Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but he can ask for everything he has asked for, you should by law have it all to hand or available. Yes, I have all the docs, but under which section of Vosa’s remit does it state this ?
And IMHO the request is a reaction to the roadside attitude.
This is of course correct, however
And wing tops are only a legal requirement where the unit is not pulling a trailer
The unit was pulling a trailer and I advised him that they were not required, but that’s when he said they are and I’m
issueing a PG9 with a Full test not partial, and that’s when i called him a [zb] Idiot etc
Then stop screwing around and send my letter with a few adjustments…they’re not Gods you know…just think they are.Both MP’s in Nottingham are Labour,
we have a Conservative government give your local man a letter indicating your harrasment…once went to court in Sittingbourne having contacted my MP and the attitude of Vosa’s legal rep was totally unusual so much I got case dismissed for an overloading offence.
Can anyone show 100% in black and white that running without wingtops is legal or illegal while pulling a trl. Everyone seems to be suggesting this but We had one done at beattock. Which i fought and lost. The outcome was if we wanted to run without wingtops we needed to fit spray suppression on the trl.
Since then i have heard of a few similar tales. I think it varies from area to area and inspector but you cant win. I put 2 scania in for test in a week. Both on supers on the front. Neither had spats. One passed and one failed!
wing tops do need to be fitted end of! (otherwise the spray supression is incomplete)
if you type dvt 846 into google you will get all the info you need
moose
Moose:
wing tops do need to be fitted end of! (otherwise the spray supression is incomplete)
if you type dvt 846 into google you will get all the info you need
moose
Moose:
wing tops do need to be fitted end of! (otherwise the spray supression is incomplete)
if you type dvt 846 into google you will get all the info you need
moose
i see your point wheel nut! i have had some dealings with vosa in the past as regards spray supression, this was after having a new flat body buit on a 6 wheeler in 2001, the bodybuilder told me that if you have 4 inch or less between the top of the tyre and the bottom of the body you could go without the horizontal strip of spray supression and get away with just a spray flap beind the wheels!
at the time it suited my needs for strapping concrete beams to the chock rail’s, but it was also a test fail!
do you have a better link to the tester’s guide with the dimensions and pics as in dvt 846?
you wont pass a test with wing tops missing, if you do it’s only luck not law!
Current MOT testers’ manual states (someting like) you can remove them if hitched to a trailer that necessitates it but they must be stored in or on the unit. So if VOSA pull you running without them and they’re not stowed on the unit somewhere it’s a fine - I assume the thinking is you might need to bobtail
I’ve presented tractor trailer combinations like this for test with no issues.
Own Account Driver:
Current MOT testers’ manual states (someting like) you can remove them if hitched to a trailer that necessitates it but they must be stored in or on the unit. So if VOSA pull you running without them and they’re not stowed on the unit somewhere it’s a fine - I assume the thinking is you might need to bobtail
I’ve presented tractor trailer combinations like this for test with no issues.
you are wrong! i have just read the 2012 edt, vehicles that require spray supression require complete wings!!
Heavy Goods Vehicle Inspection Manual
14 Spray Suppression, Wings and Wheel Arches
Application
Wings and Wheel Arches
This inspection applies to all vehicles and trailers.
Road wheels must have associated with them equipment or part of the body which, as far as is practicable, catches mud or water thrown up by the wheels as they rotate. Check that the wing covers the whole width of the tyre especially where wide “Super Single” tyres are fitted to the front axle.
A trailer used for or in connection with the carriage of round timber does not require the fitment of wings.
With regard to the requirements for wings and wheel arches, a vehicle may be passed without wings if it is known that in normal use a semi-trailer/body/ container is carried which fulfils the requirements of a wing i.e. a vehicle presented for annual test towing a trailer and the wing tops are not fitted on the vehicle due to the trailer being very close to the tyres. This is not a reason for failure providing the rotation of the wheels does not permit mud or water to be thrown directly on the road surface and providing the wing tops are carried on the vehicle.
It is important to note however that this does not apply to spray suppression and therefore vehicles subject to the spray suppression requirements must have complete wings.
Mudflaps
If a mudflap is an extension to a wing or similar fitting, a missing or damaged mud flap is not a Reason for Failure, unless the vehicle is required to have one to comply with spray suppression requirements.
Where a mudflap is fitted in place of a wing, i.e. it serves the purpose of a wing (as on some semi-trailers) it must be treated as a wing and be securely fixed to prevent excessive movement.
Moose:
wing tops do need to be fitted end of! (otherwise the spray supression is incomplete)
if you type dvt 846 into google you will get all the info you need
moose
i see your point wheel nut! i have had some dealings with vosa in the past as regards spray supression, this was after having a new flat body buit on a 6 wheeler in 2001, the bodybuilder told me that if you have 4 inch or less between the top of the tyre and the bottom of the body you could go without the horizontal strip of spray supression and get away with just a spray flap beind the wheels!
at the time it suited my needs for strapping concrete beams to the chock rail’s, but it was also a test fail!
do you have a better link to the tester’s guide with the dimensions and pics as in dvt 846?
you wont pass a test with wing tops missing, if you do it’s only luck not law!
I will dig the testers manual out and scan a page.
Did you notice that the early Mercedes Actros was illegal from the factory as the gaps between the Spray suppression and the wings was too large.
VOSA would have had a duckfit with the old FIAT / Iveco with the roller blinds
On trailers where all the wheels steer, it may appear to be incompatible to fit spray suppression, these vehicles are not exempt
but spray suppression only needs fitting as far as it is practicable.
I drove a scania mega for Stobart. We never drove with the wing tops on as they were soon ripped to shreds by the trailer. I took mine of and strapped them to the rear wall of the unit.
Last year I was pulled at Penrith by vosa. He went through everything with a fine tooth comb. I was issued with a prohibition for a seized brake calliper on the trailer.
The bloke was an ■■■■■■■■ and I put an official complaint in via vostapos website. (no problem with the defect just the way I was spoken to and dealt with).
Despite this he never blinked at the missing wing tops.
It changed my view of vosa anyway. I know it don’t help much i just hope you make it awkward for the bullying ■■■■■ to deal with.
Great Stuff !!! this is the info I required, thank you, The Heavy Goods Vehicle Inspection Manual, Consolidated Edition 2011
section 14, Spray Suppression, Wings and Wheel Arches:-
Quote: With regard to the requirements for wings and wheel arches,a vehicle may be passed without wings, if it is known that in normal use a semi-trailer/body/container is carried which fulfills the requirement of a wing i.e. a vehicle presented for annual test towing a trailer and the wing tops are not fitted on the vehicle due to the trailer being very close to the tyres. This is not a reason for failure providing the rotation of the wheels does not permit mud or water to be thrown directly on the road surface and providing the wing tops are carried on the vehicle etc etc
Had a quick read of this thread and as someone who defends people when they get these sort of letters here is what the angle is - and no I’m not touting for business you are too far away from me.
The reason for fuel receipts is missing mileages, big big crack down so if you have any - like truck going for MOT back it up with MOT date.
WTD - being asked about this every time - could be this years hot topic now so make sure you have records. Drivers time sheets are not needed if you use tacho’s to record all working time but make sure they have manual entries to cover any non driving time.
This is a fishing exercise to try and find something to take you for PI - expect it to last six months and unless its found, you will get a really patronising letter saying no action.
Just take a deep breath and remember he probably has a smaller willy than you so he’s jealous.
What ■■■■■■ me off about this wtd thing is vosa give the impression fairly that they they are taking a relaxed approach to enforcing it but if like the OP they want to put one up you for whatever reason & can’t find anything else wrong then they will probably prosecute you for it. Madness.
I am not sure what the exact rules are in the respect of the wing tops but what i do know is that VOSA testers and VOSA road side inspectors run out of 2x different manuals. VOSA testers run of (don’t quote) plating and weight (or something like) and VOSA roadside inspectors run off construction and use. I Don’t know if there is any difference in regards to this rule, but i’d check it before i went wading in!!
Sounds like you will have to provide everything they are asking for, but there is no reason you can’t put them to an enormous amount of extra work. Demand itemised receipts for EVERY SINGLE PIECE OF PAPER you send them. ie not just fuel receipts “july to september”, but “receipt for: reg no nm51 mnm 15/7/11 trowell services 200litres derv” etc.
t think they have any special cases, one thing I did notice was that any alterations to clear rope hooks and the like are illegal