Hiab Training

NEW AND WANNABE DRIVERS (INTERACTIVE)
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Hiya Folks

Well, I’ve now been trained on Hiab. I’ve got a licence for Stick & Remote although only with hook.

I’ve seen the operation of the Brick grab and had some of the technicalities explained but as I don’t specifically have it on my licence there is at least one company through the agency that is kicking up a fuss.

Now. When I had my MEWP licence, I was trained on one make and model boom and the rest I learnt with experience. Surely that should be possible with Hiab’s?

Or is the company who wants it on my licence ‘just being difficult’?

What do you think?

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When I first planned the training and looked around lots of companies in the area would only train at the companies premises. I finally found one that did quote a lot but as they said it was the same cost for one person or 2/3 I spoke to my agency and it was planned through them.

The HIAB I trained on was a Palfinger with remote and that did include the brick grab. When I actually turned up at the training it turned out the brick grab wasn’t available anymore as wasn’t working. So I only got trained on hook.

The truck had quite a few problems as well, including constantly running low on hydraulic oil and the initial operation explained to the trainer was a bit rushed so he had a few issues with the truck too. It overheated as we were finishing the final part of the exam.

There are a few other threads on the board too.

Dilligaf’s thread where he surmised that the option to get was all of them: Stick & Remote, coupled with Brick Grab, Bucket and Hook with £35 for the former and £40 each for the latter, of which he got them all.

I am quite annoyed about the level of training because when I did the preparation I did specifically ask about Brick Grab and their insinuation was that it would be available too, when that was clearly not the case!

Bonsaimon’s thread where it is explained that most organisations do actually want to see the additional options that HIAB licences use, which does indicate that what the agency told me today is another level of [zb]

Jambo77’s thread which has lots of helpful advice about operating them

Keano1’s thread where Miketdt states that the licence is for all; brickgrab, hook and bucket. 8wheels talks about the cpcs course options and what you can and can’t do due to the quals you hold. He also states it is best not to wear gloves whilst operating the controls!

Kemaro’s thread is quite a short thread from July 2009

Tricky Dicky’s on which is the best HIAB in the form of buying one

Joedwyer1’s thread on HIAB or FLT

Peebro123’s thread

Andyroo’s thread about doing brick work

Skynaut’s thread about having done the licence and now about to start the work and for help.

In hindsight I should have got the agency to confirm in writing or text to me that the training course definitely did have ‘brick grab’ on it so there would be some comeback. If I try now I will probably be told ‘well you already checked this company out’ and all. either way, I feel a bit [zb] over it and at the end of the day probably won’t recommend that company to anyone either :frowning:

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You’ll probably find that its just them being awkward. That is until they are desperate one day for a hiab driver to go to Jewson or somewhere, you may find that all of a sudden your ticket is good enough :imp:

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Thanks for that. Another agency I spoke to today said that ‘it wasn’t a problem and I’d soon pick it up’ :laughing: but even so. It’s one of those things isn’t it!

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Saratoga:
Thanks for that. Another agency I spoke to today said that ‘it wasn’t a problem and I’d soon pick it up’ :laughing: but even so. It’s one of those things isn’t it!

True, you will pick it up as you go. I was very lucky to work for a guy that believed in letting you do your training on the job, yes I made mistakes but I learned far more that way. I ended up driving a wagon and drag for him with a front mounted 100 tonne per metre hiab and i only ever took a basic course in the first place. Best bit of advice he gave me though, “You have eyes, ears and mouth, use them in that order.” In other words, watch, listen, then ask questions.

If your on an agency its sometimes difficult when your jumping in and out of different motors, but once you get your own, you soon get the hang of what it will and won’t do. Take it easy and always try and use common sense and remember the laws of physics, ie if you have more weight hanging on the hook than you have on t’other side its gonna fall over :smiley:

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I had that same problem but with the remote side though, although i had training and qualified on the HIAB the company wouldnt accept that i could use the remote without it on the licence even though i had been using a remote for 2 months.The only thing u need to use the brick grab or any attatchment is an induction from the company ure working for.

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Evening all
I just did my Hiab last week got the licence with attachments ITSSAR but didnt get the remote on it so when i asked why they said thet same about that you can use remote if the company work for have some one who can give you an indution on it … ■■? .and most people want remote drivers now .
its a world of mistery to me .

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Never encouintered any probs with different attachments. On the odd rare occasion it’s a quick 30-second “show me” then crack on.
I’ve had work on all sorts of attachments with and without remote, but I was only trained & tested on hook, and that’s all that’s on the ticket.
Did a couple of days with a firm the other week on a remote chain & pulley! :open_mouth:

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I was only ever trained on the hook but got hook and grab on my ticket. as for remote. i was never trained on the remote but ended up using one 50% of the time. hiab tickets are all a bit of a grey area any way. you dont actually need one to be able to use one if you read the legislation regarding lorry loaders

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And always remember to put your pads down. This is a pic of me rescuing one of my colleagues a couple of years ago, the damage was incredible, to the building (brand new), the road (just been topped off), the cherry picker and most of all the truck, as he put the rear pad down but not the front. As a result only the front went down, twisting the chassis terribly, along with much other damage to the hydraulics etc. Its a dangerous game if you don’t play it properly!

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is dave deadman still going? i havent seen them about for a while

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joedwyer1:
is dave deadman still going? i havent seen them about for a while

Yes, he’s still about, not as big as he was, but still hanging in there, a top man and a great boss too, I should never have left there :frowning:

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looks like interesting work and i only live 5 mins down the road from there yard.

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I’ll try to put this in the simplest way I can.

No one has a legal obligation to have a certificate before they can operate a vehicle mounted hydraulic loader, aka HIAB (Hydrauliska Industri AB, a Finnish Co’ who enjoy a status in their industry similar to Hoover do in theirs).

Whoever ‘employs’ you, & the word ‘employ’ goes far beyond the bloke what pays your wages if your PAYE, DOES have a legal obligation to ensure that you are are trained & competant in the use of that equipment.

I can’t think of a single attachment to any vehicle that the operator is legally obliged to have a certificate in order to use that equipment, if you can please enlighten me.

If you are employed to operate a HIAB, then the employer has a legal obligation to satisfy themselves that you are trained & competant to use that HIAB. A HIAB training certificate from a recognised training provider is one way to do this.

Did you know that HIAB training does not have an expiry date, regardless of what dates your training provider printed on your certificate. They cannot possibly expire because legally speaking, your certificate is just a simple piece of paper.

It’s a piece of paper that can be used to show an employer that you have been trained to use a certain piece of equipment, it is NOT a get out clause for an employer, their legal obligation is to ensure that you are trained & competant to use that equipment.

If anyone wants to argue the toss about this, please feel free to do so.