Just a quick question for those in the know. If i transport a generator along with a 1000ltr diesel tank, do i need a hazchem licence/cert? Any advice greatly appreciated.
Best wait for Daves reply as im sure he will have the massive orange bible of ADR to hand and come up with the exact answer.
If its a tank built on the generator designed for purpose then might be ok but if its seperate tank then 1000ltr sounds a bit big, may have to be carried in two smaller tanks.
i would have thought not, as you can drive a truck with a 1000 litre fuel tank
i may be entirely wrong though
diesel dave will be along shortly, after he has finished his pies of course 
It’s a seperate tank. They’re using the generators to power mobile phone masts (i think), either that or they’re are going to be used in the construction of phone masts. And the reason for such large tanks is the fact that these masts could be anywhere i.e. up on mountains or in the middle of a field, where there is no access to electricity. And there could be the odd occasion where i may have to carry 2 generators along with 2x1000ltr diesel tanks.
If the tank(s) are m/t and they’ve been “purged” (really ■■■■■■■ clean), then it’s a big fat no.
If they have any amount of derv/gasoil (red diesel 
) in then they’re class 3 (un 1202 
).
You’ll need an “ADR licence”
As long as the tank capacity doesn’t exceed 1000 ltrs ( eg; IBC “Pallet tanks”)then your’e ok with just “Packages”,
if they do exceed 1000 ltrs then you’ll need “in tanks”.
shuttlespanker:
i would have thought not, as you can drive a truck with a 1000 litre fuel tanki may be entirely wrong though
diesel dave will be along shortly, after he has finished his pies of course
IIRC the limit for the vehicles road fuel tank(s) is 1460 ltrs, above that and your’e driving a tanker.
How’s that Dave
busyboy:
Just a quick question for those in the know. If i transport a generator along with a 1000ltr diesel tank, do i need a hazchem licence/cert? Any advice greatly appreciated.
Hi busyboy, I notice that your location is “Ireland,” so the answer will depend on whether you’re in the Republic or Ulster.
If you’re in Ulster then ADR applies as modified by UK Regs.
If you’re in the Republic and doing just national transport, you’ll come under whatever national Regs the Republic has.
If you’re doing cross-border work, then the answer may come from ADR alone.
Once I know where you are and whether your work is national or international, I might be able to give you an accurate answer.
To see whether I’ve read your question correctly, is the “tank” separate to the generator, or is it all built together as one lump of machinery please?
If the “tank” is completely separate to the generator, does it look something like this please??
With the info to hand at this point, my gut feeling tells me that you might not need an ADR licence.
i think he mate mean something like this
fuelproof.co.uk/generatortan … nk1000.htm
and i may be gessing it would look like this on a truck
powerrental.co.uk/images/big-gens/1.jpg
you see the gen and the tank next to it
Imp:
Best wait for Daves reply as im sure he will have the massive orange bible of ADR to hand and come up with the exact answer.
Hi Imp, Yes mate, I’m here with an orange bible in each hand.
Imp:
If its a tank built on the generator designed for purpose then might be ok but if its seperate tank then 1000ltr sounds a bit big, may have to be carried in two smaller tanks.
I can see what you’re saying, but I’m going to play ‘Devil’s advocate’ just for a moment…
Is it possible that the OP might be using the word “tank” when us ADR types would use the word “IBC.”?
We know from the OP that it’s a 1,000 liter something, so if it’s any kind of package, possibly an IBC, then the OP may be exempt because the ADR ‘trigger’ limit for diesel (UN 1202) is 1,000 liters.
Dave’s ‘strange but true’ spot:
An IBC for liquids is a package of greater than 450 liters capacity, but not exceeding three cubic meters.
Part of the definition of an IBC is that it is designed to be mechanically handled, and that’s why many of them appear to be sitting on a pallet. (As in my pic of a typical IBC above.)
Therefore any kind of a “tank” is defined as something else entirely. 
shuttlespanker:
i would have thought not, as you can drive a truck with a 1000 litre fuel tanki may be entirely wrong though
diesel dave will be along shortly, after he has finished his pies of course
Hi Mr Spanky.
I can see where you’re coming from, you’re not exactly wrong but the exemption for fuel carried on board a vehicle for its own propulsion is 1,500 liters as long as the tank(s) are connected to the engine or auxiliary equipment.
(Time for bigger tanks on your trucks methinks )
Without an ADR licence and carrying fuel separately as freight, then the ADR limit is 1,000 litres exactly as you said, but its a completely different exemption for a different reason.
Dave’s ‘strange but true’ spot:
If the “tank” is integral with the generator, then there’s no limit on the fuel carried because machinery containing dangerous goods is ADR exempt But that’s yet another different exemption.
busyboy:
It’s a seperate tank. They’re using the generators to power mobile phone masts (i think), either that or they’re are going to be used in the construction of phone masts. And the reason for such large tanks is the fact that these masts could be anywhere i.e. up on mountains or in the middle of a field, where there is no access to electricity. And there could be the odd occasion where i may have to carry 2 generators along with 2x1000ltr diesel tanks.
Sorry busyboy, I didn’t spot your second post until just now.
I’ll still need the answers to what I’ve asked in my first reply please.
You’ve now made it clear that the “tank(s)” are separate from the generator(s,) so thanks for that.
Goaty:
If the tank(s) are m/t and they’ve been “purged” (really [zb] clean), then it’s a big fat no.
Correct.
Goaty:
If they have any amount of derv/gasoil (red dieselYou’ll need an “ADR licence”
Maybe correct. It’ll depend on whether we’re talking about a “tank” or a package.
If they’re actually packages and they’re empty, then there’s NO limit and anybody can carry any number of them, because they’d be in ADR transport Category 4, which is unlimited.
Goaty:
As long as the tank capacity doesn’t exceed 1000 ltrs ( eg; IBC “Pallet tanks”)then your’e ok with just “Packages”,
OK in principle, BUT… I think you might have got your definitions a little blurred.
A “tank” and an IBC are completely different animals. (We shouldn’t use the word “tank” when we’re discussing IBCs.)
An IBC for liquids is a package of greater than 450 liters capacity, but less than three cubic meters and is designed for mechanical handling. (I think you slipped into error by using “pallet tanks” when you meant an IBC.)
You’re correct about the 1,000 liters in as far as that’s the ADR transport category ‘trigger’ limit for diesel fuel, but that’s the amount loaded on the vehicle, rather than a limit on an individual package size.
Goaty:
if they do exceed 1000 ltrs then you’ll need “in tanks”.
I’m guessing that your “1,000” was a typo and you really meant 3,000. If so, you’re correct again.
(Just give a knowing nod at this point and nobody will notice. )
A tank vehicle is a vehicle to which a TANK of more than 1,000 liters is permanently attached to the chassis. You’re correct that an ADR ‘in tanks’ licence is required for such a vehicle carrying dangerous goods in the tank.
An ADR ‘in tanks’ licence is required when an item of portable transport equipment containing dangerous goods and exceeding three cubic meters is being carried, because it THEN doesn’t meet the definition of an IBC (cos it’s too big) and is therefore a TANK CONTAINER.
Goaty:
IIRC the limit for the vehicles road fuel tank(s) is 1460 ltrs, above that and your’e driving a tanker.
Oooh, so nearly mate!!
It’s 1500 liters and the tank must be directly connected to the engine or auxiliary equipment, so above that you’re in breach of ADR, cos a vehicle doesn’t suddenly turn into a tanker. 
Goaty:
How’s that Dave
Not bad at all Goaty, but to be fair to you, there are a few elements of the OP’s question that aren’t needed to be fully explained (because they don’t form part of the exam questions) in an ADR driver’s course.
delboytwo:
i think he mate mean something like this
Hi Del,
Those count as IBCs mate, just like in my other answers above.
the fact that they’re bunded or the manufacturer/owner calls them a “tank” makes no difference, because ADR has definitions for these. They are IBCs.
delboytwo:
and i may be gessing it would look like this on a truckpowerrental.co.uk/images/big-gens/1.jpg
you see the gen and the tank next to it
Sorry DeI, but can’t see enough detail to form an opinion. 
Let’s wait for the OP to get back to us then we’ll possibly be able to help.
If the OP is doing national work in the Republic of Ireland, we’re all ■■■■■■■ in the wind, cos I haven’t a clue about their national dangerous goods Regs. I don’t fancy getting wet just now.
About ten years ago, when I was on agency I did an emergency job for Greenwoods in Evesham. I was called in during the night to take a generator to Southampton, and when I got there it was ready loaded.
There was a load of cables and stuff, a large generator and a “tank” full of diesel on the trailer. The tank was very similar to the welded steel bunded tanks you see in many transport yards and held a great deal more than 1000 litres. (strapped on to the trailer with ratchet straps.) The delivery was to Southern Electricity to provide emergency power because a substation had failed.
I did ask about the diesel (only had a vague idea about ADR in those days) and was assured that it was OK; stop fannying about, and get cracking because it’s an emergency. They did this stuff all the time. My question is — Were they right and is there an exemption for “emergencies? And what would have happened if I was stopped, or been in an accident?
Thanks everyone for getting back to me. It’s actually a steel bunded generator tank (IBC) as shown in Deldboytwo’s post. In answer to your question DieselDave, It’s national and crossborder work. And we pretty much have the same rules, regulations and laws here as the UK, albeit they may be a bit behind here with some of them, but they’re catching up fairly fast.
busyboy:
Thanks everyone for getting back to me. It’s actually a steel bunded generator tank (IBC) as shown in Deldboytwo’s post. In answer to your question DieselDave, It’s national and crossborder work. And we pretty much have the same rules, regulations and laws here as the UK, albeit they may be a bit behind here with some of them, but they’re catching up fairly fast.
Hi busyboy, Thanks for the clarification about the steel bunded construction, so yes, it’s an IBC.
Now we know that, you can generally carry 1 X 1,000 liter IBC containing diesel fuel without an ADR licence.
If you need to be able to carry more that one, then you would probably need an ADR licence valid for Packages and UN Class 3 as a minimum.
I must make it very clear that the Republic of Ireland will have its own national dangerous goods Regs for domestic national transport and that I haven’t a clue as to their current requirements.
Ulster uses UK national dangerous goods Regs for their own traffic within Ulster.
Cross-border traffic (international) very probably uses ADR, but there may possibly be bi-lateral local agreement(s) between Ulster and the Republic that may have the effect of relaxing some of the requirements.
As you rightly said, they’re catching up, but in this snapshot of time I’m afraid the only 100% answer I can give is that it is for the owner of the vehicle to know the exact legal position.
Thanks DIESELDAVE for taking the time to reply to my post. It’s great to have someone as knowledgable and as wise as yourself, whom confused souls like myself can call upon for advice from time to time. Keep up the good work. Thanks again to you and eveyone else who responded.
Santa:
About ten years ago, when I was on agency I did an emergency job for Greenwoods in Evesham. I was called in during the night to take a generator to Southampton, and when I got there it was ready loaded.There was a load of cables and stuff, a large generator and a “tank” full of diesel on the trailer. The tank was very similar to the welded steel bunded tanks you see in many transport yards and held a great deal more than 1000 litres. (strapped on to the trailer with ratchet straps.) The delivery was to Southern Electricity to provide emergency power because a substation had failed.
I did ask about the diesel (only had a vague idea about ADR in those days) and was assured that it was OK; stop fannying about, and get cracking because it’s an emergency. They did this stuff all the time. My question is — Were they right and is there an exemption for “emergencies? And what would have happened if I was stopped, or been in an accident?
Hi Santa, Yes mate, there is an exemption in ADR for emergency transport as follows:
ADR 1.1.3.1(e)
Emergency transport intended to save human lives or protect the environment provided that all measures are taken to ensure that such transport is carried out in complete safety
Whether somebody could prove that lives were at stake is a matter for discussion.
ADR doesn’t further define an “emergency,” so there’s another word that could be discussed for a while.
There are some other circumstances in which emergency transport can be effected, but that relies on supervision and escorting by the emergency services following an incident, so not relevant here.
As the overall Competent Authority for all ADR matters in the UK, the Department for Transport (DfT) can grant emergency relaxations of Regulations (such as has happened with regard to drivers’ hours sometimes,) but that’s normally quite a formal matter ending up with a driver carrying photocopied written permission from a responsible person at the DfT that can easily be checked by the police or VOSA if they wish.
I’d say it’s likely that you got away with the job you did!!
busyboy:
Thanks DIESELDAVE for taking the time to reply to my post. It’s great to have someone as knowledgable and as wise as yourself, whom confused souls like myself can call upon for advice from time to time. Keep up the good work. Thanks again to you and eveyone else who responded.
Hi busyboy, I’m always happy to help.
I must say that this is one of the rare occasions in which I couldn’t be absolutely 100% in my answer to you, that’s because it’s ever so slightly outside my remit in that I’m not qualified to give advice on national DG transport domestically within ROI.
For that, you’d need to get advice from a DGSA who has an “IRL” sign on his/her DGSA certificate. Mine has a “GB.”
As I said earlier, it’s a matter for the vehicle owner to clarify.
Thank’s Dave - I thought I’d “got away with it” too.
Since I was told in no unceartain terms that it was “OK” by the vehicle owner (or at least his TM) would my ignorance have absolved me?
The job I do now often means collecting hazardous goods in small quantities. (Hair spray for example). Can I rely on the shippers assurance that it is OK?