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There’s no doubt he was too close. I can only say “let he who is without sin cast the first stone!”

Amen.

Thats definetly a Stobart truck, Eddie Stobart, give them a call and complain! you might get Fiona to come round with some cream cakes to say sorry.

ROG:
A cycle is entitled to use the whole width of the lane they are in

It is up to the road user overtaking them to give them the space that they are entitled to

Many who have been driving for a long time often tend to be a little lax on the thinking about this type of issue but for someone just out of basic LGV training this should be fresh in their mind…

I am entitled, in the absence of any parking restrictions, to park my vehicle in a cycle lane marked on the carriageway - wherever possible I do not, as that would make it more difficult for cyclists.
As a cyclist, they are entitled to the full width of the lane - BUT that makes it more difficult for other road users. If I can avoid parking in their lane, why can’t they move over when being followed by a large vehicle?
Just my two pennorth :wink: And I still think he’s trolling just to get some good quotes for his blog.

As a cyclist myself, the truck was way too close. As a truck driver myself, the truck was way too close.

Some of the venom I read on here directed at cyclists puts me in mind of a bunch of car drivers moaning about the slow vehicle in front of them that’s holding them up and not pulling over to let them past, and saying that they should only be allowed to use the slow lane, and doing ANYTHING to get in front of that slow vehicle in front that shouldn’t be allowed on the road anyway. :smiley:

As a non cycling member of a cycling forum I can state that 99% of the cycle riders on it would say it was stupid if a rider was shown on a video doing unsafe things just like many have done on here in response to see what the LGV driver did in the video

I am surprised that the registration number of the truck was not obtained by the rider or the footage and then passed onto the police for them to directly or indirectly ‘have a word’ with the LGV driver perhaps by simply letting the company know there was a complaint

ROG:

Sam Millar:
… not to mention you could of been further left as you were pretty much in the middle of the road.

rubberduckY1234:
i have to say for a cyclist you are taking up a lot of road so its your own fault

A cycle is entitled to use the whole width of the lane they are in

It is up to the road user overtaking them to give them the space that they are entitled to

Many who have been driving for a long time often tend to be a little lax on the thinking about this type of issue but for someone just out of basic LGV training this should be fresh in their mind…

Its all very well quoting the rules of the road to motorised vehicle road users as long as the very people you’re talking about evading ride with the same rules in mind, which in my experience, without making sweeping generalisations most don’t. In London now, with Boris’ “Cycle super highways” its a miracle if you can get to your destination without killing one of them. While I have to agree (again) that the lorry was too close, cyclists need to bear in mind that they are responsible for their own actions too.

MrHappy:
… cyclists need to bear in mind that they are responsible for their own actions too.

Now THAT I can agree with. If you want to use the highways (in, or on, whatever vehicle you like) then take responsibility for your own actions. I think it’s called mitigating the dangers…

Lycanthrope:
Thats definetly a Stobart truck, Eddie Stobart, give them a call and complain! you might get Fiona to come round with some cream cakes to say sorry.

:laughing: :laughing:

MrHappy:
Its all very well quoting the rules of the road to motorised vehicle road users as long as the very people you’re talking about evading ride with the same rules in mind, which in my experience, without making sweeping generalisations most don’t… While I have to agree (again) that the lorry was too close, cyclists need to bear in mind that they are responsible for their own actions too.

I agree with you

Knowing what should be done can be very different to what is actually happening but without compulsory training for ALL road users and compulsory assessments to show that the driver or rider still KNOWS how to do things correctly then we are going to be left with the current situation where it is left up to an individual to do or think in any way which they think is right

Shocking piece of driving. If that happenned to me I would take it personally. Best of Luck. It would help if We knew where u were - unless iv missed that bit…

you lived.
what’s up? :unamused:

magnatom:
Gladly. Have a look here (The Mind of a Helmet Camera Cyclist: Get in The Bloody Cycle Lane!!)
Let me know what you think. :slight_smile:

What I think?

As a cyclist I think you are weird.

First you complaining that cycle lanes are dangerous, and then you are choosing to ride on the road, when you have to deal with drivers annoyed with you not using cycle lane…

There is no way you convict me that any cycle lane can’t be more dangerous than the busy road (unless you’ll find one which ends right on the top of the cliff and the Indiana Jones style stones are rolled behind every cyclist :stuck_out_tongue:)

So if you don’t like the cycle lane you are supposed to use, just choose alternative route. This is what I do.

As for the OP:

OH THE DRAMA!
Here you go, the soundtrack to it: dramabutton.com/

Off course, the trucker was on the wrong, but if I was starting investigation for every driver who did something wrong, no matter if I was on the cycle, in my car or at work, I would have nothing to do for the rest of my life.

General opinion: as a cyclilst, driver and trucker, I think that there is a great respobsibility for a drivers to look at the cyclists, as they are more vulnerable, but the cyclists themselves should pay more attention to what they do.

It is obviously not the case on your movie, as you did nothing wrong, but I am amazed how ignorant British cyclists are when it comes to the other road users. I barely see any of them looking back when they change the lane for example…

I heard that 1000s times before, when I was living in Poland how bad are the drivers and how agressive they are towards cyclists…

I’ve been riding by bike back then 365 days per year, including winter, and by that I mean real winter, 50cm snow and -15, not the joke you have here, and had never any bigger problems with drivers than if where I was driving a car. It’s simply question of showing them what you are willing to do, respecting their rights on the road (yes, they have some, even when cyclists are concerned) and allowing them to do some minor mistakes as we all do.

Here I recon that cycling is much easier, infrastructure is much better and drivers are much more aware bout cyclists, BUT I find cyclist much more ignorant and forcing their rights on drivers.

I think it’s as simple as that if they tried it in Poland they would be killed instantly, so they behave, while here they are spoiled by drivers in general respecting them on the road :wink:

dramabutton.com/

I love it!! Thanks for making me smile :smiley:

So this has been a wind up. Mr. Head Cam is conspicuous by his absence after stirring it up this morning. Probably polishing his helmet somewhere…

Hi Magnatom.Forgive me for poking my nose in as have not lived in England for many years,and where i live now you see maybe 20 bikes per day[and there’s no traffic anyway].
My question to you is WHY do you wear a helmet camera :question: It can’t be to film the beautiful nature that surrounds you as you drive to work.Is it to especially film anyone or anything which,in your opinion,gets on you’r ■■■■,or to film anything which’‘you’’ don’t like regardless of who or what is at fault.
Iknow Europe is hell to drive in,this is true for eveyone but it ain’t gonna get any better so surely we have to adapt our way of driving to take account of an already bad,and getting worse, road environment. the stress of driving[whatever machine it is]is not going to get better.Mike

As I posted earlier in the thread, I think he’s just copied all of the “rude” replies from us narsty truckers onto his little blog…

ROG:
A cycle is entitled to use the whole width of the lane they are in

But isn’t it the requirement of the law for driver of EVERY VEHICLE to keep left?

It is up to the road user overtaking them to give them the space that they are entitled to

Can’t agree with that. And this is me, cyclists and someone who who treates cyclists like they were full size car and they cycle is the wheels of the car further from me.

Cyclist, as every other road users, have duty to make overtaking of them easier. In some countries (like in Poland for example) they even have a duty to dismounte and take the cycle off the road if that necessary to let the traffic pass…

The Sarge:
As I posted earlier in the thread, I think he’s just copied all of the “rude” replies from us narsty truckers onto his little blog…

Superb. In that case I hope we fulfilled all of his expectations, I know I certainly tried… :laughing:

EastAnglianTrucker:
I’m a truck driver and when I saw your video I have to say I had a lot of sympathy for you. Without question, the tipper shown was way too close.

That said, I’ve often wondered why cyclists, if they’re worried about their safety, as you obviously are, don’t make more use of the very expensive cycle lanes that seem to proliferate like weed, so that you can exercise your right to use your chosen form of transport. So I read your blog and watched your “cycle path” video.

You describe a wide range of potential hazards that cyclists face. People opening car doors, passing close to cars emerging from junctions, badly designed paths that increase the dangers, bad surfaces, even other, slower cyclists get criticism.

But on reflection, the hazards you list as the reasons why you don’t use cycle lanes are exactly the same hazards every road user faces, every time they use the roads.

Believe me, you don’t have a monopoly on having to use dangerous roads. We do it every day, and are exposed to many more hazards and examples of poor road use than you’ll experience whilst on your bike.

Now I know that the bottom line of this argument is that you, as a cyclist, are much more vulnerable to dangers on the road, than I am in a HGV - which I might add I have had to have extensive training to drive, and am subject to stringent and continuous control to ensure, as far as possible, that the dangers the size of my HGV poses to other road users are kept to a minimum.

But the fact is, we are both exposed to dangerous roads, road conditions, and the vagaries of other, more or less experienced, road users.

Unfortunately your video merely underlines the near suicidal zeal you show when demanding your right to ride a bicycle safely. Sorry to be so unsympathetic, but join the queue. We all want to be able to use the roads safely! No-one goes out with the intention of using the roads un-safely!

I demand that other road users don’t put my life in jeopardy. But they do. I demand that bicycle riders don’t behave like complete numpties in front of my heavy goods vehicle. But they do. I demand that women picking up their little kiddi-winks from school, don’t simply ignore other traffic and don’t simply stop in the middle of the road, or on pavements. But they do. I demand that passengers getting off buses don’t walk behind the bus and simply cross the road in front of my truck. But they do. I demand that the government actually creates a sensible transport infrastructure that is simple to use for all who need to travel. But they don’t.

I sympathise with your right to cycle without having your life put in danger, I really do. But if you feel that the conditions are not the way you want them, and that your life is so severely threatened by badly designed road design, poor road conditions, and inconsiderate road users, there’s one simple, common sense solution.

Don’t use a bike on the roads. That way, whilst you may not be able to exercise your rights as completely as you’d like, at least you’ll live to be able to complain to the politicians about how you can’t exercise your God given rights. (And I’ll support you!)

Just think about that. You’ll be alive. Not dead! You’ll have the time to do something about it, rather than complaining about the few occasions where you’ve come close to death.

I’m not sure what you’d expect from the transport firm if you found out who owned the truck shown in your video. If it was my truck, I’d say, “Sorry. Thank goodness you’re still alive and I don’t have to explain to my insurance company and the Traffic Commisioner, why a cyclist was crushed by one of my trucks.”

I don’t want to get into a protracted discussion about the rights and wrongs of your case. But the logic of what I’ve written is irrefutable, and the choice is yours.

(P.S. Take heed. I know full well that if I put my hand in a fire I will experience pain and my skin will be damaged, despite the fact that it is my right to put my hand in the fire. I choose not to exercise that right, because I fear the consequences.)

I agree with all this except the first paragraph. I don’t have much sympathy for them at all, mainly due to the no tax/no ins thing which left me with a £500 repair bill to my own car many many years ago when a cyclist lost control and slammed into the side. I don’t think the tipper was that close either. Sure, he couldn’t have moved out more but it was hardly a brush with death and there would’ve been plenty of room if you hadn’t been riding down the middle of the road.

Until cyclists can maintain a minimum of 30mph on all gradients of road then they shouldn’t be allowed to ride on them imho, same for tractors, horses etc.

hutpik:
My question to you is WHY do you wear a helmet camera :question: It can’t be to film the beautiful nature that surrounds you as you drive to work.Is it to especially film anyone or anything which,in your opinion,gets on you’r ■■■■,or to film anything which’‘you’’ don’t like regardless of who or what is at fault.

Isn’t it obvious? To take revenge on all this evil drivers. If not by reporting them to the Police, at least by posting them on Youtube… :slight_smile: