Have you ever been blown over?

yes,i have.have posted about this before…F10 artic,tipping on a building site (RM at Coventry iirc). other artics had tipped before,but i was caught by a cross-wind :frowning:

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No and I’ve always knocked the speed back when it seemed merited. Slow and steady wins the race. I used to tear arse around when I was younger and dafter… :stuck_out_tongue:

Captain Caveman 76:

the maoster:

Captain Caveman 76:
Why should a cross wind be any different?

Because you’ve immediately reduced the time of exposure to these lateral forces. Maybe I’ve just been lucky though.

By that argument I should speed up through corners. Personally, I too think that luck plays a big part I staying upright. All you can do is TRY and stack the odds in your favour.

Adonis.:

Captain Caveman 76:
I disagree. Think of the side winds acting as a force on the trailer in the same way as the forces that are applied when youre cornering. Common sense says to slow down for corners. Why should a cross wind be any different?

The wind and corners are totally different.

A.

The only difference is the source of the force acting on the trailer. The result of a sideways force acting on the vehicle is the same.
I’m happy to be corrected if you know otherwise.

The other difference being that corners and wind are different. One being centrifugal or g forces along with your momentum and centre of gravity, the other being a bit of wind.

Wind and corners are the same thing, heard it all now. :unamused:

A.

Adonis.:
The other difference being that corners and wind are different. One being centrifugal or g forces along with your momentum and centre of gravity, the other being a bit of wind.

Wind and corners are the same thing, heard it all now. :unamused:

A.

Centripetal forces from cornering and sideways force from a cross wind will both try and push your trailer over. I hope we can both agree on that.

How increasing forward motion affects these sideways forces is the debate, my gut instinct tells me that going faster in a cross wind reduces stability and increases the chance of going over. Unfortunately, I cannot recall the maths needed to prove one way or another. Someone above mentioned sailing and I was reminded of the technique of tacking, a way of sailing into the headwind by going sideways. That might be a clue as to what’s going on with the trailers in the wind, but I’d need more time and paper to figure it out.

Off to work now, and I WILL be slowing down in the cross wind. :smiley:

Captain Caveman 76:

Adonis.:
The other difference being that corners and wind are different. One being centrifugal or g forces along with your momentum and centre of gravity, the other being a bit of wind.

Wind and corners are the same thing, heard it all now. :unamused:

A.

Centripetal forces from cornering and sideways force from a cross wind will both try and push your trailer over. I hope we can both agree on that.

How increasing forward motion affects these sideways forces is the debate, my gut instinct tells me that going faster in a cross wind reduces stability and increases the chance of going over. Unfortunately, I cannot recall the maths needed to prove one way or another. Someone above mentioned sailing and I was reminded of the technique of tacking, a way of sailing into the headwind by going sideways. That might be a clue as to what’s going on with the trailers in the wind, but I’d need more time and paper to figure it out.

Off to work now, and I WILL be slowing down in the cross wind. :smiley:

Just don’t hold up those of us who aren’t afraid of a breeze :wink:

A.

Adonis.:

Captain Caveman 76:

Adonis.:
The other difference being that corners and wind are different. One being centrifugal or g forces along with your momentum and centre of gravity, the other being a bit of wind.

Wind and corners are the same thing, heard it all now. :unamused:

A.

Centripetal forces from cornering and sideways force from a cross wind will both try and push your trailer over. I hope we can both agree on that.

How increasing forward motion affects these sideways forces is the debate, my gut instinct tells me that going faster in a cross wind reduces stability and increases the chance of going over. Unfortunately, I cannot recall the maths needed to prove one way or another. Someone above mentioned sailing and I was reminded of the technique of tacking, a way of sailing into the headwind by going sideways. That might be a clue as to what’s going on with the trailers in the wind, but I’d need more time and paper to figure it out.

Off to work now, and I WILL be slowing down in the cross wind. :smiley:

Just don’t hold up those of us who aren’t afraid of a breeze :wink:

A.

I make no promises. :grimacing:

the maoster:

Adonis.:
Nope, never felt the need to lift the shoe either.

A.

I’ve always questioned “advice” given by folk who say you must slow down in high winds. Slow down by how much exactly? Does falling over at 40mph feel different from falling over at 50mph? Keep it going ffs, it’s the exposure to a sudden side wind caused by a break in the trees etc that’ll have you over so why not lessen the exposure to it by travelling faster?

To answer the o/p though no I’ve never come close in a lorry, however in my brief foray into international light haulage I very nearly got blown over somewhere on the Spanish tundra in a Sprinter panel van. It very nearly made me put my seatbelt on!

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I could never see the merit in this advice either. I suppose it it does go over though the faster you were initially going will end up sliding further down the road. keep it lit is always favourite though :grimacing:

Close but no cigar

Bluey Circles:

Captain Caveman 76:

Adonis.:
I disagree. Think of the side winds acting as a force on the trailer in the same way as the forces that are applied when youre cornering. Common sense says to slow down for corners. Why should a cross wind be any different?

Think about a weather vane on the top of a lorry,
on a windless day driving at 50mph it will point exactly forward

The weather vane point wouldd point to the back of the lorry.

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I once got blown from the second lane of the M6 just before Crooklands heading south clean onto the hard shoulder, I had just passed another lorry when the wind caught me, to my surprise the lorry I had just passed carried on in lane 1, seemingly unnafected by the cross wind.

Another incident was when I was on for United Transport on a draw bar with demountable side sliding door boxes, I was crossing the Medway bridge in the wind, the wind caught & pushed over the prime mover to the point that I lost drive, then the roof must have lifted & the o/s doors caved in to the body & unfortunately the n/s doors were lost to the river far below.

Dave…

Carryfast:

adam277:
As for a proper drawbar you’re not relying on just a small light unit to hold the unbroken length and height of a semi trailer acting as a bleedin great big sail on the ground. :bulb: :smiley:

I’ve always been told that the A-frame trailers don’t cope with the wind as well as artics. I presumed it was some pendulum effect which causes the trailer front wheels to rock back and forth causing the prime to do the same and vice versa. I may be wrong though. Do the two front trailer wheels aid in stability?

This tread wouldn’t have anything to do with this would it…

adam277:

Carryfast:

adam277:
As for a proper drawbar you’re not relying on just a small light unit to hold the unbroken length and height of a semi trailer acting as a bleedin great big sail on the ground. :bulb: :smiley:

I’ve always been told that the A-frame trailers don’t cope with the wind as well as artics. I presumed it was some pendulum effect which causes the trailer front wheels to rock back and forth causing the prime to do the same and vice versa. I may be wrong though. Do the two front trailer wheels aid in stability?

I’d guess they are confusing A frames with close coupled in which what happens to the trailer of the latter has more of an an effect on the directional control of the prime mover.

While an A frame type not only has a better spread of axles planted on the road along the length of the outfit at each corner of the two vehicles.A drawbar coupling also doesn’t have the same ability to transfer roll between the trailer and prime mover in the way an artic fifth wheel does making the trailer even more of a totally independent vehicle in its own right.To the point where even if the trailer rolls it will generally leave the prime mover still upright with the fact that the trailer is on its side being all that the driver will know about it.In addition to the fact that the wind is only acting on two seperate vehicles with a gap between them rather than the whole unbroken length of an artic trailer. :bulb:

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Just a few weeks ago, a mate of mine was running an empty box van back to the yard on an icy road in high winds. He came out from behind a row of trees and the ■■■■ thing jack-knifed. Wrote-off a 2015 Volvo.
Personally, I have never been blown over but have often felt the need to lean over sideways in the driver’s seat to help with stability.