I was traveling S/B this afternoon around about 14:10 and was passing the A52 junction for Derby/Nottingham when coming N/B was 2 police outriders in front of 3 military police vans, 2 riot police vans a police outrider behind them and a specialist fire engine at the back.
In the middle of that lot was an Army seddon Atkinson artic pulling one of those trailers you see hauling steel with the curtains that pull to the front of the trailer. They came off at the junction for Derby/Nottingham I wonder what was inside the trailer and where they were heading?
Obviously it was somthing with a high risk of going up or exploding. Did anyone on here see it or it pass them?
Funny that, one of my workmates saw it earlier. Reckons it came out of the Rolls-Royce Nuclear place on Raynesway, most likely carrying nuclear material.
How to spot a nuclear weapons convoy – NukewatchUK something like these??
New reactor fuel transport by road
Reactor fuel for nuclear-powered submarines is manufactured at Rolls-Royce in Derby. It is transported by road to Devonport Dockyard for installation into submarines undergoing refit. In addition new reactor cores are transported to BAE Systems at Barrow-in-Furness for installation into new build submarines and very infrequently to the Vulcan Naval Reactor Test Establishment (NRTE) at Dounreay, in the North of Scotland.
It’s a shame that the public sees all this as “OOooh Nuclear - Danger Danger! - We should be getting rid of those!” rather than “Nuclear. It’s decent peace of mind to know that no nation on Earth gets to declare WWIII upon us without getting a bunch of these up their noses!”
Winseer:
It’s a shame that the public sees all this as “OOooh Nuclear - Danger Danger! - We should be getting rid of those!” rather than “Nuclear. It’s decent peace of mind to know that no nation on Earth gets to declare WWIII upon us without getting a bunch of these up their noses!”
We are inmiddn of WW4 already 
Winseer:
It’s a shame that the public sees all this as “OOooh Nuclear - Danger Danger! - We should be getting rid of those!” rather than “Nuclear. It’s decent peace of mind to know that no nation on Earth gets to declare WWIII upon us without getting a bunch of these up their noses!”
You wouldn’t say that if you had the ■■■■■■■■ submarines and the storage of these things living on your door step.
Immigrant:
We are inmiddn of WW4 already
Say again please 
steelgoon:
Immigrant:
We are inmiddn of WW4 alreadySay again please
Is the word Imminent Bob? 
stagedriver:
Winseer:
It’s a shame that the public sees all this as “OOooh Nuclear - Danger Danger! - We should be getting rid of those!” rather than “Nuclear. It’s decent peace of mind to know that no nation on Earth gets to declare WWIII upon us without getting a bunch of these up their noses!”You wouldn’t say that if you had the ■■■■■■■■ submarines and the storage of these things living on your door step.
Up until 1982, it was on our doorstep. The housing estate not a mile from my house - “St Mary’s Island” is still considered to have a nuclear waste risk attached to it to this day.
What is now the housing estate at “St Mary’s Island” was originally where the subs were berthed among the now defunct Chatham Dockyard.
I was a big fan of the Navy Days as a teenager, and even tried to sign up… Despite the Falklands War (one would have thought) initiating a recruitment drive - I didn’t get in however. 
I then went to college, and studied physical sciences, which included modules taught in the Radiation Block…
Nuclear holds no fears for me. Even if the WWIII broke out - it was comforting to think that living within a mile of a major target destined for a 1Mt+ device - it would all be over in a fraction of a second, vapourized…
The people that would be walking around in the middle of the countryside 20-30 miles away with their skin hanging off - they were the ones I felt sorry for.
The saturation bombardment that would be due to this neighbourhood would pretty much leave nowhere in the south east of England “out of range of all warheads raining down this area”…
That’s just the anticipated Russian nukes there too… If we end up being targeted by US nukes - we’d be in for even worse, as more of them would be off-target and end up being ground bursts. This would lead to less vapourizations and more deaths from the slower methods, like radiation poisoning, skin suffocation, aggressive cancers, and secondary “accidents” aggrevated by otherwise survivorble ailments like Blindness and sterility…
“A prospective nuclear war that is most unlikely to happen, and if it does - is instantly lethal” - is therefore preferred to the slow death of some kind of “tiered” nuclear war where the differences between one country’s arsenals and another - are massive.
Giving up nuclear won’t save us - it’ll just make us poorer in the interim.
Embracing nuclear won’t kill us - but it’s less likely we’ll ever be attacked because of the response any enemy would get.
“Mutually Assured Destruction” still works. The biggest danger is from “lone wolf” terror attacks these days. I anticipate that after the first such of these attacks - the whole country will turn upon the seen-to-be perpetrators, so if it’s Animal Rights nutters rather than Jihadists for example - how many of them declaring themselves to be the same do you think would survive the “reign of terror backlash” that would surely follow a nuclear outrage of pretty much any kind?
Ps. Just because we’re not a functioning sub pen here anymore - does not mean that our traditional enemy that points nukes at us - Russia - has re-programmed the damned things to point someplace else, like Witney, Oxfordshite instead.
Winseer:
It’s a shame that the public sees all this as “OOooh Nuclear - Danger Danger! - We should be getting rid of those!” rather than “Nuclear. It’s decent peace of mind to know that no nation on Earth gets to declare WWIII upon us without getting a bunch of these up their noses!”
Its safe to assume the public is not so stupid as to confuse nuclear weapons and nuclear propulsion .
Weapons are dealt with at AWE at Aldermaston and Burghfield to the south of Reading .
Would be a strange way to get to Devonport or Portsmouth via Derby so we can conclude it has nothing to do with weapons .
boredwivdrivin:
Winseer:
It’s a shame that the public sees all this as “OOooh Nuclear - Danger Danger! - We should be getting rid of those!” rather than “Nuclear. It’s decent peace of mind to know that no nation on Earth gets to declare WWIII upon us without getting a bunch of these up their noses!”Its safe to assume the public is not so stupid as to confuse nuclear weapons and nuclear propulsion .
Weapons are dealt with at AWE at Aldermaston and Burghfield to the south of Reading .
Would be a strange way to get to Devonport or Portsmouth via Derby so we can conclude it has nothing to do with weapons .
Nuclear WASTE is what the public fear, rather than holocaust.
Where there’s nuclear fuel being handled - there is a nuclear waste danger. Fuel rather than Weapons is at the very heart of the matter. It’s not the subs that present the danger - its the transfer of material to those subs.
St Mary Island residents (mostly yuppie-style properties) are forbidden to grow allotment-style food. The soil is considered too contaminated for such agricultural use to this day, even small-scale like growing one’s own spuds… Presumably fear of weapons rather than materials went a long way to selling these crappy properties off at top-dollar prices to the mugs that now live in them.
I saw the comvoy going North on the A34 a few miles from the M40, there was a recovery tow truck in the convoy, it looked quite impressive, like a film, where was Arnie ?
Can’t comment, official secret n all that
Winseer:
boredwivdrivin:
Winseer:
It’s a shame that the public sees all this as “OOooh Nuclear - Danger Danger! - We should be getting rid of those!” rather than “Nuclear. It’s decent peace of mind to know that no nation on Earth gets to declare WWIII upon us without getting a bunch of these up their noses!”Its safe to assume the public is not so stupid as to confuse nuclear weapons and nuclear propulsion .
Weapons are dealt with at AWE at Aldermaston and Burghfield to the south of Reading .
Would be a strange way to get to Devonport or Portsmouth via Derby so we can conclude it has nothing to do with weapons .
Nuclear WASTE is what the public fear, rather than holocaust.
Where there’s nuclear fuel being handled - there is a nuclear waste danger. Fuel rather than Weapons is at the very heart of the matter. It’s not the subs that present the danger - its the transfer of material to those subs.
St Mary Island residents (mostly yuppie-style properties) are forbidden to grow allotment-style food. The soil is considered too contaminated for such agricultural use to this day, even small-scale like growing one’s own spuds… Presumably fear of weapons rather than materials went a long way to selling these crappy properties off at top-dollar prices to the mugs that now live in them.
The thing is they’ve designed one or two reactors that can reduce spent fuel into stable compounds. Can’t remember it exactly but I saw it in a research paper (A-level half term project, write about nuclear reactors). Dead interesting (get it). Not sure why it hasn’t been done? We’re too happy to just bury all the rubbish for the next generation (lets bury the so called “baby-boomers” now, they’re costing us young people way too much jeffing money).
Long term, I see no future. If I ever wanted to have kids I’d feel guilty. Born to die and all that.
Immigrant:
We are inmiddn of WW4 already
What happened to WW3 then?
Or was I asleep for that one 
They did do this htmldude .
Its called Thorp reprocessing plant . pretty sure its in sellafield complex .
Spent billions and didnt work . so they started chucking it down old mineshafts again !
Was wrong above , apparently they do send weapons by road from Aldermason to scotland .
Id always thought they only sent fuel rods and waste by truck , and send weapons via navy portsmouth .
But stand corrected so convoy seen could have been weapons
boredwivdrivin:
They did do this htmldude .Its called Thorp reprocessing plant . pretty sure its in sellafield complex .
Spent billions and didnt work . so they started chucking it down old mineshafts again !
Was wrong above , apparently they do send weapons by road from Aldermason to scotland .
Id always thought they only sent fuel rods and waste by truck , and send weapons via navy portsmouth .
But stand corrected so convoy seen could have been weapons
Windscale>Sellafield>Thorp
The problem with nuclear waste is that it creates a cocktail of different isotopes when “spent” some with short but dangerous half-lives, and others with long and less dangerous half-lives. The nastier ones are in fact the middle-of-the-chain isotopes that will, at some point in the future as part of their decay chain - be some right nasty isotopes on the way. Polonium 210 for example, is closer to the end of one of these chains than the beginning… The chain ends when whatever isotope is decaying finally reaches stable lead of course.
The progressive nuclear science of the future will find a way of using this currently useless cocktail of nasties for fuel directly - so it no longer has to be re-processed at all. If it no longer needs to be moved about much - the safety of the entire industry improves greatly… Think in terms of a “Battery that never runs out, put into permanent place with no radiation escaping…” It would kinda make the Lead industry a lot more lucrative too, since each one of these things built would be a permanent use for that lead…
The re-processing industry as it stands is totally daft if you think about it. It’s like having to distill cardboard because it currently doesn’t burn once it’s been used as a box or packaging!
Winseer:
boredwivdrivin:
Winseer:
It’s a shame that the public sees all this as “OOooh Nuclear - Danger Danger! - We should be getting rid of those!” rather than “Nuclear. It’s decent peace of mind to know that no nation on Earth gets to declare WWIII upon us without getting a bunch of these up their noses!”Its safe to assume the public is not so stupid as to confuse nuclear weapons and nuclear propulsion .
Weapons are dealt with at AWE at Aldermaston and Burghfield to the south of Reading .
Would be a strange way to get to Devonport or Portsmouth via Derby so we can conclude it has nothing to do with weapons .
Nuclear WASTE is what the public fear, rather than holocaust.
Where there’s nuclear fuel being handled - there is a nuclear waste danger. Fuel rather than Weapons is at the very heart of the matter. It’s not the subs that present the danger - its the transfer of material to those subs.
St Mary Island residents (mostly yuppie-style properties) are forbidden to grow allotment-style food. The soil is considered too contaminated for such agricultural use to this day, even small-scale like growing one’s own spuds… Presumably fear of weapons rather than materials went a long way to selling these crappy properties off at top-dollar prices to the mugs that now live in them.
When they cleared the site for st Mary’s island they wher more concerned about asbestos than radiation as it was only low level stuff for illuminating clock dials and handles so was prob no worse than a clock makers dust bin now the left over asbestos for lagging the pipes that was buried was another matter . Quite a few ex ship builders from Chatham suing for asbestosis and other like diseases . But sadly serving Mariners very limited to what action they can take
Nuclear rods don’t move as much as would think stay on site to be used again .
Moved many flasks over the years . Raynsway and sinfin lane