A thought that has been swimming around in my head for a while… am I the only one that moves out to lane 2 when passing a hazard on the hard shoulder? Breakdown, recovery, tyre-fitter, cops pulled someone over… I just don’t feel comfortable whizzing by just a couple of feet away (if that!). You never know what’s gonna happen, ped steps out, opens car door, recovery/tyre-fitter falls/leans over, ■■■■■■ runs from cops, etc etc etc.
I never seem to see anyone else moving out to lane 2 though
For example, had just started an overtake on a DD tonight, was prob halfway along his trailer, VERY windy and he was all over the place… came across a breakdown ahead, recovery guy was on hands & knees at side of a car on H/S. Backed off the DD and flashed him out, but he stayed put, probably passed the recovery guy with less than a foot to spare.
It’s just… ugh! No ?
I know it’s not always possible to move out, due to traffic or whatever, in that case I slow down a bit and move as far over to the line as possible, but most of the time i’m on lates/nights so traffic is light, so always move out.
Chris1207:
A thought that has been swimming around in my head for a while… am I the only one that moves out to lane 2 when passing a hazard on the hard shoulder? Breakdown, recovery, tyre-fitter, cops pulled someone over… I just don’t feel comfortable whizzing by just a couple of feet away (if that!). You never know what’s gonna happen, ped steps out, opens car door, recovery/tyre-fitter falls/leans over, ■■■■■■ runs from cops, etc etc etc.
I never seem to see anyone else moving out to lane 2 though
For example, had just started an overtake on a DD tonight, was prob halfway along his trailer, VERY windy and he was all over the place… came across a breakdown ahead, recovery guy was on hands & knees at side of a car on H/S. Backed off the DD and flashed him out, but he stayed put, probably passed the recovery guy with less than a foot to spare.
It’s just… ugh! No ?
I know it’s not always possible to move out, due to traffic or whatever, in that case I slow down a bit and move as far over to the line as possible, but most of the time i’m on lates/nights so traffic is light, so always move out.
Just another example of an increasing about of idiots on the road. The best thing over here, more so in the US than Canada is when you move in to lane 2 because of a broken down vehicle, cop or the like and the American ■■■■■■ in the car who was pointlessly tailgating you for the past 15 miles then tries to zoom down your inside and wipe out a cop or whoever it is standing next to the vehicle you moved out for. You inevitably have to straddle both lanes to prevent said ■■■■■■ from pulling off his clever little stunt, which in his mind is you being kind and moving out of the way so he can fly past without having to perform the complicated task of changing lanes, while he or she is entirely oblivious to the cop they about to kill, despite the 10,000 or so watt flashing blue lights they have here that would almost induce epilepsy in most people.
Whats even better than all this, is when its a fellow truck driver who tries the same thing. Or the ones who sit 2 meters behind you for miles despite there being nothing in lane two, until you move out to overtake something, only for them to roar down your inside because they dont have a speed limiter, and regardless of it being totally obvious there is absolutely nowhere for them to go, they maintain the high speed approach to the vehicle you’re overtaking and then emergency brake and just sit behind that vehicle. Americans!!!
The majority of my driving is done at night, so there is generally less traffic and what I do is move to lane two or straddle lane one and two if there is cars behind me… reason being moved into lane two and a group of cars sped up my inside and the last one took ages to undertake me, almost as if they wanted to hold me out there.
Also driving past laybys I sometimes move out a bit if the road is clear, started doing this after I followed a truck down the a90 who moved out at the laybys to avoid rocking the parked trucks.
Chris1207:
A thought that has been swimming around in my head for a while… am I the only one that moves out to lane 2 when passing a hazard on the hard shoulder? Breakdown, recovery, tyre-fitter, cops pulled someone over… I just don’t feel comfortable whizzing by just a couple of feet away (if that!). You never know what’s gonna happen, ped steps out, opens car door, recovery/tyre-fitter falls/leans over, ■■■■■■ runs from cops, etc etc etc.
I never seem to see anyone else moving out to lane 2 though
For example, had just started an overtake on a DD tonight, was prob halfway along his trailer, VERY windy and he was all over the place… came across a breakdown ahead, recovery guy was on hands & knees at side of a car on H/S. Backed off the DD and flashed him out, but he stayed put, probably passed the recovery guy with less than a foot to spare.
It’s just… ugh! No ?
I know it’s not always possible to move out, due to traffic or whatever, in that case I slow down a bit and move as far over to the line as possible, but most of the time i’m on lates/nights so traffic is light, so always move out.
Just another example of an increasing about of idiots on the road. The best thing over here, more so in the US than Canada is when you move in to lane 2 because of a broken down vehicle, cop or the like and the American ■■■■■■ in the car who was pointlessly tailgating you for the past 15 miles then tries to zoom down your inside and wipe out a cop or whoever it is standing next to the vehicle you moved out for. You inevitably have to straddle both lanes to prevent said ■■■■■■ from pulling off his clever little stunt, which in his mind is you being kind and moving out of the way so he can fly past without having to perform the complicated task of changing lanes, while he or she is entirely oblivious to the cop they about to kill, despite the 10,000 or so watt flashing blue lights they have here that would almost induce epilepsy in most people.
Whats even better than all this, is when its a fellow truck driver who tries the same thing. Or the ones who sit 2 meters behind you for miles despite there being nothing in lane two, until you move out to overtake something, only for them to roar down your inside because they dont have a speed limiter, and regardless of it being totally obvious there is absolutely nowhere for them to go, they maintain the high speed approach to the vehicle you’re overtaking and then emergency brake and just sit behind that vehicle. Americans!!!
Never done that side of the pond (yet), but I drive my car all over Europe and Eastern Europe, and the one thing I have noticed, driving standards are ■■■■ everywhere. Impatience, bad decisions, erratic driving etc.
Even countries where there’s not that many cars, you still get the same idiots that tailgate, then overtake at last second nearly wiping you out, with about 20mph difference in speed, nothing in front, nothing behind.
If on a single carriageway, they seem to sit 2" off your arse until something’s coming the other way, then they decide to overtake - like they don’t want that other vehicle to pass you before they do
A few years ago I lived in Ontario, Canada. I was told when I arrived that it was the law that you had to pull out into lane 2 where possible if there was a police car or recovery truck on the hard shoulder. So now, where possible, I do the same here. I have only been unlucky enough to have an issue that meant me parking on the hard shoulder twice. One of them was an offside blowout on the rear trailer axle. The fitter was abit nervous replacing the tyre.
I move out where possible, but only to straddle 1 and 2. This will give the person the hard shoulder plenty of room, while telling every ■■■■■■■■ behind me that whatever I’m doing is temporary, and I want back into lane 1.
F-reds:
I move out where possible, but only to straddle 1 and 2. This will give the person the hard shoulder plenty of room, while telling every [zb] behind me that whatever I’m doing is temporary, and I want back into lane 1.
Exactly the same for years but with the busier the roads it is becoming more difficult and as others have said it is not always possible however normally you can still move out a little when being overtaken just to give the hazard as much room as possible in case of sudden movement especially if there are people about.
Must say on some occasions it looks like some drivers like to get as close as possible for some strange reason.
Chris1207:
A thought that has been swimming around in my head for a while… am I the only one that moves out to lane 2 when passing a hazard on the hard shoulder? Breakdown, recovery, tyre-fitter, cops pulled someone over… I just don’t feel comfortable whizzing by just a couple of feet away (if that!). You never know what’s gonna happen, ped steps out, opens car door, recovery/tyre-fitter falls/leans over, ■■■■■■ runs from cops, etc etc etc.
I never seem to see anyone else moving out to lane 2 though
For example, had just started an overtake on a DD tonight, was prob halfway along his trailer, VERY windy and he was all over the place… came across a breakdown ahead, recovery guy was on hands & knees at side of a car on H/S. Backed off the DD and flashed him out, but he stayed put, probably passed the recovery guy with less than a foot to spare.
It’s just… ugh! No ?
I know it’s not always possible to move out, due to traffic or whatever, in that case I slow down a bit and move as far over to the line as possible, but most of the time i’m on lates/nights so traffic is light, so always move out.
Just another example of an increasing about of idiots on the road. The best thing over here, more so in the US than Canada is when you move in to lane 2 because of a broken down vehicle, cop or the like and the American ■■■■■■ in the car who was pointlessly tailgating you for the past 15 miles then tries to zoom down your inside and wipe out a cop or whoever it is standing next to the vehicle you moved out for. You inevitably have to straddle both lanes to prevent said ■■■■■■ from pulling off his clever little stunt, which in his mind is you being kind and moving out of the way so he can fly past without having to perform the complicated task of changing lanes, while he or she is entirely oblivious to the cop they about to kill, despite the 10,000 or so watt flashing blue lights they have here that would almost induce epilepsy in most people.
Whats even better than all this, is when its a fellow truck driver who tries the same thing. Or the ones who sit 2 meters behind you for miles despite there being nothing in lane two, until you move out to overtake something, only for them to roar down your inside because they dont have a speed limiter, and regardless of it being totally obvious there is absolutely nowhere for them to go, they maintain the high speed approach to the vehicle you’re overtaking and then emergency brake and just sit behind that vehicle. Americans!!!
Never done that side of the pond (yet), but I drive my car all over Europe and Eastern Europe, and the one thing I have noticed, driving standards are [zb] everywhere. Impatience, bad decisions, erratic driving etc.
Even countries where there’s not that many cars, you still get the same idiots that tailgate, then overtake at last second nearly wiping you out, with about 20mph difference in speed, nothing in front, nothing behind.
If on a single carriageway, they seem to sit 2" off your arse until something’s coming the other way, then they decide to overtake - like they don’t want that other vehicle to pass you before they do
Cannot agree with you there. I have driven in many countries especially in Europe and of course there are still idiots but not on the same scale as the UK.
It is always much more pleasurable driving in Europe.The roads in general do not seem so busy and roadworks seem far fewer and even when they do appear there are not the same hold ups.
However I would agree the tailgating with trucks is just as bad if not worse.
Someone recently commented on how bad the Russians were at driving. Well I have just come back from St Petersburg and although did not drive myself I was able to see the driving standards from a coach and they were certainly no worse than here. I would go as far as to say they were probably better.
There are good and bad drivers everywhere but it seems the bad ones far out weigh the good ones in our country in my opinion.
I’ll always pull out if safe or slow down depending on circumstances.
With regards to bad driving etc, could it be that we notice a moron and log it into our heads but don’t need to recall most drivers good or normal driving. There are many many more good drivers/motorists/licence holders that just pass or are passed and are driving perfectly well.
Mistakes and ■■■■ ups are always remembered! Just a thought.
F-reds:
I move out where possible, but only to straddle 1 and 2. This will give the person the hard shoulder plenty of room, while telling every [zb] behind me that whatever I’m doing is temporary, and I want back into lane 1.
And me, there is nothing worse than seeing a tyre fitter with his arse on the white line that separates the hard shoulder from lane1. Although these days they do seem to shut off lane 1 more in those cases.
scotstrucker:
i always try to move over if there’s a vehicle on the hard shoulder as you dont know what could happen, better too be safe than sorry
+1
Yep,I always move over too. Could be bits of metal sticking out or even part of a person. Better to move when you didnt need to than stand there explaining to the cops why you didnt and swiped the hazard
Besides,after miles and miles of motorway,its an oppertunity to actually do something. Might only be indicator and a lane move but still
With most of my driving being at night it’s easier for me, I’ll pull out to lane 2, give whatever it is plenty of room. Had someone click their door open once and it frightened me to death as I thought it’d swing right out in half a second, luckily it didn’t.
If it’s busy or in the daytime I’ll straddle half way over lane 2 to make it obvious that I want back into lane 1, stops any undertakers as well.
If there is nothing in the middle lane I move over and straddle the two lanes but if traffic is heavy and it would be dangerous to move over I just give what space I can to the inside and quickly flash hazards. Drivers in the middle lane may not see the obstacle in the hard shoulder and if a lorry moves over and straddles the two lanes they could believe it is because the lorry driver has lost concentration (fatigue, phone, doing something?).
Chris1207:
A thought that has been swimming around in my head for a while… am I the only one that moves out to lane 2 when passing a hazard on the hard shoulder? Breakdown, recovery, tyre-fitter, cops pulled someone over… I just don’t feel comfortable whizzing by just a couple of feet away (if that!). You never know what’s gonna happen, ped steps out, opens car door, recovery/tyre-fitter falls/leans over, ■■■■■■ runs from cops, etc etc etc.
I never seem to see anyone else moving out to lane 2 though
For example, had just started an overtake on a DD tonight, was prob halfway along his trailer, VERY windy and he was all over the place… came across a breakdown ahead, recovery guy was on hands & knees at side of a car on H/S. Backed off the DD and flashed him out, but he stayed put, probably passed the recovery guy with less than a foot to spare.
It’s just… ugh! No ?
I know it’s not always possible to move out, due to traffic or whatever, in that case I slow down a bit and move as far over to the line as possible, but most of the time i’m on lates/nights so traffic is light, so always move out.
Just another example of an increasing about of idiots on the road. The best thing over here, more so in the US than Canada is when you move in to lane 2 because of a broken down vehicle, cop or the like and the American ■■■■■■ in the car who was pointlessly tailgating you for the past 15 miles then tries to zoom down your inside and wipe out a cop or whoever it is standing next to the vehicle you moved out for. You inevitably have to straddle both lanes to prevent said ■■■■■■ from pulling off his clever little stunt, which in his mind is you being kind and moving out of the way so he can fly past without having to perform the complicated task of changing lanes, while he or she is entirely oblivious to the cop they about to kill, despite the 10,000 or so watt flashing blue lights they have here that would almost induce epilepsy in most people.
Whats even better than all this, is when its a fellow truck driver who tries the same thing. Or the ones who sit 2 meters behind you for miles despite there being nothing in lane two, until you move out to overtake something, only for them to roar down your inside because they dont have a speed limiter, and regardless of it being totally obvious there is absolutely nowhere for them to go, they maintain the high speed approach to the vehicle you’re overtaking and then emergency brake and just sit behind that vehicle. Americans!!!
Never done that side of the pond (yet), but I drive my car all over Europe and Eastern Europe, and the one thing I have noticed, driving standards are [zb] everywhere. Impatience, bad decisions, erratic driving etc.
Even countries where there’s not that many cars, you still get the same idiots that tailgate, then overtake at last second nearly wiping you out, with about 20mph difference in speed, nothing in front, nothing behind.
If on a single carriageway, they seem to sit 2" off your arse until something’s coming the other way, then they decide to overtake - like they don’t want that other vehicle to pass you before they do
Cannot agree with you there. I have driven in many countries especially in Europe and of course there are still idiots but not on the same scale as the UK.
It is always much more pleasurable driving in Europe.The roads in general do not seem so busy and roadworks seem far fewer and even when they do appear there are not the same hold ups.
However I would agree the tailgating with trucks is just as bad if not worse.
Someone recently commented on how bad the Russians were at driving. Well I have just come back from St Petersburg and although did not drive myself I was able to see the driving standards from a coach and they were certainly no worse than here. I would go as far as to say they were probably better.
There are good and bad drivers everywhere but it seems the bad ones far out weigh the good ones in our country in my opinion.
Just back from a few days in Spain for a motorbike event, and I 100% stand by my previous statement.
I think, the main difference is the actual number of cars, that’s all.
Some countries, the drivers are more laid back, still make a ■■■■ load of errors, but people are more forgiving - maybe compo claims are some part of the problem in the UK?
I find that the Waze app can be good for hazards as its updated by users. Often a good warning 500 yards or so before something is sat on the shoulder.
