flapper:
NO ONE KNOWS WHAT HAPPENED OR THE REASONS WHY !!!
That has never stopped anyone from commenting on anything before!
flapper:
Firstly im amazed ( Admin ) has allowed this post and comments to carry on .
Drivers making their own assumptions and accusations ( Slander/defamation ) who are obvously wasted at being HGV drivers and should of been in the police or taken up the rolls .
A fellow driver has died he has family , the military personel involved they have familys and they could well of been ( training ) to do a job one of which could be deployment to a hostile country they serve for Queen and country .
NO ONE KNOWS WHAT HAPPENED OR THE REASONS WHY !!!
Calm yourself down with your fake outrage
adam277:
I agree with Conor. Army or not plodding along the motorway at 40mph without beacons is just stupid. Regardless if they have to maintain a set speed or not.That being said if the HGV rear ended an Army truck doing 40mph that is some pretty bad driving. That being said it is all conjecture at the moment we dont know the facts.
The A38 is not a motorway, the driver ran up the arse of another lorry, unless all three army vehicles reversed into him.
Why do they do this? (not trolling) i have seen these convoys there doesn’t seem to be any reason for them going so slow.
It’s not as simple as it seems mate.
What happens is a Motor transport warrant officer MTWO writes up a movement order for just say 100 vehicles with 400 troops to move from Salisbury barracks to otterburn training camp in the north east.some vehicles drops for example are restricted to 40mph and belong to different companies or bty.
only certain people can drive different types of vehicles that you have on your FMT.
So you have to have all vehicles move of in a staggered formation with maybe a 20mims or 30mins between each packet of the convoy. So you end up with 15 separate convoys on the road from one regiment moving from point A to point b at the same time leaving with just say 20 minute intervals and traveling at the same speeds to not block up the roads and have a convoy with 100 vehicles at once.
Thanks for explaining.
Lol at the “beacons”
If they can’t see a truck I doubt beacons would help.
Using that logic nobody should drive into anything with beacons… ever 
few yrs back i remember seeing an army truck pulled up with a puncture just outside Rock barracks near Woodbridge .Couldnt have been more than 100yards from the turn off i was a bit surprised he didnt drive on in and then stop im sure i read somewhere their stuff had run flat tyres
flapper:
So the media released it it does’nt give anyone the right to speculate or make any i’ll formed judgments at what could of or not happened and making judgments who is to blame , when a human being fellow driver has died .
I too have read the post’s and if you feel there is nothing out of place carry on .
Pretty sure the right of free speech allows exactly that.
109LWB:
flapper:
So the media released it it does’nt give anyone the right to speculate or make any i’ll formed judgments at what could of or not happened and making judgments who is to blame , when a human being fellow driver has died .
I too have read the post’s and if you feel there is nothing out of place carry on .Pretty sure the right of free speech allows exactly that.
Yep.
Outside of inciting a riot, or writing libel; one can be as insensitive, crass, stupid, and make as big a fool of oneself as is imaginable.
Being a prat is perfectly legal.
109LWB:
flapper:
So the media released it it does’nt give anyone the right to speculate or make any i’ll formed judgments at what could of or not happened and making judgments who is to blame , when a human being fellow driver has died .
I too have read the post’s and if you feel there is nothing out of place carry on .Pretty sure the right of free speech allows exactly that.
So many on here obviously have never been in the services ,and have no idea of displicine even in their own daily work .Service training is first class and much has to take place on public roads , if an nco says jump you do it , as for travelling at 40 mph on a public road perfectly legal -they were not training without L plates were they ?. Do you not criticise the likes of Tossco etc for doing the same ,we do not know all the facts , a driver has lost his life here., no one should make judgements .very typical of todays so called ’ Proffesionals’ found on this thread -toshboy
Conor:
Themoocher:
I can tell you have never been in the military and no absoulte nothing about it.I’m ex-REME, a vehicle mechanic. I was posted at ASMT Leconfield after doing my basic at Rowcroft Barracks, Arborfield Garrison outside of Wokingham a couple of years before it was closed and my trade training at Bordon. I did my driver training there at ASMT Leconfield including FAM on everything with wheels the army had at the time. I also did convoy training there too.
It’s nothing todo with the driver of the truck driving at 40mph the truck does 56 it’s what’s on your movement order and your in a convoy.
ROFLMAO. Not quite sure you’ve been in the forces.
I worked as a civvy for the MOD (Civil Servant) as an MT driver based at RAF Marham retired 2004. RAF service personnel were trained at Leconfield. Like yourself we drove all sorts. Class 1, Coaches, Bowser fuel tankers, Cranes (Groves)(Smiths), Crash ambulances, Wetherhill earth movers and Sicard snow clearing machines for the run ways. Leconfield staff would stay the week at our base RAF Marham for our ADR courses. I had my Crane courses at RAF Marham, Smiths 10 ton and Groves 20 Tonner. The trainers were Army personnel.
The work was varied, travelling to RAF Lossiemouth, RAF Luchers, Brize Norton, Lyneham, RAF Bruggan, RAF Decimomannu (Sardinia)to name a few. Double click the Leconfield ruler and it will go horizontal.
Conor:
I guess the army lorries were doing their usual trick of trundling along at 30-40MPH but unlike tractors they tend not to have orange beacons flashing to let everyone know about the hazard they cause. They’re a bloody menace. Being within 10 miles of the largest defence school of driving we have to put up with these morons on a daily basis. They can manage to do 56MPH when they’re in civvy lorries learning to drive but once they get in those military ones they seem incapable of going faster than 40 and I know for a fact those lorries do the same as every other one as I’ve driven them.I’d like to hope that the army drivers got done for driving without due care because of their dawdling down a major dual carriageway at 30-40MPH but I doubt anything will happen other than social media having a go at the driver who died for running into the vehicle one of our “heroes” was driving.
Is there anything that doesn’t ■■■■ you off? I hope you’re keeping an eye on your heart
flapper:
Firstly im amazed ( Admin ) has allowed this post and comments to carry on .
Drivers making their own assumptions and accusations ( Slander/defamation ) who are obvously wasted at being HGV drivers and should of been in the police or taken up the rolls .
A fellow driver has died he has family , the military personel involved they have familys and they could well of been ( training ) to do a job one of which could be deployment to a hostile country they serve for Queen and country .
NO ONE KNOWS WHAT HAPPENED OR THE REASONS WHY !!!
And that is THE PROBLEM!!! Doh.
What is needed after the event in terms of conclusions etc is a proper website where the FACTS are clearly set out and conclusions drawn so anyone with an interest can bloody well learn and hopefuly not repeat whatever has tragically gone wrong.
It is done for railways, aircraft and shipping, just not for roads. Yes there has to be limits you dont want every case up there but perhaps accidents involving loss of life where a large vehicle is involved or specific types of accident (earlier this week my DCPC course showed the S Wales reconstruction of a bimbo texting whilst driving which killed one of her mates and a totally innocent mother and father in another car leaving a child an orphan). That is what is needed. Only then can we learn.
Will we get it no.
Old John:
Very sad for all concerned, but, looking at the picture, I think there’s a bit more to it.
For one thing, if the Army convoy was doing 40mph, and the Scania rigid was travelling at 56mph, given that there would be a closing speed of 16mph, it would be awfully bad luck if a fatality was the result.
There is an assumption the army trucks were moving. If they were stationary in traffic, or crawling along, the impact speed could be as high as 56mph. I see that the collision happened right on the beginning of the slip to the junction. Maybe the truck driver thought the army trucks would clear the slip before he/she got to that point, if thatcwas the turning the truck was taking.
Why are thr army trucks so close to each other? They either stopped instantly (unlikely) the collision happened, were already stationary or the two forward trucks could have reversed after the collision. As others have said, the facts are not readily available, so we only speculate with our own knowledge of the roads. RIP for the lost soul.
Here’s a story that unfortunately is true - and it still worries me to this day.
About 15 years ago on a very rainy stormy night I was making my way up the 34 in a 7.5 t fuel bowser enroute to the Oxford area. Some way past the 303 junction I suddenly saw my headlights reflecting back a wet surface and I had a nasty surprise that it was the back of a cab, I just had time to get into the righthand lane, luckily the coach driver who was about to pass braked to let me out. When I went past the obstruction it was clear that it was an army vehicle flatbed lorry 4x4.
No lights, no cones and no hazards in the centre of the live left lane. I immediately got in touch with plod and continued on my way. However on the Newbury bypass there was an army convoy of about half a dozen vehicles grinding along at about 40 mph.
A colleague was half an hour behind me going to the same destination. I asked him if he had had any problems and he said that when he arrived at the location it was blue light central and the truck was still there safely coned off and police cars way back to advise the traffic of the lane closure etc etc.
No attempt had been made to safeguard the abandoned truck, whether someone was in the cab I don’t know - I can only surmise the thing had broken down so they just left it.
It was most fortunate that this happened in the small hours when it was quiet.
- I can only surmise the thing had broken down so they just left it.
I somehow doubt that very much. All military are trained what to do in the event of a breakdown.
Clearly not this time.
This “ohh - 40 in a 70 is dangerous!” really annoys the crap out of me. Why? You think nothing of doing 30 in a residential area past parked cars, right? So on a motorway, if you’re doing 70 MPH and the car ahead is doing 40 MPH, unless you are totally blind, you’ll see it in plenty of time and can either reduce your own speed safely or change lane. A truck that is driving at 60 MPH or slower has even less excuse.
There is no excuse for not seeing a vehicle going slightly slower than you!!!
My condolences to the driver’s family.