Helping at a accident

now this is a warning to all who know a bit about first aid yesterday i was behind a accident not involed it happened in front of me women had a heart attack in a car and hit accelerater hit 1 car and went accross middle reservation and hit another head on i jumped out and made sure people in first car was oki took keys out of ignition and drop em on floor and ran to second car did same driver was oki but had a badley cut hand i pulled his t-shirt off and wrapped it and got a passer-by to hold his hand up then went to third car evryone was standing round looking the women in car was very poorly to say the least i rang police (and put on hold) but they put me through to paramedic service they told me as i do know first aid but wasn’t sure what to do anyways paramedic got there told me i did great probably saved her life thing is police have been to take a statement today and told me if the guy in car i took t-shirt off wanted too i could get done for assault because i pulled his t-shirt off and took his keys out. Int britian great i will defo wont think twice if someone is in trouble before flying in next time BUT makes you think though be careful what you do!!!

Galaxian (Dave)

bloody incredible !
Well done Dave, have a virtual pint on me :smiley:
Plods attitude defies belief (if you get an assault summons give us the address & we will put a stop to it :laughing: )
Well done mate :wink:

As a former Army Medic and member of the St Johns for 30 yrs, and having been a proffesional First Aid/medical aid instructor, you won’t have to worry about what the PC Copper said.
Removing the ignition key and putting it on the floor is a fully recognised method on ensuring everybodies health and safety. The number of idiots who will try and start up a car.
The use of the casualties T shirt is use of whatever means is available, and is true first aid, the treatment of a casualty with whatever means is available, apart from which, were you supposed to use your own T shirt.
Any good First Aid book will tell you all this.

About 12 month ago i stoped in the middle of the road to stop the trafic. A van had turnd over the driver was ok. it was on a duelcarrageway . the police came and i got bretherliser test and it was nothing to do with me. so now i gust pull to the side of the road . and wait. I was on the A64 acouple of months ago and it was snowing could not get up the hill so pulled over with hasedes on. yep cars went pased me and stoped. i find this is the best thing to do.

AS LONG AS NO ONE IS HEART

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Bit of a trauma that Galaxian, I must say I don’t envy the position you ended up in. Having said that I would have done the same thing. Even if I had read this post before coming across the situation, then I’m sorry I would have done the exact same thing.

The thing is that to everybody with an ounce of common sense you did the right thing.
Just because some smart arced lawyer or some idiotic copper thinks differently then so be it.

Think about it like this. If that had been your mother that had had the heart attack or yourself that had been injured wouldn’t you want a passer by to do the same.

I make no apologies for always doing stuff like this. If I see someone broke down I will always try to ensure that they are ok and have got help arranged. If they haven’t I’ll do all I can to help.

I really do think it’s time to halt all the do gooders attempts at stopping us,(the British public) helping out one another. To be honest I don’t give a dam if the young lady I stop to offer help to thinks I’m some sort of murdering ■■■■■■ [zb].(because she reads about it all the time in the papers) I know that I’m not and I also know that if it had been my wife and kids stranded then I would be thankful that someone had stopped to help them out.

Don’t let the buggers get you down. You know you did the right thing

Just a little one…oh, and buggers is allowed!!!L. :wink:

just as a note all i did ie taking keys out of ignition and using the bloke’s
own t-shirt all came from my days in the army so i did learn something else apart from getting very drunk at every occasion i could :slight_smile:

I think the problem stems from these vulture solicitors who offer no win no wages for them. I was told on my ADR course to be careful and leave it to the emergency service, after the basics of recovery position and check breathing that is.

If owt ever happens to me you all have my permission to help me.

Thanks in advance :stuck_out_tongue:

If owt ever happens to me you all have my permission to help me

sorry wheelnut your past that stage for help

next stop is the nut house :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

Sounds to me like those injured were lucky you were there.
You have definately got no worries about assault allegations. You should get a medal

Galaxian,You’ve done the right thing,what do the police expect?Stand around and watch someone bleed to death?
Another tip is if your truck is involved in any way in an accident,DON"T MOVE IT!!.Found out the hard way when mr public thought it would be fun to try and beat me on a converging lane.When the solicitors letter came from him it was a very different story to what actually happened.
I know that moving your truck out of the traffic to keep the traffic flowing is done in the best intentions,it can cause serious repurcussions if you move fom the accident scene without taking photos etc and jot down the number plates of other vehicles who you think might have witnessed the crash.If police atend to move you as you are blocking traffic,even better as they can see what has occured. A disposable camera,cheap insurance, is always in my posession as I learnt the hard way on the honesty of some peope and their legal “Vultures”

If I remember my First Aid training correctly there is a get out clause, even if you do get it wrong, if you are giving First Aid, you cannot be sued or prosecuted, as its an act of help, not a service.

I used to work for an organisation that specialises in rescueing people, putting out fires, attending RTAs, etc. If we ever witnessed an accident, whilst off work, we used to stay well away ! There’s no get-out if you make a mistake, you are still liable - never heard of civil prosecutions, compensation lawyers, no win/no fee, etc. Most people would be grateful of your assistance, however, some would take you to court if they knew they could get a nice fat cheque out of it !

Lawyers won’t touch you with a bargepole, so you don’t need to worry.

There IS a get out clause. You CANNOT get done for administering first aid. It used to happen, but the government nipped it in the bud, rightly so.

Quite frankly, the only option is to try and sue you, and since you’re a truck driver, not a millionaire, what benefit would anyone get out of it anyway? The lawyers wouldn’t get paid so they won’t take the case.

I believe in france it is illegal NOT to help.

pa.essortment.com/goodsamaritanl_redg.htm A link about the law as it stands in the US. Its similar for the uk, but not as official. I think.

i don’t think its law in france, but it is in germany

Good on ya Glalaxian. The world needs more people like you who aren’t afraid to get stuck in to help people out. I reckon it’d get thrown out of court if he pressed charges.

If I were a copper on the scene of an accident and an injured party wanted to press charges against a first aider I’d tell him to stop being so soft and be grateful. :unamused:

There IS a get out clause. You CANNOT get done for administering first aid. It used to happen, but the government nipped it in the bud, rightly so.

This is a true story… A woman had been watching one of these 999 programmes on the TV. During the show, someone demonstrated how to administer a tourniquet to an injured limb or digit. Shortly after the show there was a RTA outside her house. The womans runs out to see if she could help anybody although she is not a qualified first-aider. One of the drivers had a serious head wound so she practices what she has just learnt from the TV ! When we turned up, the driver was dead through strangulation - she got 2 years for manslaughter !!! There is no get-out clause !

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Thats a pretty extreme case Brummie -she murdered a guy!

Don’t think using a t-shirt for a bandage is quite on the same level.

Dratsabasti, I am a Divisional Officer for my local St.John Ambulance, in my truck I carry a First Response Kit, including kit for airway management.

What Galaxian did was spot on and 99% sure prevented further risk of injury.

If you have the appropriate training, use it.

St John Ambulance run 4day First at Work Courses and offer insurance to protect you against any complaints. I am personally covered by St. Johns.

No court in there right mind would prosecute you for what you did.

Keep up the good work - 5*****'s

Recently spoke to a former colleague to clarify the situation…

THERE IS NO CLAUSE IF YOU GET IT WRONG !

The reason for this is that if you don’t particularly like someone then what’s stopping you from “topping” that person ? You phone the Police/Ambulance, explaining that you’ve come across someone that has been severely beaten. When they arrive, you make it look like your giving your victim assistance. Extreme, I know but stranger and more bizarre things have happened !

Anyway, criminal proceedings can be brought against you for gross negligence, manslaughter, etc. If criminal proceedings fail then you can be guaranteed that civil proceedings will brought against you if your victim has any family; remember, we live in a “blame culture”.

Its all to do with insurance. For example, if you’re a qualified first-aider at work, you’re not qualified, and therefore not insured to help anybody in the street; you do so at your own risk ! Your fist-aid certificate only covers you in the workplace.

If a member of the emergency services makes a blunder whilst at work, then that individual can be sued in name only, compensation is paid by whatever service they’re employed by. However, if they go to the aid of someone, in their own time and make a mistake, then that individual is solely responsible for their actions because they’re not insured.

As Cornish Trucker explained:

“St Johns Ambulance run a 4-day First-Aid at Work course and offer insurance to protect you against any complaints; I am personally covered by St. Johns

If your boss asked you to do something at work for which you’re not insured, would you do it ? Or, would you drive your neighbour’s vehicle, on the open road, with the full knowledge that you’re not insured to drive it ?

Besides, RTAs are a whole different ball game, they’re not as simple as someone collapsing in the street. St Johns Ambulance and First Aiders are generally not trained to deal with these situations because it involves “trauma management” and the like. For example, your first-aider is likely to try and remove the victim from the vehicle to give mouth-to-mouth, CPR, etc. and then put that person in the “recovery position”. Emergency services personnel will firstly immobilise the head and strap the victim to his car seat. CPR is administered whilst the victim is still in the car. The roof is then cut off, the seat cut out, and whole lot is put into the ambulance ! The victim will only be removed from the seat in the presence of A&E Trauma personnel as it is quite likely that person may be suffering from spinal injuries.

What Galaxian did was admirable. And yes, I would go to the aid of someone else in distress but it would have to depend on the circumstances - I can’t afford to be sued, I’m a truck driver not a millionaire !

scenario… women and child in car after accident…car on fire…both trapped or both suffering back or and neck injuries… do we as people with feelings leave them to burn to death? or do we risked being sued for trying to rescue them because by pulling them from the burning vehicle one or both end up being paralysed…now what galaxian did was perhaps more than what some of us would have done, and would have he have been able to sue if any of the injured parties who he helped had had hiv or aids and he had contracted the virus through their blood and they just happened not to mention it? i was once billed £60 by a local council for smashing a window in a council property to get a woman and child out of the burning house. makes you think twice about offering help.