"Heavy Haulage through the years"

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Hi Patrick, picture no:5 is that what looks like a scammell lowloader unusual for use in europe in those days, like the ex US army trailers, used a few them back in old days.

Hiya Chris, you’re alright mate? That was my first thought too, not sure if it’s indeed a Scammell product that was exported, or that it was a Spanish copy…?

The ex-US trailers, that would be the Roger drawbar trailers? I saw a lot of examples of those trailers being converted and taking quite the weight… a good design from the start then it seems

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No remorse then David, for not having taken the job as TM? How old were you when you went from being a TM back to driving, if you don’t mind me asking? As I’m looking into ways of leaving a permanent driving position in a few years time from now, I don’t reckon I would be much good as a TM, but I would like to be involved in the heavy haulage sector one way or another.

No, no remorse at all. I was 40 when I decided that the international transport managers licence (TML/CPC) that I had had from the day they were first introduced, like my HGV licence, grandfather rights, needed to be put back to use before I got too old for the road.

I spent a year driving a mini skip, no nights out, so I was free for interviews before getting the job at Courtauld’s, later Toray, but after 11 years I had had enough of taking to the road myself whenever I could to get a fix. So I told them I was going nuts and asked to be a driver, which was granted. I was 52 by then and happy enough with my new F10 wagon and drag but my successor’s insecurity thinking that at any moment I would claim my job back tainted it, so when I heard they were looking for redundancies I grabbed it and legged it to France within the week.

3 years with Gauthier before retirement and then 7 of playing petanque before the itchy feet took over again. So I discovered that dogs needed rescuing and delivering all over Europe and I was back in business.

The road is a drug Patrick to some of us, are you sure you will be able to kick the habit?

I consider myself lucky in that respect Dave , I couldn’t contemplate life off the road but heart problems saw my licence gone overnight at 62 .I had to put it behind me mentally straight away but I have many workmates plodding on into their late70s because they couldn’t alter their mindset . No use trying to get out of driving , you have to be determined to do it from the off and have a determination to change your lifestyle . I think you will agree that you’ll live longer if you aren’t stuck behind a wheel . I’ve talked my son round and he retires at 55 next year after 33 years driving while he still , hopefully , has his health .Thankfully our grandson went into computers and makes more in a month than I could make in a year .

I wouldn’t mind playing petanque right now David

Thing is, a wise man once said to me, that if I wanted to do something else, I had to bail out before…erm… a certain age, because once past that age, you’ll be deemed too old to change jobs. I’m coming up to that age, and I do realise that you “experienced” men think I’m still wet behind the ears, I’ve been in the game for nearly 20 years now, most of that time spent in the heavy haulage sector, and I can feel the results of that, the knees and joints of my hands are slowly starting to protest. I did however tried something else, but I soon realised I just missed the pleasure of driving.

Sorry to hear that you had to give it up because of heart problems mate! I fully agree with you that it takes a certain attitude and determination to do this job Dave, and that’s the thing, I just can’t see myself doing a “from 9 to 5” job. Or any other job that includes driving a lorry for that matter, as I’m only interested in this particular niche of the industry and my knowledge about general haulage is quite limited. In that sence I would like to keep on going and semi-retire at 55 like your son and enjoy the rest of my life. I’ve had several colleagues that passed away shortly after retirement, you never know what the masterplan is going to be, but I for one am not looking forward to that scenario.

But the most clever one of the lot must be your grandson, if only I knew how to work these computer thingies…

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Anyway, back to more important matters

Anyone ever heard of Kynos? Apparently it was a Spanish firm that made vehicles for military purposes, although the one pictured seemed to have ended up on “civvy street”.

Here’s a link with some more information; military-today.com/trucks/kynos_aljaba.htm

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TruckNetUK . Old Time Lorries . Heavy Haulage Through The Years . 178-180 . Mysterious Heavy Haulage Ballast Diesel Road Locomotive & Mysterious Heavy Haulage

Tractive Unit - Road Locomotive. Monday,25th January,2021 . VALKYRIE.

QUOTE:DEANB » Tuesday,12th January,2021 11:26 am

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PV83 wrote:
Some from the archives of Telleria.

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Cant say those TOR’s plated at 1000 tons do alot for me Patrick.Far too modern chap.

Now this motor is much more appealing. What is it ,Kenworth ■■
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QUOTE: PV83 » Thursday,14th January,2021 8:35 pm

DEANB wrote:
PV83 wrote:
Some from the archives of Telleria.

Cant say those TOR’s plated at 1000 tons do alot for me Patrick.Far too modern chap.

Now this motor is much more appealing. What is it ,Kenworth ■■

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Great pic of the cranes lifing the bridge section,looks a tight fit.
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Modern or not, they’re quite unique Dean, as only two of them were built

I think it’s an Oshkosh, but I might be wrong… as usual…
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Hello I’ve been offline with no Internet and no landline telephone from last Thursday afternoon,21st January,until Monday morning,25th January,2021 due to

Sky connection problems at my local green-painted exchange box Otherwise,I would have posted this post much earlier

The lorry on the left looks familiar…
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International Harvester. International XM523E2 - 8066,25-Ton,6x6-4,HET Tractive Unit & International DCO250H,■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■ Tractive Unit.Richard Dan Hill & Bill Damon,circa 1970.USA ATM-Facebook.3#

International Harvester. International XM523E2 - 8066,International Diesel Oil-Engined,25-Ton,6x6-4,Fruehauf XM524E2 Semi-Trailer,55-Ton HET=Heavy Equipment Transporter,USA Military .BigMackTrucks.3#

And so the Mysterious Heavy Haulage Ballast Diesel Road Locomotive is :-

International Harvester. International XM523E2 - 8066,International-Engined,6x6,Heavy Haulage Ballast Diesel Road Locomotive,Transportes Tellería,Mexico.TN,OTL,HHTTY,180.1-2021.PV83.8#

The International XM523E2 - 8066 was based on the civilian International 8066 Payhauler 6x4 Dumptruck,and a military version of this motor truck was

designed and built for the USA Military as a Heavy Equipment Transporter - HET to transport tanks and other heavy equipment and its model designation

was XM523E2 - 8066,and operated in conjunction with the dedicated and purpose-built Fruehauf XM542E2 55-Ton Low-Bed Semi-Trailer. At least 48 of

these outfits were built.They were built in 1964 and 1965 and maybe later,and were interim HET’s being replaced in the early 1970s by the Ward LaFrance

M746 - HET-70,Faun SLT50-2 Elefant and OshkoshM911 -F2365 HET’s.

International XM523E2 - 8066 specifications: International Harvester DTI-817,817 CID-13-4 Litre,Turbocharged and Intercooled,6-Cylinder,375 BHP Diesel Engine,Clark Power Shift 4F1R Automatic Gearbox in four ranges - 16F - with torque convertor,planetary gear axles,30-ton hydraulic winch.

Most if not all of these International XM523E2 - 8066 HET outfits were in service in the then West Germany during at least some of their military

career.This model is definately one of my SRIBSMVS!

I don’t know if these International road locomotives are still in service with Transportes Tellería (I hope they are),but considering these are now above fifty

years old,and at least some of these International XM523E2’s are still going strong in civvy street (one example was for sale in 2018),shows how well built

and designed,durable and tough these military motor trucks are - not only these but military vehicles in general! World War Two Scammell

Pioneers,AEC Matadors,Diamond T 980 & 981s,Mack MNs,etc after the war worked in civvy street for decades performing all kinds of different uses!

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QUOTE: PV83 » Thursday,14th January,2021 8:47 pm

This might be a Oshkosh too Dean, with an immaculate ballast box mounted

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And the Mysterious Heavy Haulage Tractive Unit-Road Locomotive is:

Cline TD-1120,Normal Control-Conventional,8x4 Twin Steer,Heavy Haulage Tractive Unit-Road Locomotive,MC Hugh Brothers.Originally a 6x4 dumptruck,then converted into 8x4. PV83-S.Berliner III.12# Its performing the role of a heavy haulage ballast diesel road locomotive in this photograph

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Kynos for you Patrick.
Oily

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Quite the conversion!

Found an old advert, apparently they were much stronger than thought…

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Kynos for you Patrick.
Oily

Those first two pic’s are really fascinating Oily, had no idea that they made dragline cranes too!

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Another very informative post Valkyrie, very much appreciated mate, ta!

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Looks like a Willeme, could be a MOL, but it says PRP…? Who knows more about it? (nmp)

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Looks like a Willeme, could be a MOL, but it says PRP…? Who knows more about it? (nmp)

Done a bit o googling and find Willeme were taken over by PRP(Perez et Raymond) in 1970 and another bit here offroadvehicle.ru/AZBUCAR/PE … 20txt.html
have to apply your multilingual skills Patrick it’s all double dutch to me
Oily
ps some brill photos here myntransportblog.com/category/p … t-raymond/

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pv83:
Looks like a Willeme, could be a MOL, but it says PRP…? Who knows more about it? (nmp)

Done a bit o googling and find Willeme were taken over by PRP(Perez et Raymond) in 1970 and another bit here offroadvehicle.ru/AZBUCAR/PE … 20txt.html
have to apply your multilingual skills Patrick it’s all double dutch to me
Oily
ps some brill photos here myntransportblog.com/category/p … t-raymond/

michel:
MOL acquired Perez and Raimond ,who had bought themselves the rights after the demise of Willeme .Here building heavy 8x4 PRP with Pelpel cabs.

Michel posted this one page back Oily, it was right under our noses! I just didn’t realised that they sold them under their own brand name too.
Nice find though, although my russian is a bit… erm… rusty…

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Some more from the Spanish old shoe box collection (nmp)…

Anyone ever had a go in those Spanish Dodges?

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Dennis Javelin:
Pickfords moving a loco from the North British works in Glasgow to (I assume) the docks for export

Cheers Dennis, I was watching a clip the other day of one of the 100 tonners when MRS owned it, I’ll try to post a link on here.

youtube.com/watch?v=Cb_pKvqO5K0

youtube.com/watch?v=mL1KzG-DoSk

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Great pic mate, cheers

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A couple for DIG, although not in Australia… From the Kenworth archives

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A couple for DIG, although not in Australia… From the Kenworth archives

Never seen “bum to bum” coupling before! (Pic 3). Must have been rather awkward to operate!

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pv83:
A couple for DIG, although not in Australia… From the Kenworth archives

Never seen “bum to bum” coupling before! (Pic 3). Must have been rather awkward to operate!

You’d certainly need good retros, Froggy.

Perhaps to spread the load a little further apart over that trestle bridge ? If the pusher was the right way round connected by a bar all the weight at that end would be on a trailer bogie (which they don’t have). Or perhaps they simply don’t have a bogie available? Come to think of it, they don’t have a trailer either.