Here we go again, litterbugs at Heathrow

Residents and business owners want to ban overnight Lgv parking at Colnbrook, due to litter and human waste left in the area.
Heathrow airport may allow Lgv parking if delivering to the airport industry areas.
What a good idea, I have posted years ago about spaces that could be used for parking.
I mentioned park and rides, to old airfields.
Heathrow must have acres of land that is not used.
They could supply showers and a cafe.

They could supply showers and a cafe.
Now you are having a laugh :smiley: :smiley:

And what makes you think that some dirty gits would behave like human beings just because it’s a different place ?

As usual, you’ll all get tarred with the same brush.

Same old same old. Everyone wants the benefits that lorries bring, ie their stuff delivered, but no-one wants to deal with the problems of having the drivers, ie providing us with facilities.
With the amount of revenue raised by the road haulage industry in tax, you would hope the government would invest some of it in infrastructure proving drivers with facilities.

SWEDISH BLUE:
They could supply showers and a cafe.
Now you are having a laugh :smiley: :smiley:

Riverside cafe :bulb:

The problem of parking comes up week in and week out. It really shouldn’t be a problem. All the redundant fields next to every motorway, is it that hard to enforce cpo’s and build 50 space lorry parks with a shower block every 20 miles?

OVLOV JAY:
The problem of parking comes up week in and week out. It really shouldn’t be a problem. All the redundant fields next to every motorway, is it that hard to enforce cpo’s and build 50 space lorry parks with a shower block every 20 miles?

the redundant fields you speak of, are not considered redundant by the landowners :smiley: government subsidsies to farmer giles mean that land that is left to fallow every four years earns more money than working the land.
how do you think they can all afford range rovers :smiley:

OVLOV JAY:
The problem of parking comes up week in and week out. It really shouldn’t be a problem. All the redundant fields next to every motorway, is it that hard to enforce cpo’s and build 50 space lorry parks with a shower block every 20 miles?

Suggest that to the landowners and get them to crack on, Government policy removed any distance restrictions between service areas/motorway truckstops in 2013. Slight hitch that private companies canot CPO ( replace home with property en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compulso … _and_Wales )

Then all you need to do is find about £5 million for the slip roads off the motorway and go through a long/few years planning process with all the Nimbys objecting before you start the actual building of a truck stop for 50 trucks then persuade truckers/users to pay for parking at £20 a night, ie 20 ×50×6 (assuming 1/2 full at weekends) ×52×10= £3.2 million so you haven’t even recoouped the cost of your slip roads in 10 years or included any running costs before trying to turn a profit so that does seem a bit of a non starter on those figures.

I have seen a suggestion in the past off a well meaning member of the public who suggested that on the M25 just bang in some slip roads a load of ■■■■■■■■ and a row of portaloos :laughing: I wouldn’t like to see the vehicle’s bogged down in the gravel or the state of the portaloos given the amount of traffic on the M25

OVLOV JAY, Are you still working figures out how to make it pay :question: :grimacing:

Have a word with Farmshop and Kitchen (aka Westmorland) who open Gloucester SB on Tuesday am how to sort it. I’ve heard the opening time has moved back an hr to 7am though :open_mouth:

Not trying to work it out at all. As for your point about the cpo, it’s irrelevant, as all msa’s belong to the highways agency and are run by the operators on their behalf, so it would not be a private company making the purchase. And they needn’t be full msa’s anyhow. Just a scrap of ground with a toilet block, much like the 2 by Dunmow on the A120. As for the slip roads, it could be incorporated into all the road improvements they are doing now. And the easiest way to fund it all is to raise business rates on industrial units by 1%. After all, 90% of the lorries using them will be unloading or loading at a form of industrial premises

Your still gonna have clay mores dropped by some dirty scroat

OVLOV JAY:
Not trying to work it out at all. As for your point about the cpo, it’s irrelevant, as all msa’s belong to the highways agency and are run by the operators on their behalf, so it would not be a private company making the purchase.

Totally incorrect but interesting to hear your views.

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You may find this interesting or not
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OVLOV JAY:
And they needn’t be full msa’s anyhow. Just a scrap of ground with a toilet block, much like the 2 by Dunmow on the A120. As for the slip roads, it could be incorporated into all the road improvements they are doing now.

There’s an option of Motorway rest areas or truckstops now but they have to be financially independent, see all the threads on roadside cafes for unviable business models, Dunmow is a ‘picnic area’ managed by Highways England contractors and maintained by gov/taxpayer these are rare and well known for being “areas of tolerance” in France and elsewhere due to some of the ‘activities’ :sunglasses: that go on in them.

OVLOV JAY:
And the easiest way to fund it all is to raise business rates on industrial units by 1%. After all, 90% of the lorries using them will be unloading or loading at a form of industrial premises

Possibly but we live in a “free market” economy and maybe if trucking companies/drivers were more responsible they would up their rates to cover costs rather than being subsidised by others.
You could be confusing MSA’s which are/were provided for divers to take a ‘break’ with Truckstops which are for ‘rest periods’ ?

Anyway have a read here. motorwayservicesonline.co.uk/Main_Page
and read up on the policies, unbuilt services etc

Okay they don’t own every msa, but 21 of them, then lease to the operators
motorwayservicesonline.co.uk/Highways_Agency

As with everything, if the government, central or local, want something done, it will be. Like normal, it’s all too easy to ignore a problem, if you don’t want to face it.

And it’s not solely down to the operators willingness to pay for parking, my firm pays the whole sum loaded or empty, it’s about the demand. If you come out of Felixstowe, for example, with an hour left after 7pm, you can’t legally make safe parking, as everything in that hours drive will be full