross half a dozen more to get here to the land of milk & honey.

Ukranians? Welcome with open arms,.actual genuine refugees for a change.
Just sat in Cafe Nero right now listening to a young Ukranian couple who have obviously been taken in by an older couple they are with, and.trying to learn English.
They are currently showing photos of home to them.
, I’m sat here earwigging , the young lad is telling them he has finally found some work to pay his way, you can actually feel the vibes of gratitude thankfulness and love for this charitable Brit couple…kinda restores your faith in human nature.
Genuine people just like most of us.

Afghans who helped the forces?
As above…not a problem from my own POV.

[chrisdalott]

Harry Monk:

Franglais:

Harry Monk:
Perhaps if the entire eu had been prepared to absorb migrating labour from the former Warsaw Pact countries instead of placing a seven-year embargo on eastern European workers and leaving it all to the UK, RoI and Sweden to cope with, those who experienced over a decade of wage stagnation as a result wouldn’t have voted to leave the eu?

By your argument, most of the EU got it right, the UK got it wrong !

Yes, if you are looking for one person to point to as the reason we left the eu, it wouldn’t be Nigel Farage, it would be Tony Blair. Although if the eu were really that keen on “free movement of labour” then the NIMBY thing probably didn’t help with keeping the UK onside.

But either way, we’ve left now and no amount of Remainer salty tears changes that.

i dont think many people are crying any more. we’ve reached the stage where most are laughing at you now. we’re stuck with it for the foreseeable future, but the idea that brexit has been a roaring success is pretty laughable amongst a growing majority of the population these days. just basing that on opinion polls, posts on this forum and things i hear from people around me, seems like the mood is changing

[robroy]

^^^^^^^^^
Ah, so were being steered back towards Brexit again surprise surprise eh ?.
Well if it’s opinion polls,.and numerous posts from anti Brexit members on here, who drive trucks for a living, then it MUST be true eh?
: ok got it.

And now the likes of you are laughing at the likes of me eh?
Just remind me why that would even be on my radar?
I think most people who have voted Brexit all those years ago have moved on, and see ‘‘The ones who won’t let it go’’ as more of an irritation and a source of amusement,.rather than a body who garner any credibility…or to put it in layman’s terms most of us CGAF what you think or say as you continue to embarrass yourselves whilst in total oblivion as to how you all come across.

Of course Brexit has not ran smooth, of course Brexit has not gone how we hoped, of course many aspects look bad…but ffs get real !!
What tf did you/we actually expect,.when even the actual referendum it’s self was looked upon by the instigator (Cameron) as a formality to us voting to remain.

The populace gave him a bloody nose, he was arrogant enough to be convinced that the terms he had supposedlly re negotiated with the EU would be welcomed with open arms, but he under estimated how ■■■■■■ off most of us were with the effects and policies of the corrupt self serving gravy train that the EU had become.
So after the shock to the system blooded nose he resigned .

Anybody without blinkered vision can see that the govt never wanted to leave in reality, …so do you think they were going to give it a 100% to achieve a successful brexit?..do you also believe in the tooth fairy.

I hate to say it but things will maybe be manipulated towards an aim to get us back in, if that does happen it will be a travesty and an insult to democracy, but at the end of the day the Govt will do what the govt wants to do…as ever.

So bearing that in mind let’s all just strap ourselves in, accept it aint going to be a smooth ride for the reasons I have pointed out…and ffs MOVE ON.