Higher HGV pay!

Some of my close family are HGV drivers and are constantly complaining about the pay and struggles with getting return loads…

This got my problem solving mind thinking… surely there must be a better way! Where the hauliers (in particular drivers) take home a better wage, the middle men are cut out and the companies shipping goods can come directly to hauliers (thus cutting costs).

So I want to run an idea of a service past you all that could, from my calculations, earn hauliers between 10-20% more each year. I want to get some feedback from people on ‘the front line’ so to speak on what you think and also to find out whether this is something you would use!

The idea is as follows…

An online service (website and app) where both hauliers and companies sign up for free, which instantly connect loads with suitable HGV’s (no middle men, no long email chains, minimal communication, just simple and easy!).

There will be an automated job planner in the application. Loads will automatically be suggested based on your drop off location, personally set restrictions/criteria and favoured routes and patterns. Communication can also be done through app/website.

There’s a lot more to it than this, I’ve tried to simplify it as much as possible to keep this message short. To sum up, hauliers don’t need to invest any time in finding loads, hauliers earn more, companies shipping goods pay less and the whole process is more straightforward.

Thanks for reading, I look forward to discussing your thoughts…
Jaytayent

For free?
And how about the loads, how will those be priced? Set rates?

I’m ordering extra popcorn.

the nodding donkey:
I’m ordering extra popcorn.

How much is your popcorn, as i can probably undercut it! :smiley:

Evil8Beezle:

the nodding donkey:
I’m ordering extra popcorn.

How much is your popcorn, as i can probably undercut it! :smiley:

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Google ‘backloads’, it’s a pretty much oversubscribed issue so it’ll be interesting to see how your plan works out. Good luck :wink:

Thanks for the idear, more info please

If (and it’s a big IF) somebody could set up something like this whereas it didn’t turn into another bidding site and at the same time could cut out the 20%ers then it could possibly be very successful.

My only worry would be that obviously and understandably you would need to make money personally from this. How would you do that? Advertising perhaps?

jaytayent:
earn hauliers between 10-20% more each year.

What’s your research behind this figure?

Surely your website/app will become the middleman?

An automated system won’t work theirs far too many variables, why do you think planners are still in a job?

Returnloads.net haulageexchange.co.uk loadup.co.uk truckspace.co.uk shiply.com What will make you different to the 100s of sites already trying to connect companies with backloads?

I’m not against what your doing, I just think it’s already been done, do you have any experience in the industry or just a developer watching too much shipping wars?

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=136725

This may give you some thoughts…

Another good way of increasing driver’s wages, and cutting out middlemen/parasites, get rid of ■■■■ agencies and make companies employ all drivers direct…instant 20% pay raise. :bulb: …I thank you. :sunglasses:

(Chucks in a grenade and dives for cover :laughing: )

robroy:
Another good way of increasing driver’s wages, and cutting out middlemen/parasites, get rid of [zb] agencies and make companies employ all drivers direct…instant 20% pay raise. :bulb: …I thank you. :sunglasses:

(Chucks in a grenade and dives for cover :laughing: )

■■■■ that. I’m not walking another hundred yards through the car park, past the disabled spaces :laughing: :laughing:

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=136725

This may give you some thoughts…

Thought I had seen it somewhere before!

My company is one of the “parasites” and unfortunately you are stuck with us. A lot of companies want one point of contact and one set of prices for their haulage requirements and there a lot of hauliers who could not fulfill their requirements or indeed cope with fluctuations in volumes. What happens if you fail a load (held up at previous delivery or load refused etc). Who covers the load instead of you and if you are committed to the load, but the only other haulier who can do it for you wants more than you are getting paid, do you take the loss (to retain a customer who you may never do another job for) or throw the load back? If we made average 20% on each load we would have retired by now. It’s a good idea but without legs.

Or I could swap my handful of magic beans for your house.

I think the op could be usa based as what he discribes sounds how the job works over there

Thanks for all the feedback, makes for interesting reading (some of which provided laughs :laughing: ). Your thoughts and questions have been addressed below… keep them coming:

tommyboy1289:
What’s your research behind this figure?

This is based on ‘market research’ of self employed drivers. Questions about their pay, how often they have empty journeys etc, then calculated using basic accounting techniques.

As for your other comments, read my below thoughts, which should clear some/all of them up. And no, I have never seen Shipping Wars :laughing: I’m a management and marketing chap, with knowledge of developing and connections in that industry.

I’m well aware of the various haulage exchanges and have spoken to people who have used them, who give fairly negative feedback. In my opinion, their business models are outdated and of self interest… not thinking about hauliers and companies moving goods, theres no real emphasis on optimising the whole process for all parties involved, just trying to shortcut one issue and in reality only driving down prices.

This absolutely would NOT be a bidding platform! The goods company inputs data about the load i.e. size, weight, movement requirements (i.e. pick up and drop off location and timings) and a price is calculated. Suitable vehicles would then be suggested.

With regards to how this would make money, it would add on a percentage (less than 2%) of the total load price and charged to the company wanting goods moved. This wouldn’t be an issue for them as they wouldn’t need to hire as many logistics staff when using this platform so would save them money.

As for load prices being set, they would be set rates to some degree, but would move based on variables (using algorithms) such as fuel price changes, where you can fill up, channel crossing prices, even based on what finances you have on your vehicle. The algorithms would match suitable loads with suitable hauliers. Loads drop into your schedule, ensuring that hauliers always have a trip both ways and are never sat still, empty. The sky really is the limit in terms of the platform capabilities, I believe that a complete all in one platform that tracks and manages every aspect of your business/finances/vehicle automatically and simply is the key.

The real hurdle is that I think the only way that this idea could work is if EVERYONE was on board with it… thats the difficulty!

robroy:
Another good way of increasing driver’s wages, and cutting out middlemen/parasites, get rid of [zb] agencies and make companies employ all drivers direct…instant 20% pay raise. :bulb: …I thank you. :sunglasses:

I agree with the theory of this 100%, but in practicality… smaller companies can’t afford to run vehicles, bigger companies don’t want the financial commitments of running vehicles as they’re practically sunk costs and there will always be some people that want the freedom of being self employed.

098Joe:
What happens if you fail a load (held up at previous delivery or load refused etc). Who covers the load instead of you and if you are committed to the load, but the only other haulier who can do it for you wants more than you are getting paid, do you take the loss (to retain a customer who you may never do another job for) or throw the load back?

Again this comes down to the algorithm. If you can’t make a load (due to being held up), then its the hauliers responsibility to cancel the load (which will then be given to another suitable haulier, no backlash), then a new load will be selected for you based on your new time requirements. As for loads being refused, we would employ support staff that would sort out these issues, reaching the optimum outcome for all parties involved with the load.

Everything I have mentioned above is 100% possible, this is a genuinely feasible idea. But as I mentioned above, the only real hurdle with it is getting enough people on board.

Your feedback is a great help, keep it coming.

What you’re saying is that your idea would work, if there was no competition to undercut your rates.

And there is where it falls down.

the nodding donkey:
What you’re saying is that your idea would work, if there was no competition to undercut your rates.

And there is where it falls down.

There will always be competition who want to undercut (such is capitalism), companies and hauliers that do this only screw themselves over in the long run as they won’t survive. But that wasn’t the point I was making, maybe I haven’t explained it in the right way…

What I meant is that the idea would need large numbers of people (hauliers and companies shipping goods alike) in order to work efficiently, where there would always be loads and vehicles to match together.

If I was to create this platform, would you all be interested in using it, or at the very least giving it a trial?

Uber for trucking? - Perhaps this is something to be added to the long list of “de-regulated small business possibilities” post-Brexit…

Big firms won’t be arsed with such a “clearing system”. They’ll try and make the market as inaccessible to the minnows in it as possible.

jaytayent:
What I meant is that the idea would need large numbers of people (hauliers and companies shipping goods alike) in order to work efficiently, where there would always be loads and vehicles to match together.

And that is where it will fall down. Why on earth would a haulier give any credence whatsoever to someone who, as a ‘marketing and management type’, has a knowledge of the industry that extends to thinking that drivers source their own backloads?

Most (if not all) of the work that you would end up with is the crap that pays absolute bobbins. No haulier in their right mind is going to put up good-paying, valued work on an app that can then be taken on by any idiot, and there are lots of the latter in haulage as I’m sure your extensive knowledge of the industry demonstrates.