I am having an ongoing argument / debate with a friend of mine who runs a small fleet of coaches.
He reckons that he can get an unrestricted o licence for road haulage using his passenger transport CPC, I recon he is wrong and he would need a road haulage CPC. It’s not clear online as all it seems to say is CPC or equivalent qualification. What do you motley crew think?
you’re right !
from GV79 ( O licence application form )
You must have a qualified Transport Manager ™ to hold a Standard National or Standard International licence. The TM must hold a Certificate of Professional Competence (CPC) in Road Haulage Operations, equivalent qualification or exemption
Denis Is right, I can’t start a coach/bus business on my haulage “O” licence. regards Kevmac47
Denis F:
you’re right !
Thought I was! Thanks lads!
MysonVinnie:
Denis F:
you’re right !Thought I was! Thanks lads!
just edited my post with proof
he techincally has module one the legal and business context for PVC, would just require to do modules 3 & 5 but with new rules would have to do it all.
Denis F:
you’re right !from GV79 ( O licence application form )
You must have a qualified Transport Manager ™ to hold a Standard National or Standard International licence. The TM must hold a Certificate of Professional Competence (CPC) in Road Haulage Operations, equivalent qualification or exemption
So his CPC isn’t classed as an equivalent qualification?
MysonVinnie:
Denis F:
you’re right !from GV79 ( O licence application form )
You must have a qualified Transport Manager ™ to hold a Standard National or Standard International licence. The TM must hold a Certificate of Professional Competence (CPC) in Road Haulage Operations, equivalent qualification or exemption
So his CPC isn’t classed as an equivalent qualification?
No, the equivalent qualification is normally through membership of a trade body such as;
Standard national and standard international licences
Fellow or Member of the Institute of Logistics and Transport (formerly the Chartered Institute of Transport in the UK) by examination or formal accreditation in Road Freight Transport.
Certificate in Transport (Road Freight) awarded by the Chartered Institute of Logistics and Transport.
Honorary Fellow, Fellow or Member of the Society of Operations Engineers.
Fellow or Associate of the Institute of the Furniture Warehousing and Removing Industry.
Fellow or Associate of the Movers Institute.
Associate of the Institute of Transport Administration by examination.Standard national licences
Member of the Chartered Institute of Logistics and Transport (formerly the Chartered Institute of Transport in the UK) by examination or formal accreditation in Road Freight Transport.
Certificate in Transport (Road Freight) awarded by the Institute of Logistics and Transport.
Associate Member of the Society of Operations Engineers (by examination).
General and Ordinary Certificate in Removals Management issued by the Institute of the Furniture Warehousing and Removals Industry.
National Certificate in Removals Management issued by the Movers Institute.
RSA Certificate in Road Freight Transport which specifically contains a footnote granting exemption.
The strangest thing is that with a C+E licence I can drive an articulated vehicle or a rigid lorry carrying explosives, radioactive material or any other dangerous goods, I can carry racehorses or any other animals, yet I cannot drive a 4 wheel bus or coach with fare paying passengers. The tachograph laws are not so far apart for passenger transport from road transport, yet I can use AETR, Domestic Rules or EC 561/2006 to operate lorries, but cannot operate coaches.
MysonVinnie:
So his CPC isn’t classed as an equivalent qualification?
No mate, 'fraid not.
The equivalence thing means equivalent to a CPC in Road Haulage, which a PCV CPC isn’t.