Drivers should use RTD to their advantage…at least it can be a ‘tool’ to stop drivers being exploited by some transport office staff/operators. Why should we live at work■■? Think of it as a positive as are Drivers’ Hours Regs. For everyone’s safety & protection - especially LGV/PCV drivers. In bad old days I used to work as a fitter all day & drive PCV’s on Tacho. in the evenings & at weekends - this is no longer allowed under RTD, but was legal under EU Drivers’ Hours. I stress bad old days.
Another MAJOR difference between RTD & normal WTD is that nobody in-scope of RTD (most LGV/PCV driver’s using tacho.) can ‘opt out’. Some still think this is possible including some companies!!!
Daz1970:
Drivers should use RTD to their advantage…at least it can be a ‘tool’ to stop drivers being exploited by some transport office staff/operators. Why should we live at work■■? Think of it as a positive as are Drivers’ Hours Regs. For everyone’s safety & protection - especially LGV/PCV drivers. In bad old days I used to work as a fitter all day & drive PCV’s on Tacho. in the evenings & at weekends - this is no longer allowed under RTD, but was legal under EU Drivers’ Hours. I stress bad old days.
Another MAJOR difference between RTD & normal WTD is that nobody in-scope of RTD (most LGV/PCV driver’s using tacho.) can ‘opt out’. Some still think this is possible including some companies!!!
That was never legal, you just did it and got away with it. Your work as a fitter would always have been classed as other work, especially if it was for the same company. the main difference between now and the “bad old days” is that when stuff like that went on, your example or others like shunting at night (fuse out) and driving during the day card in, is that the earnings for it were a bloody sight better than now in relation to other jobs 
OK Eddie, mostly legal, slightly bent…I wasn’t driving ALL night, possibly football run/theatre trip. Mostly never exceeded 15 hour spreadover. Probably didn’t complete weekly rests as we should have, especially in summer season. We were off tacho. for a lot of the time too…school runs/swimming contracts etc. As I said bad old days…it was all a bit of a minefield then & a mix of rules (Domestic/EU/none at all!!), all the RTD/Drivers’ Hours Regs. should at least help these days in that scenario I was in■■?
Funny how the most greyest of ‘grey areas’ always used to involve the most precious cargo of all - children & often they were(still are) transported around in the oldest, less technically advanced vehicles - all down to keeping costs down!!
Muckaway:
Load of crap. I preferred it when I could have 3x15 min breaks. It broke up the day.
You can record 15 mins within 8.75 hours (not 6) but you must have other 15 mins before 9 hour’s. .
Then as long as you’ve not reached 4.5 hours driving you can continue although you need obviosly a 4.5 driving break or another 15 mins working time break before or anytime B/4 11.75 hours…
So you can still get 3 breaks of 15 minites or 2 breaks at 15 minutes and 1 of half an hour.
del949:
Simplifying the drivers hours rules has no bearing on the WTD as most are not covered by drivers rules.
the WTD does not just apply to drivers !
Mobile workers in the private sector are under the road transport act working time regs 2005. Workers cant practically opt out. ( the dole or courts )
General worker’s are under the health and safety act regs 1988 of which workers can legally opt to work 48 hours.
del949:
Simplifying the drivers hours rules has no bearing on the WTD as most are not covered by drivers rules.
the WTD does not just apply to drivers !
Mobile workers in the private sector are under the road transport act working time regs 2005. Workers cant practically opt out. ( the dole or courts )
General worker’s are under the health and safety act regs 1988 of which workers can legally opt to work 48 hours.
mac12:
It should be enforced, POA should be done away with 4 12 hour days is enough for anyone.
Thats a good view for enforcement.
Thanks
ROG:
Bking:
The real question is why can i work on an oil rig,in an operating theatre,a quarry,an old folks home etc as long as I like but can only drive a truck for 90 hours a fortnight.Its hardly [zb] hard work is it? then I can drive my car 2,3,10 hours home and thats not a problem?
Is driving the only part of a drivers work?
RTD is based on the amount of working time done in a fixed week but I would rather see an amendment to the drivers hours rules which would state a certain amount of total REST time required in a fixed week
There are 168 hours in the fixed week - how many of those hours should be recorded as REST to prevent a driver working too many hours ?
There are quite a lot regularly doing 60 and lots do 71 hours and even 83 hours at work.
Deduct 1 hour a day break thats 79 hours max ? Or is it can you do more?
Thanks for comments.
Daily rest .is calling & the misses
Bye.
Ross v stobart:
Thanks for comments.Daily rest .is calling & the misses
Bye.
What is your mother tongue, obviously not English
Ross v stobart:
Muckaway:
Load of crap. I preferred it when I could have 3x15 min breaks. It broke up the day.You can record 15 mins within 8.75 hours (not 6) but you must have other 15 mins before 9 hour’s. .
Then as long as you’ve not reached 4.5 hours driving you can continue although you need obviosly a 4.5 driving break or another 15 mins working time break before or anytime B/4 11.75 hours…
So you can still get 3 breaks of 15 minites or 2 breaks at 15 minutes and 1 of half an hour.
INCORECT A15 MIN BREAK MUST BE TAKEN BEFORE 6HRS THE 2ND 15 BEFORE THE 9TH HR FOLLOWED BY A FURTHER 15 SO LONG AS YOU DONT EXCCEED THE 4.5HR DRIVING TIME …
Ross v stobart:
I would be grateful for any comments on why HGV drivers believe the WTD and the purpose or spirit of the regulations would be beneficial to drivers and operators.
Thanks
When the WTD directive was first mentioned there was hope that it would lead to a reasonable 48hr working week and that the resulting shortage of drivers would mean a decent wage and no longer having to work hours that even the Victorians would have thought beyond reasonable. Certainly the parcel firm I was working at at the time was looking at quite a significant wage rise in the wage negotiations.
But then the bloody pandering to the RHA and the stupid ■■■■■■■■ drivers too stupid to see the benefits shouting about not being able to earn a living unless they could work 84hrs a week happened with opt-outs and a rewriting of what would be classed as work resulting in the reality that nothing changed other than more paperwork. No shortage of drivers, drivers still needing to do 60+hrs a week to earn the national average wage.
So if you want to know why drivers earn less than a shelf stacker at and have to work a week and a half to earn the national average for a 40hr week you have the RHA and the half-wit gobshytes to thank.
nick2008:
Ross v stobart:
Muckaway:
Load of crap. I preferred it when I could have 3x15 min breaks. It broke up the day.You can record 15 mins within 8.75 hours (not 6) but you must have other 15 mins before 9 hour’s. .
Then as long as you’ve not reached 4.5 hours driving you can continue although you need obviosly a 4.5 driving break or another 15 mins working time break before or anytime B/4 11.75 hours…
So you can still get 3 breaks of 15 minites or 2 breaks at 15 minutes and 1 of half an hour.INCORECT A15 MIN BREAK MUST BE TAKEN BEFORE 6HRS THE 2ND 15 BEFORE THE 9TH HR FOLLOWED BY A FURTHER 15 SO LONG AS YOU DONT EXCCEED THE 4.5HR DRIVING TIME …
INCORRECT a 15 min break must be taken before going over 6 hours not before 6 hours, you can work 6 hours so therefore he his correct.
hang on while i find my ruler and finish yesterday’s log book entries.
Some of you will know what i mean, wink wink.
mac12:
nick2008:
Ross v stobart:
Muckaway:
Load of crap. I preferred it when I could have 3x15 min breaks. It broke up the day.You can record 15 mins within 8.75 hours (not 6) but you must have other 15 mins before 9 hour’s. .
Then as long as you’ve not reached 4.5 hours driving you can continue although you need obviosly a 4.5 driving break or another 15 mins working time break before or anytime B/4 11.75 hours…
So you can still get 3 breaks of 15 minites or 2 breaks at 15 minutes and 1 of half an hour.INCORECT A15 MIN BREAK MUST BE TAKEN BEFORE 6HRS THE 2ND 15 BEFORE THE 9TH HR FOLLOWED BY A FURTHER 15 SO LONG AS YOU DONT EXCCEED THE 4.5HR DRIVING TIME …
INCORRECT a 15 min break must be taken before going over 6 hours not before 6 hours, you can work 6 hours so therefore he his correct.
that’s what I said
Conor:
Ross v stobart:
I would be grateful for any comments on why HGV drivers believe the WTD and the purpose or spirit of the regulations would be beneficial to drivers and operators.
ThanksWhen the WTD directive was first mentioned there was hope that it would lead to a reasonable 48hr working week and that the resulting shortage of drivers would mean a decent wage and no longer having to work hours that even the Victorians would have thought beyond reasonable. Certainly the parcel firm I was working at at the time was looking at quite a significant wage rise in the wage negotiations.
But then the bloody pandering to the RHA and the stupid [zb] drivers too stupid to see the benefits shouting about not being able to earn a living unless they could work 84hrs a week happened with opt-outs and a rewriting of what would be classed as work resulting in the reality that nothing changed other than more paperwork. No shortage of drivers, drivers still needing to do 60+hrs a week to earn the national average wage.
So if you want to know why drivers earn less than a shelf stacker at and have to work a week and a half to earn the national average for a 40hr week you have the RHA and the half-wit gobshytes to thank.
I couldn’t say better than this.
nick2008:
mac12:
nick2008:
Ross v stobart:
Muckaway:
Load of crap. I preferred it when I could have 3x15 min breaks. It broke up the day.You can record 15 mins within 8.75 hours (not 6) but you must have other 15 mins before 9 hour’s. .
Then as long as you’ve not reached 4.5 hours driving you can continue although you need obviosly a 4.5 driving break or another 15 mins working time break before or anytime B/4 11.75 hours…
So you can still get 3 breaks of 15 minites or 2 breaks at 15 minutes and 1 of half an hour.INCORECT A15 MIN BREAK MUST BE TAKEN BEFORE 6HRS THE 2ND 15 BEFORE THE 9TH HR FOLLOWED BY A FURTHER 15 SO LONG AS YOU DONT EXCCEED THE 4.5HR DRIVING TIME …
Sorry my mistake
15 mins in 6 hours then othet 15 mins before 9.
You know what I meanINCORRECT a 15 min break must be taken before going over 6 hours not before 6 hours, you can work 6 hours so therefore he his correct.
that’s what I said