Yes you’re absolutely right, Reading between the lines it all harks back to the Hoi Polloi using public transport, It even said in the environmental bill “We don’t want to exchange 40 million ICE cars for 40 million big BEV’s” 
I don’t mind using public transport in fact I use it quite regular as I only live 5 minutes from the bus stop & a few minutes longer from the train station. I’ve just renewed my free concessionary travel pass for the next three years. 
Juddian:
Hasn’t anyone twigged yet, us of the pleb class arn’t part of the wonderful green utopia they have planned,
You only need to see the dedicated Tesla charging infrastructure already in place to realise that.But the inevitable nuclear disaster will wreck everyone’s day.Even Waitrose needs non irradiated farmland to supply it.
express.co.uk/life-style/pro … ce-warning
Hasn’t anyone told him that the government’s stated aim is to equalise gas and electricity prices to disincentivise the use of gas.18p ker kwh should do it.
It’s what everyone voted for right.
Dipster:
Reports today that the UK have fired-up (literally!) a coal-powered power station to meet electricity consumption due to the price of gas and lack of wind to keep the windmills spinning. I guess there is a plan…somewhere but not, apparently, in the UK.
They must be having some fresh coal in because the coal that’s there is going to be burnt in the tunstead cement plant
Blimey! The utility companies are falling like nine pins & looks like quite a few more before the end of the year reading this piece. standard.co.uk/news/uk/ofge … 3.html?amp
lancpudn:
Blimey! The utility companies are falling like nine pins & looks like quite a few more before the end of the year reading this piece.
Falling more like running and don’t look back because they know that an all electric future is economically unviable for their customers and who gets left with the defaults on bills. When no one can afford Boris’ utopia at 18p per kwh for their heating cooking and transport needs.
The latest glossy advert stating that all our electric is ‘renewable’ with the disclaimer that it all comes from the same grid.So that obviously includes nuclear and biomass ( trees ) when they aren’t burning gas and coal.
Best plan is to unsign the Kyoto agreements PDQ and start arresting the ‘climate’ demonstrators and their rabble rousers like Ed Davey as subversives working for the interests of foreign hostile powers.At least that’s what any sensible government would do.
lancpudn:
Blimey! The utility companies are falling like nine pins & looks like quite a few more before the end of the year reading this piece.
Worrying, been with Zog energy for gas virtually since they started, so long we have an early 3 figure customer number, hope they carry on because they’ve not only been consistently competitive and fair they also have to be the nicest most efficient people running their company/admin its possible to find.
They had planned to start electricity supplies too in due course, we’ll see if that happens now.
Juddian:
Worrying, been with Zog energy for gas virtually since they started, so long we have an early 3 figure customer number, hope they carry on because they’ve not only been consistently competitive and fair they also have to be the nicest most efficient people running their company/admin its possible to find.
They had planned to start electricity supplies too in due course, we’ll see if that happens now.
In an environment in which the government’s stated aim is to equalise the price of gas with electric the small price differences between providers is moot when comparing around 3p per kwh with 18p.
They know that no one can afford to heat their homes with electric.
Let alone replace petrol at 10p per kwh including road fuel duty and 20% VAT with electric at 18p per kwh + taxes.
Their market will be crippled and there aren’t enough lottery winners and people on an MP’s salary to sustain it.
Best to walk away and let Boris and Ed Davey find a way of paying for it all.While the new electric captive market utopia, that they’ve signed us up to, has suddenly backfired catastrophically because they know the wages aren’t and won’t be there to pay for it.
Let alone added to the cost of a large nuclear plant going bang in a big way.
Carryfast:
Juddian:
/quote]In an environment in which the government’s stated aim is to equalise the price of gas with electric the small price differences between providers is moot when comparing around 3p per kwh with 18p.
They know that no one can afford to heat their homes with electric.
Not for the first nor last times wish my late brother was still around.
He used to maintain the generators in central london for one of the big bank’s head office (generated their own power, more reliable), i bet a gen set designed and installed by him running on red chugging away quietly at the bottom of the garden is now more than likely a cheaper way to power your home than the mains.
Carryfast:
lancpudn:
Blimey! The utility companies are falling like nine pins & looks like quite a few more before the end of the year reading this piece.Falling more like running and don’t look back because they know that an all electric future is economically unviable for their customers and who gets left with the defaults on bills. When no one can afford Boris’ utopia at 18p per kwh for their heating cooking and transport needs.
The latest glossy advert stating that all our electric is ‘renewable’ with the disclaimer that it all comes from the same grid.So that obviously includes nuclear and biomass ( trees ) when they aren’t burning gas and coal.
Best plan is to unsign the Kyoto agreements PDQ and start arresting the ‘climate’ demonstrators and their rabble rousers like Ed Davey as subversives working for the interests of foreign hostile powers.At least that’s what any sensible government would do.
They’re calling for all Paris accord members to redouble their efforts as most countries are way behind where they should be The Glasgow COP26 in November will be interesting, The 2025 Euro Cat 7 has gone back to the drawing board for more stringent reductions in emissions and will be revealed then. edie.net/news/9/UN–Climate … Agreement/
lancpudn:
They’re calling for all Paris accord members to redouble their efforts as most countries are way behind where they should be
Meanwhile back in the real world.
theguardian.com/business/202 … ore-winter
No oil or gas wells are going to be capped any time soon.This is all about ‘who’ burns it and the far left’s links with the anything but ‘climate’ agenda are no surprise in that.
So why would Russia want/need to increase exports to a regime which is committed to ending its use of fossil fuels.As opposed to sending it to ‘developing’ countries which have declared themselves exempt and can therefore use it.
The truth is the Fatherland can’t risk another Chernobyl in its own back yard and Boris can’t make 18p per kwh for heating and road fuel + taxes stick at UK wage levels.
Not that the champagne Socialists and their benefits claimants useful idiot followers would realise that.
Carryfast:
Boris can’t make 18p per kwh for heating and road fuel + taxes stick at UK wage levels.
Bozo obviously said hold my beer after that with a conveniently timed ‘tanker driver shortage’.
I seem to be seeing lots of those used Rayburn AGA range cookers for sale on the online sites lately, are the running costs of these now prohibitive to run since Gas & Electricity prices have soared? Being the chief cook & bottle wash at home I always fancied one of these cookers.
lancpudn:
I seem to be seeing lots of those used Rayburn AGA range cookers for sale on the online sites lately, are the running costs of these now prohibitive to run since Gas & Electricity prices have soared? Being the chief cook & bottle wash at home I always fancied one of these cookers.
Gas is now around 5p per kwh v 20p + per kwh for electric.So whatever it is the relative price of gas still isn’t the problem ( so far ).But Bozo has promised to artificially equalise it sooner or later which will have ‘interesting’ effects on the economy, like crashing it catastrophically.
I still don’t regret ditching my electric kettle in favour of a good old fashioned kettle with a whistle on the gas hob ( yet ) and if I can’t cook by gas at a reasonable price I’ll just settle for more cod and chips dinners and a pint for a fiver at the local Weatherspoons.
With the win win of also leaving the heating turned off at home at around £1.20 per hour for gas at current prices, let alone 4 x the price for electric, while I’m sitting there in a warm pub for a ‘few’ hours having a couple more at 2 quid a pint.
But doesn’t a proper Aga run on coal or wood ? not gas or electric.So maybe a case of new opportunist supply to meet new demand.As opposed to less demand.
Carryfast:
lancpudn:
I seem to be seeing lots of those used Rayburn AGA range cookers for sale on the online sites lately, are the running costs of these now prohibitive to run since Gas & Electricity prices have soared? Being the chief cook & bottle wash at home I always fancied one of these cookers.Gas is now around 5p per kwh v 20p + per kwh for electric.So whatever it is the relative price of gas still isn’t the problem ( so far ).But Bozo has promised to artificially equalise it sooner or later which will have ‘interesting’ effects on the economy, like crashing it catastrophically.
I still don’t regret ditching my electric kettle in favour of a good old fashioned kettle with a whistle on the gas hob ( yet ) and if I can’t cook by gas at a reasonable price I’ll just settle for more cod and chips dinners and a pint for a fiver at the local Weatherspoons.
With the win win of also leaving the heating turned off at home at around £1.20 per hour for gas at current prices, let alone 4 x the price for electric, while I’m sitting there in a warm pub for a ‘few’ hours having a couple more at 2 quid a pint.But doesn’t a proper Aga run on coal or wood ? not gas or electric.So maybe a case of new opportunist supply to meet new demand.As opposed to less demand.
I was under the impression the older AGA’s that ran on coal or wood needed to be kept lit all the time! Buying seasoned wood is getting quite expensive so my neighbour who has a wood burner tells me.
Still not got my gas/electricity account sorted out with Octopus energy yet since our energy supplier Avro energy went belly up. From what I’ve been reading some of Octopus energy’s popular tariffs aren’t available to new customers & we’ve just been put on the flexible tariff 19.95p/kWh for leccy 
lancpudn:
Carryfast:
Gas is now around 5p per kwh v 20p + per kwh for electric.So whatever it is the relative price of gas still isn’t the problem ( so far ).But Bozo has promised to artificially equalise it sooner or later which will have ‘interesting’ effects on the economy, like crashing it catastrophically.
I still don’t regret ditching my electric kettle in favour of a good old fashioned kettle with a whistle on the gas hob ( yet ) and if I can’t cook by gas at a reasonable price I’ll just settle for more cod and chips dinners and a pint for a fiver at the local Weatherspoons.
With the win win of also leaving the heating turned off at home at around £1.20 per hour for gas at current prices, let alone 4 x the price for electric, while I’m sitting there in a warm pub for a ‘few’ hours having a couple more at 2 quid a pint.But doesn’t a proper Aga run on coal or wood ? not gas or electric.So maybe a case of new opportunist supply to meet new demand.As opposed to less demand.
I was under the impression the older AGA’s that ran on coal or wood needed to be kept lit all the time! Buying seasoned wood is getting quite expensive so my neighbour who has a wood burner tells me.
Still not got my gas/electricity account sorted out with Octopus energy yet since our energy supplier Avro energy went belly up. From what I’ve been reading some of Octopus energy’s popular tariffs aren’t available to new customers & we’ve just been put on the flexible tariff 19.95p/kWh for leccy
I was on Octopus fixed tarrif which was around 3p per kwh for gas and 16p per kwh electric.
They recently quoted me 26p per kwh for electric and 6p per kwh for gas for a new fixed rate deal.
I took the variable rate at around what you’ve stated for electric and almost 5p per kwh for gas which they’ve said will all increase dramatically in April.
I don’t care because I don’t intend to go on contributing to Al Gore’s retirement funds on principle so won’t be with them in April.
I’ve just received a mail from the boss telling me to cut down on my gas usage.I’ve replied to it with effectively get stuffed if they don’t want to provide gas then don’t and they don’t get my custom.
I’m only running the heating for around 4 hours per day now and I’m not cutting it any more.
As for all electric heating and cooking at 26p per kwh they are avin a larf.
I’m wondering by this point - if there isn’t a gulf opening up between the Far Left and the Greens…
…After all, they’ve been splitting the left vote with the SNP long enough now to keep the Tories in power forever, if they are not all careful!
That Bexly By Election result - demostrated that people on the whole, would rather be shagged senseless financially by the Tories, than pay any Labour-inspired higher taxes…
All Keir Starmer has to do to be elected is actually stand up and support something POPULAR that the public are wanting right now… Such as lower energy prices!
The Tories promised to Get Brexit Done, and they’ve not finished delivering their watered-down version in full yet. They’ve not put gunboats on the channel, nor pulled up the drawbridge - despite having a long-standing mandate to act thus…
Then they expect the public to back them up on another lockdown which has got to be ten times worse than even the most pessimistic Remainer estimation of the hardest Brexit imaginable…
Even back before Starmer was leader - the Parliamentary Labour Party didn’t back Ed Milliband (against high energy prices, if you remember) nor Corbyn a Euro Sceptic who only had to be opposition to Cameron’s Remain stance to get elected in 2017…
Politics - is about fooling the Majority, rather than appealing to the majority, and sucking up to unimportant Minorities, rather than fulfilling promises to those who actually voted for you…
I can see the next election only going Labour’s way - if Starmer is gone by that point, and a new Labour unknown has taken the helm - with a rather more Right leaning as Blair did. I never voted for Blair - but he remains the only successful Labour politician of our lifetimes…
Stamer - isn’t another Blair.
Boris - clearly isn’t “Another Tory” neither.
I don’t even know the names of the few Libdems left, these days… So I can’t come up with any meaningful comments regarding them.
Next week, the Bank of England are expected to raise interest rates BECAUSE energy firms (including fuel forecourts!) are holding up prices when the wholesale prices have already slid back these past two weeks… 20% down, and yet RETAIL Fuel has never been higher!! 
It is difficult to see any silver lining in all this, as it would take us coming off the Paris Accord nonesense AND making our peace with Putin’s cheap energy vendor Russia - to kick it all into touch…
Winseer:
I’m wondering by this point - if there isn’t a gulf opening up between the Far Left and the Greens……After all, they’ve been splitting the left vote with the SNP long enough now to keep the Tories in power forever, if they are not all careful!
That Bexly By Election result - demostrated that people on the whole, would rather be shagged senseless financially by the Tories, than pay any Labour-inspired higher taxes…
All Keir Starmer has to do to be elected is actually stand up and support something POPULAR that the public are wanting right now… Such as lower energy prices!
The Tories promised to Get Brexit Done, and they’ve not finished delivering their watered-down version in full yet. They’ve not put gunboats on the channel, nor pulled up the drawbridge - despite having a long-standing mandate to act thus…
Then they expect the public to back them up on another lockdown which has got to be ten times worse than even the most pessimistic Remainer estimation of the hardest Brexit imaginable…Even back before Starmer was leader - the Parliamentary Labour Party didn’t back Ed Milliband (against high energy prices, if you remember) nor Corbyn a Euro Sceptic who only had to be opposition to Cameron’s Remain stance to get elected in 2017…
Politics - is about fooling the Majority, rather than appealing to the majority, and sucking up to unimportant Minorities, rather than fulfilling promises to those who actually voted for you…
I can see the next election only going Labour’s way - if Starmer is gone by that point, and a new Labour unknown has taken the helm - with a rather more Right leaning as Blair did. I never voted for Blair - but he remains the only successful Labour politician of our lifetimes…
Stamer - isn’t another Blair.
Boris - clearly isn’t “Another Tory” neither.I don’t even know the names of the few Libdems left, these days… So I can’t come up with any meaningful comments regarding them.
Next week, the Bank of England are expected to raise interest rates BECAUSE energy firms (including fuel forecourts!) are holding up prices when the wholesale prices have already slid back these past two weeks… 20% down, and yet RETAIL Fuel has never been higher!!
It is difficult to see any silver lining in all this, as it would take us coming off the Paris Accord nonesense AND making our peace with Putin’s cheap energy vendor Russia - to kick it all into touch…
The split would be be the realisation that pro nuclear pro biomass even pro solar is anything but Green.
We’ve got enough fossil fuel of our own to supply ourselves ‘if’ we stop exports of it.
dozy:
We pay £66 p.m for gas & electric & normally get a refund as over paid at end of yearly reference period , so to be fair I’d not object if it went up a bit , as mrs doesn’t seem to understand that the water doesn’t need to be on for 6 hrs to heat up & central heating does have a off as well as a on button
That’s the same amount we were paying under Avro Energy before they went belly up, We got moved over to Octopus energy by Ofgem but our Octopus account still hasn’t yet been finalised, I’ve been keeping meter records & sending them gas/electricity readings on the first of every month so I know where I’m up to.
The smart meter tablet sprang back into life a couple of weeks ago & it looks like we’ll have to double the monthly payments , We’re only eleven days into December & already passed £65 for duel fuel…Bugger 
lancpudn:
dozy:
We pay £66 p.m for gas & electric & normally get a refund as over paid at end of yearly reference period , so to be fair I’d not object if it went up a bit , as mrs doesn’t seem to understand that the water doesn’t need to be on for 6 hrs to heat up & central heating does have a off as well as a on buttonThat’s the same amount we were paying under Avro Energy before they went belly up, We got moved over to Octopus energy by Ofgem but our Octopus account still hasn’t yet been finalised, I’ve been keeping meter records & sending them gas/electricity readings on the first of every month so I know where I’m up to.
The smart meter tablet sprang back into life a couple of weeks ago & it looks like we’ll have to double the monthly payments
It costs around £1.20 per hour to run a gas boiler at less than 5p per kwh.
All bets are off if they try to replace gas with electric at 20p per kwh.
Both are stated as going well North of those prices in April.
Probably along the lines of their fixed rate 6p per kwh for gas and 26p per kwh electric.
Also with plans to equalise gas with electric to ‘incentivise’ the switch.
The increase in gas standing charge from 17p per day to around 25p per day is obviously part of that and noticeably adds up over a 30 day period.
My reading under the Octopus new variable rate after my fixed rate deal ended was 1447 kwh of gas from 13th November to 7th December and was £65 and around £6 of that was standing charge.
Electric was 129 kwh for £33 and £5.49 of that was standing charge.So that’s over a tenner for less than a month in standing charges alone.