This was posted on RT.com earlier , any thought?
I personally would of welcomed driving a loaded truck , I would of welcomed being shown how to open the doors and the curtains actually. 
Would of saved me looking an arse at my first collection on my first day for Wilson Homes
click here for the artical http://www.roadtransport.com/Articles/2009/06/11/133945/dsa-proposes-using-laden-trucks-in-hgv-test.html
This was originally proposed in 2005 with a view to starting in 2010
It will probably get as far as the last one - all talk and no action.
If it did come about then the trucks would have ‘ballast’ weight which would probably consist of water tanks on palletts - can’t remember what they are called 
They would not have ‘goods’ on board.
when i took my test via the army the likkle bedford had a concrete block bolted onto the trailer.
i think they put it on to get the truck over 7.5 ton 
My HGV instructor said something about this, that to start off with it’ll be a part loaded vehicle eventually going to a fully loaded one.
Guess i’m one of the lucky ones, during my training i got to drive both a fully loaded Wag & Drag and Artic.
starting in 2010
Postponed, surprise surprise to 2013. Waste of time as weight of a CE will be 15 tonnes. How does that prepare a driver for 44 tonnes effectively?
If you look round, there is at least one trainer offering training on a fully loaded, full length artic to anyone having passed their CE either on empty artic and wanting the experience of the load or empty WD wanting to find out the difference with an artic.
Not allowed to advertise but will give details if you send me pm
Peter Smythe:
starting in 2010
Postponed, surprise surprise to 2013. Waste of time as weight of a CE will be 15 tonnes. How does that prepare a driver for 44 tonnes effectively?
If you look round, there is at least one trainer offering training on a fully loaded, full length artic to anyone having passed their CE either on empty artic and wanting the experience of the load or empty WD wanting to find out the difference with an artic.
Not allowed to advertise but will give details if you send me pm
BLIMEY WONDER WHO THAT IS 
We have in Austria Lorry driver and Professional Lorry driver
You need a HGV Licence and a Job as Lorry Driver to be a Lorry driver
But to be a Professional Lorry Driver you have to do 2 Year Vocacional School and Training.
You get a Provisorish Driving Licence (With “L” on it),and can drive unloaded and loaded Lorries when a Trainer is with you.
You also work in Office and Garage,and have to pass a Examen to get a Certificat as Professional driver,which is accepted by US Gov as Profession to appy for Working Visa.
We have in Austria Lorry driver and Professional Lorry driver
You need a HGV Licence and a Job as Lorry Driver to be a Lorry driver
But to be a Professional Lorry Driver you have to do 2 Year Vocacional School and Training.
You get a Provisorish Driving Licence (With “L” on it),and can drive unloaded and loaded Lorries when a Trainer is with you.
You also work in Office and Garage,and have to pass a Examen to get a Certificat as Professional driver,which is accepted by US Gov as Profession to appy for Working Visa.
so who would be responsible for checking the “load” was secure - would learner be shown how to check it was ‘secure’ by the trainer during training
sure the LGV training people would love the prospect at having to replace the brake pads on their trucks ever 7 days, fully laden 44 ton truck doing emergency stops during training and then 1 on actual test 
When I did my training, twenty odd years ago. The place I used had a normal twin axle flat and another the same size with sides that was part loaded with 10 ton in concrete blocks IIRC (32 max back then), to take out so you could get the feel of some weight. Well worth it too and IMHO should be compulsory for learners to have to take out some weight whilst training, after all, that’s what the job is all about, carrying weight.
two Years.
Its as if you would do a Vocacion as Mechanic,Hairdresser,Policeman,or whatever.
Beginning slow and getting trained.
In Austria Driver change Wheels,fix Lights,change oil and greace the Lorry,check Battery water,even change small Parts on the Way.
You also have to organice yourself during your Journey/Work.
Lovelyperson:
two Years.
Its as if you would do a Vocacion as Mechanic,Hairdresser,Policeman,or whatever.
Beginning slow and getting trained.
In Austria Driver change Wheels,fix Lights,change oil and greace the Lorry,check Battery water,even change small Parts on the Way.
You also have to organice yourself during your Journey/Work.
is that why some foreign trucks have a spare tyre on the trailer - so say example on the M25 driver jumps out, jacks truck up and does an off side tyre change 
bugger that for a lark, thats all i would say to that
pecjam23:
Lovelyperson:
two Years.
Its as if you would do a Vocacion as Mechanic,Hairdresser,Policeman,or whatever.
Beginning slow and getting trained.
In Austria Driver change Wheels,fix Lights,change oil and greace the Lorry,check Battery water,even change small Parts on the Way.
You also have to organice yourself during your Journey/Work.is that why some foreign trucks have a spare tyre on the trailer
bugger that for a lark, thats all i would say to that
drivers and screwdrivers, Pecjam, lol
pecjam23:
Lovelyperson:
two Years.
Its as if you would do a Vocacion as Mechanic,Hairdresser,Policeman,or whatever.
Beginning slow and getting trained.
In Austria Driver change Wheels,fix Lights,change oil and greace the Lorry,check Battery water,even change small Parts on the Way.
You also have to organice yourself during your Journey/Work.is that why some foreign trucks have a spare tyre on the trailer
bugger that for a lark, thats all i would say to that
Yes,It’s cheaper to change Tyres self
blueroom1:
This was posted on RT.com earlier , any thought?I personally would of welcomed driving a loaded truck , I would of welcomed being shown how to open the doors and the curtains actually.
Would of saved me looking an arse at my first collection on my first day for Wilson Homes
click here for the artical http://www.roadtransport.com/Articles/2009/06/11/133945/dsa-proposes-using-laden-trucks-in-hgv-test.html
So how come you didn’t ask while you were being trained?
ROG:
This was originally proposed in 2005 with a view to starting in 2010It will probably get as far as the last one - all talk and no action.
If it did come about then the trucks would have ‘ballast’ weight which would probably consist of water tanks on palletts - can’t remember what they are called
They would not have ‘goods’ on board.
Built for purpose 1 ton concrete blocks would be safer but it being a pencil pushers decision, it’s unlikely.
berewic:
Built for purpose 1 ton concrete blocks would be safer
Removal for MOT might be an issue if they are the ones attatched to the body? - water tanks on palletts might be easier to remove and, if necessary for any reason, can be emptied.
ROG:
berewic:
Built for purpose 1 ton concrete blocks would be saferRemoval for MOT might be an issue if they are the ones attatched to the body? - water tanks on palletts might be easier to remove and, if necessary for any reason, can be emptied.
hi Rog when i did trailer movements i took a few trucks to hastings MOT place and there had a trailer loaded for the brake test you could use for a fee the trailer was not MOT’ed but it was heavy full of ballast falt bed
I believe that there is a difference in the MOT for 2 and 3 axle units where a test station does not have a special piece of equipment that forces down the fifth wheel plate for brake testing.