Radar19:
Back to the topic at hand now ladies.
These videos, are they going to be reviewed by a member of the plod? If they are then that should weed out the ones that were sent in by some self righteous [zb] that thinks they have been done wrong.
From post #1
“another motorist submitted footage of them overtaking dangerously.
It follows the launch of a North Yorkshire Police operation where drivers are encouraged to shop other motorists.”
So a member of the public sends a video to the plod, they look at it, and do/dont take action on it. We too are members of the public, and often moan about the stupidity we see. I see nowt wrong with idea of sending a video of a lane hogger who brake checks trucks ([viewtopic.php?f=2&t=145821](http://www.trucknetuk.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=145821)) to the plod. Better that idiots are educated by a copper or, in extreme cases, prosecuted, rather than put themselves and others in danger. Idiots keep on being idiots until they are taught better or until they try to brake check someone playing with their mobile phone. I cant see the police wanting to go to court with every video of a driver going an inch over a white line, but the idea that there arent many patrols on the road, and so bad drivers reckon theyll never get caught is growing. Realizing they are more likely to get caught may make some drive better? Seems that increasing penalties for phone use etc dont work, since people believe they arent going to get caught.
Franglais:
Radar19:
Back to the topic at hand now ladies.
These videos, are they going to be reviewed by a member of the plod? If they are then that should weed out the ones that were sent in by some self righteous [zb] that thinks they have been done wrong.
From post #1
“another motorist submitted footage of them overtaking dangerously.
It follows the launch of a North Yorkshire Police operation where drivers are encouraged to shop other motorists.”
So a member of the public sends a video to the plod, they look at it, and do/dont take action on it. We too are members of the public, and often moan about the stupidity we see. I see nowt wrong with idea of sending a video of a lane hogger who brake checks trucks ([viewtopic.php?f=2&t=145821](http://www.trucknetuk.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=145821)) to the plod. Better that idiots are educated by a copper or, in extreme cases, prosecuted, rather than put themselves and others in danger. Idiots keep on being idiots until they are taught better or until they try to brake check someone playing with their mobile phone. I cant see the police wanting to go to court with every video of a driver going an inch over a white line, but the idea that there arent many patrols on the road, and so bad drivers reckon theyll never get caught is growing. Realizing they are more likely to get caught may make some drive better? Seems that increasing penalties for phone use etc dont work, since people believe they arent going to get caught.
Whilst in general principle I may agree with you, however, if these vids ARE being reviewed by an officer, how much time are they spending in front of a screen when they could be out on patrol offering a high visibility deterrent? Maybe they have a civilian staff member review them, if so, how much do they cost and could that money be better spent on an officer on a high visibility patrol acting as a deterrent?
bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/3 … eleton-key
“Spencer and Paul now run a Van and Tool Theft Awareness Group on Facebook, and say police apathy is a big part of the problem.”
The police have lost the trust of the general public, they’re only interested in high profile cases or cases they can solve with minimum effort (motoring!).
Personally I’d rather have a plod patrol my estate (they stopped doing that when tax discs were no longer required) being a deterrent than sat in front of a screen trying to figure out who it was that robbed my garage.
Captain Caveman 76:
Whilst in general principle I may agree with you, however, if these vids ARE being reviewed by an officer, how much time are they spending in front of a screen when they could be out on patrol offering a high visibility deterrent? Maybe they have a civilian staff member review them, if so, how much do they cost and could that money be better spent on an officer on a high visibility patrol acting as a deterrent?
bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/3 … eleton-key
“Spencer and Paul now run a Van and Tool Theft Awareness Group on Facebook, and say police apathy is a big part of the problem.”
The police have lost the trust of the general public, they’re only interested in high profile cases or cases they can solve with minimum effort (motoring!).
Personally I’d rather have a plod patrol my estate (they stopped doing that when tax discs were no longer required) being a deterrent than sat in front of a screen trying to figure out who it was that robbed my garage.
Id agree that a fully trained copper sitting in front of a screen is a waste of his/her time. A civilian trained for that role only would be much better use of money. Civilians dont cost as much to train, or earn as much as police officers. Having a civilian doing this office work would release officers for the front line duties they should be doing. Sooner or later the videos would be seen by someone higher up, either police or C.P.S.? before any action taken.
Captain Caveman 76:
Whilst in general principle I may agree with you, however, if these vids ARE being reviewed by an officer, how much time are they spending in front of a screen when they could be out on patrol offering a high visibility deterrent? Maybe they have a civilian staff member review them, if so, how much do they cost and could that money be better spent on an officer on a high visibility patrol acting as a deterrent?
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but what greater deterrent giving out the message that every other car is filming everything and may send the footage off to the police. It’s a tricky one with these dashcams . Certainly a good thing as per the OP, but how horrible if the police started using it for minor stuff. As usual we need good sensible policing, but sadly the police don’t have a history of good sensible policing.
orwell didn’t imagine the half of it in 1984 - strange world we are living in now
Franglais:
Id agree that a fully trained copper sitting in front of a screen is a waste of his/her time. A civilian trained for that role only would be much better use of money. Civilians dont cost as much to train, or earn as much as police officers. Having a civilian doing this office work would release officers for the front line duties they should be doing. Sooner or later the videos would be seen by someone higher up, either police or C.P.S.? before any action taken.
But adding that extra layer of beurocracy costs money, money which could be spent on high visibility patrols who stop these dangerous occurrences happening in the first place.
Reactionary enforcement does nothing to deter offences, whether motoring or otherwise. It does however raise a shed load of money.
Its probably a good idea in theory but when you have a quick look on youtube you see that there are lots of videos uploaded with captions like “lunatic on theA9” or “Almost run over by idiot in Chesterfield” and when you look at the video there is hee haw to get worked up about. The police will be inundated with video “evidence” now and spent hours trawling through them. So for every offence that is worth it, there could be three days worth of videos where nothing has actually happened, its just been some easily offended idiot who has decided something bad happened just because they didnt like it. Thats a huge waste of police time.
Are we not confusing the media with the message. Now every one carries a mobile phone Ill bet the police get loads of silly calls about someone throwing litter on the ground from some angry person expecting a rapid response car to shot the litterer dead! They deal with that OK dont they?
Having loads of dashcams will probably give rise to lots of complaints about minor “offences”, so using a layer of civilians to weed out the silly stuff is sensible. Serious stuff goes up for sorting out properly.
Does that cost money? Yes, so we all pay a little more on the rates for policing, and save thousands from less accidents and injuries. As Bluey Circles says if bad drivers do believe they will get caught that could prevent some of their bad behaviour. And prevention is better than prosecution afterwards.
Police using video for minor offences? Video works both ways: if cops get over zealous and bust people for minor infringements, then the video gets put on line, and public opinion will go against the police, and they will modify their behaviour. We still have policing by consent here. Orgreve? The film taken then is now being seen as evidence against the police isnt it? If there was more filming going on then, maybe the police at that time wouldnt have been so badly behaved themselves?
There are concerns about how of all this could work, but with a bit of sense it should be good.
Franglais:
but with a bit of sense it should be good.
And that’s the bit I’ve got concerns about! 
I can’t wait for the fine dropping through my door after someone videoing me picking my nose at the wheel.
And no I won’t stop picking my nose at the wheel, as I’m a true limper! 
Lot’s of interesting points. Lot’s of theory. Lot’s of discussion.
But pointless… Because the majority of people don’t give a flying F. They KNOW they won’t get caught, and on the off chance they do, most will get away with it because of ’ lack of evidence ’ or their lawyer will find a convenient ’ not admissible ’ loophole.
Impatience, laziness, and refusal to accept blame for ANYTHING are the hallmarks now of our wonderful society.
Children know to phone Childline if they get a smack, employers have to endure crap employee’s because it’s almost impossible to get rid of them. Bad back’s, depression and the latest ’ mental health issues ’ craze are order of the day.
Discrimination on grounds of race or religion? Smashing…let’s have some of that.
So you see, it’s far better to relax, ignore and crack on. Because the country and it’s roads are f**ked, and there is NOTHING anyone on here can do about it sadly 
Evil8Beezle:
Franglais:
but with a bit of sense it should be good.
And that’s the bit I’ve got concerns about!
I can’t wait for the fine dropping through my door after someone videoing me picking my nose at the wheel.
And no I won’t stop picking my nose at the wheel, as I’m a true limper!
You wont get fined for picking your nose. In the new police state itll be a midnight knock on the door and a visit to room 101 for you!
The-Snowman:
Its probably a good idea in theory but when you have a quick look on youtube you see that there are lots of videos uploaded with captions like “lunatic on theA9” or “Almost run over by idiot in Chesterfield” and when you look at the video there is hee haw to get worked up about. The police will be inundated with video “evidence” now and spent hours trawling through them. So for every offence that is worth it, there could be three days worth of videos where nothing has actually happened, its just been some easily offended idiot who has decided something bad happened just because they didnt like it. Thats a huge waste of police time.
The Snowman has it here. No end of idiotic dashcam footage where so called offences have been grossly exaggerated where little or nothing ever even happened.
Its the job of the policia to get out there in patrols NOT the general publics business to phone in /provide crap dashcam footage from a cheap chinese camera.
Wrong doings out on the road need to be ignored and just left to the relevent authorities to pick up on as and when, its really not up to joe public to get involved…
AndrewG:
The-Snowman:
Its probably a good idea in theory but when you have a quick look on youtube you see that there are lots of videos uploaded with captions like “lunatic on theA9” or “Almost run over by idiot in Chesterfield” and when you look at the video there is hee haw to get worked up about. The police will be inundated with video “evidence” now and spent hours trawling through them. So for every offence that is worth it, there could be three days worth of videos where nothing has actually happened, its just been some easily offended idiot who has decided something bad happened just because they didnt like it. Thats a huge waste of police time.
The Snowman has it here. No end of idiotic dashcam footage where so called offences have been grossly exaggerated where little or nothing ever even happened.
Its the job of the policia to get out there in patrols NOT the general publics business to phone in /provide crap dashcam footage from a cheap chinese camera.
Wrong doings out on the road need to be ignored and just left to the relevent authorities to pick up on as and when, its really not up to joe public to get involved…
How far would you take that?
Ignoring a ■■■ end thrown on the street? Sure.
Doing 31 in a 30 zone? Again sure.
How about doing 40 outside a school at quarter to nine in the morning? Maybe?
Or would you wait until after a kid is knocked down before doing anything?
Would you feel differently if it was you driving, or you dropping your child off?
It’s a question of degree isn’t it? No doubt the wingers will be sending videos of non-events to the police, but as you’ve said before I think, the cops aren’t going to waste their time on silly complaints. They don’t send out cars on blues n twos in response to every phone call, so why would they prosecute every time they receive a video clip?
We’ve already heard the cops aren’t interested in petty crime, and video from a shaky handed pensioner showing an out of focus juggernaut parking on yellow lines is not gonna get any court time is it?
Franglais:
AndrewG:
The-Snowman:
Its probably a good idea in theory but when you have a quick look on youtube you see that there are lots of videos uploaded with captions like “lunatic on theA9” or “Almost run over by idiot in Chesterfield” and when you look at the video there is hee haw to get worked up about. The police will be inundated with video “evidence” now and spent hours trawling through them. So for every offence that is worth it, there could be three days worth of videos where nothing has actually happened, its just been some easily offended idiot who has decided something bad happened just because they didnt like it. Thats a huge waste of police time.
The Snowman has it here. No end of idiotic dashcam footage where so called offences have been grossly exaggerated where little or nothing ever even happened.
Its the job of the policia to get out there in patrols NOT the general publics business to phone in /provide crap dashcam footage from a cheap chinese camera.
Wrong doings out on the road need to be ignored and just left to the relevent authorities to pick up on as and when, its really not up to joe public to get involved…
How far would you take that?
Ignoring a ■■■ end thrown on the street? Sure.
Doing 31 in a 30 zone? Again sure.
How about doing 40 outside a school at quarter to nine in the morning? Maybe?
Or would you wait until after a kid is knocked down before doing anything?
Would you feel differently if it was you driving, or you dropping your child off?
It’s a question of degree isn’t it? No doubt the wingers will be sending videos of non-events to the police, but as you’ve said before I think, the cops aren’t going to waste their time on silly complaints. They don’t send out cars on blues n twos in response to every phone call, so why would they prosecute every time they receive a video clip?
We’ve already heard the cops aren’t interested in petty crime, and video from a shaky handed pensioner showing an out of focus juggernaut parking on yellow lines is not gonna get any court time is it?
Police take no notice of it as technology has moved on, everyone and his dog is at it. Every minor little incident and theres the idiots with their camera phones trying in desperation to film something. If there was a scrap going in these idiots are going to be the very last to get involved breaking it up, asked why they wont get involved and they’ll invariably say ’ nothing to do with me, not my business’ 
Asked to give a statement and these very same nerds would refuse.
Not that youtube and the like remove much as its a free for all but imo anyone posting so called wrong doing on the roads should have their content removed (especially the geeky lycra clad ■■■■■■ and shaky pensioner and the like think of the children type footage should be inadmissable in court. As ive mentioned before, all the smashes and maniac style driving i personally see week in week out i totally ignore and think nothing more of it…
The-Snowman:
Its probably a good idea in theory but when you have a quick look on youtube you see that there are lots of videos uploaded with captions like “lunatic on theA9” or “Almost run over by idiot in Chesterfield” and when you look at the video there is hee haw to get worked up about.
Unfortunately you are right Snowy.
The two national sports of the UK nowadays appear to be becoming outraged at something that’s of no concern to the person in question (and jumping straight on Facebook or Twitter to communicate said sense of outrage); and deriving great glee from reporting people for meaningless ‘infractions’. Therefore, the busy-body element (which is large and getting larger) will get a glow of self-importance at the prospect of being able to forward videos of someone else’s driving to the law, who will be overrun with clips and undoubtedly end up deleting most/all of them without even viewing them.
When I was at Victoria station a few months ago a passenger and a ticket collector on the barriers were exhanging rather robust words over something to do with the passenger’s ticket not being valid or similar. I could hardly believe my eyes when TWO random passers-by pulled out their phones and started to record the exchange.
How do you embarass yourself by doing something like that? That’s the kind of people who are out there.