Ahh that’s it, (funnily enough I just googled for confirmation), peanuts are actually a type of bean and grow in the ground as opposed to the other nuts are tree nuts, some people are allergic to one type but not the other and some are allergic to both
simcor:
robroy:
I appreciate you have done your course,.and that you are keen to ‘‘Spread the word to the unbelievers’’ .
However I don’t think that anybody in their right minds is against Health and Safety in it’s true form and concept.
What people do mind is the over zealous way in which it is implemented, by those in charge of it, which in a lot of cases is a combination of being over the top, defying common sense, and downright derisory,.and in many cases a paradox of it’s self, where the rules are far unsafer than what it is perceived to prevent.I kind of expected that response from you Rob to be honest.
Maybe it’s the way I read it or maybe it’s the way you meant it I really have no idea off hand.
But.
I am far from keen to spread the word to unbelievers.
It’s just looking at it from a different perspective.
I did the course several weeks ago and had no desire to tell anyone about it or mention it until I saw that post and trued to explain why I think it has got to the stage it is.
Maybe it looks to some like I am trying to teach others to ■■■■ eggs, but it isn’t meant that way at all. It’s just o have a slightly different perspective of why it is like it is now based on how a business Co ducts risk assessments and why they are needed.
And yes I agree it’s about cost and reputation mostly, but it is also for the safety or everyone.
If I have misunderstood your post then fair enough.
I just thought it was worth posting the most interesting bit from it, in fact the most interesting thing I learnt is this:
Why peanuts have a may contain nuts warning on the packet.
I’m sure someone maybe more then I would think will know the answer on here. But I certainly didn’t.
Not entirely sure what you mean by ‘‘You expected that response from me’’ and you ‘‘misunderstanding my post’’
I was just pointing out that after your course you are bound to be keen to convince others, as you have been convinced yourself., but that it will take more convincing that methods of implementation are realistic, rather than the basics of, and the need for, H&S.
And my post was giving my view on H&S and it’s pitfalls…that was it. 
simcor:
Talk about an oxygen moron.
I’m sure that was an auto-correct mistake or did we just start talking about the new breed of truck driver again? 
Dav1d:
robroy:
El Deano:
Had a new one the other day at a DHL site. Can sit in cab but keys must be in the door so forkie can see them…Sent from my SM-G903F using Tapatalk
Old, but in the news not long ago DHL
That was my whole point. Something daft that should not have happened did and the consequence is big. And that’s with a company the size of DHL. So it is no wonder we are where we are and I can see why they insist on these ideas even if I don’t agree with them.
But then again anything for an easy life generally for me, unless the solution is not remotely acceptable. Yes it’s not always the greatest but as long as it meets basic need then it’s easier to just get the job done and go home. No amount of whining or refusing to do it will change it we are stuck with it.
robroy:
simcor:
robroy:
I appreciate you have done your course,.and that you are keen to ‘‘Spread the word to the unbelievers’’ .
However I don’t think that anybody in their right minds is against Health and Safety in it’s true form and concept.
What people do mind is the over zealous way in which it is implemented, by those in charge of it, which in a lot of cases is a combination of being over the top, defying common sense, and downright derisory,.and in many cases a paradox of it’s self, where the rules are far unsafer than what it is perceived to prevent.I kind of expected that response from you Rob to be honest.
Maybe it’s the way I read it or maybe it’s the way you meant it I really have no idea off hand.
But.
I am far from keen to spread the word to unbelievers.
It’s just looking at it from a different perspective.
I did the course several weeks ago and had no desire to tell anyone about it or mention it until I saw that post and trued to explain why I think it has got to the stage it is.
Maybe it looks to some like I am trying to teach others to ■■■■ eggs, but it isn’t meant that way at all. It’s just o have a slightly different perspective of why it is like it is now based on how a business Co ducts risk assessments and why they are needed.
And yes I agree it’s about cost and reputation mostly, but it is also for the safety or everyone.
If I have misunderstood your post then fair enough.
I just thought it was worth posting the most interesting bit from it, in fact the most interesting thing I learnt is this:
Why peanuts have a may contain nuts warning on the packet.
I’m sure someone maybe more then I would think will know the answer on here. But I certainly didn’t.
Not entirely sure what you mean by ‘‘You expected that response from me’’ and you ‘‘misunderstanding my post’’
I was just pointing out that after your course you are bound to be keen to convince others, as you have been convinced yourself., but that it will take more convincing that methods of implementation are realistic, rather than the basics of, and the need for, H&S.
And my post was giving my view on H&S and it’s pitfalls…that was it.
Maybe its just the way I read some of yours and others posts Rob. I just get a feeling sometimes me and you would both argue back is white and vice versa but I think on the whole we are all singing from pretty much the same hmm sheet probably.
But I also take slight issue with your wording of “I am keen to spread the word to unbelievers”
Purely because that to me reads as a sucker that has brain washed (in fact you similar wording of me being convinced or it another term kind of brain washed. ) because I have been on a course.
I can quite happily speak for myself and make decisions for myself. But I accept the situation for what it is as it will not change with any amount of stamping of feet. Which some drivers often do because they don’t like something in the hope they get banned off site.
As for misunderstanding your post I mean in either the way it was meant by you or the way I read it to be written.
Reef:
simcor:
Talk about an oxygen moron.I’m sure that was an auto-correct mistake or did we just start talking about the new breed of truck driver again? [emoji38]
Yeah I hate autocorrect and really should check my posts more for autocorrect faux pas and mistakes but I never do. But I like oxygen moron might start using that more.
You can have all the H & S you like (personally I’m in favour of good commonsense measures) but when you introduce an idiot into the equation all bets are off.
TiredAndEmotional:
You can have all the H & S you like (personally I’m in favour of good commonsense measures) but when you introduce an idiot into the equation all bets are off.
It takes many smart people to make things fool proof, yet it still only takes one idiot to prove them all ineffective
H&S bollox is just down to drivers/flt drivers having a little savvy and common sense. No H&S in our yards, trucks in and out, freight all over the place, trailers being fixed by the workshop guys, ‘Do not apply trailer brake’ signs in the trailer bays, no hi vis and it all runs without issue. UK H&S it seems has been taken to the extremes, just having to hand keys in for one is ridiculous…
simcor:
robroy:
simcor:
robroy:
I appreciate you have done your course,.and that you are keen to ‘‘Spread the word to the unbelievers’’ .
However I don’t think that anybody in their right minds is against Health and Safety in it’s true form and concept.
What people do mind is the over zealous way in which it is implemented, by those in charge of it, which in a lot of cases is a combination of being over the top, defying common sense, and downright derisory,.and in many cases a paradox of it’s self, where the rules are far unsafer than what it is perceived to prevent.I kind of expected that response from you Rob to be honest.
Maybe it’s the way I read it or maybe it’s the way you meant it I really have no idea off hand.
But.
I am far from keen to spread the word to unbelievers.
It’s just looking at it from a different perspective.
I did the course several weeks ago and had no desire to tell anyone about it or mention it until I saw that post and trued to explain why I think it has got to the stage it is.
Maybe it looks to some like I am trying to teach others to ■■■■ eggs, but it isn’t meant that way at all. It’s just o have a slightly different perspective of why it is like it is now based on how a business Co ducts risk assessments and why they are needed.
And yes I agree it’s about cost and reputation mostly, but it is also for the safety or everyone.
If I have misunderstood your post then fair enough.
I just thought it was worth posting the most interesting bit from it, in fact the most interesting thing I learnt is this:
Why peanuts have a may contain nuts warning on the packet.
I’m sure someone maybe more then I would think will know the answer on here. But I certainly didn’t.
Not entirely sure what you mean by ‘‘You expected that response from me’’ and you ‘‘misunderstanding my post’’
I was just pointing out that after your course you are bound to be keen to convince others, as you have been convinced yourself., but that it will take more convincing that methods of implementation are realistic, rather than the basics of, and the need for, H&S.
And my post was giving my view on H&S and it’s pitfalls…that was it.Maybe its just the way I read some of yours and others posts Rob. I just get a feeling sometimes me and you would both argue back is white and vice versa but I think on the whole we are all singing from pretty much the same hmm sheet probably.
But I also take slight issue with your wording of “I am keen to spread the word to unbelievers”
Purely because that to me reads as a sucker that has brain washed (in fact you similar wording of me being convinced or it another term kind of brain washed. ) because I have been on a course.
I can quite happily speak for myself and make decisions for myself. But I accept the situation for what it is as it will not change with any amount of stamping of feet. Which some drivers often do because they don’t like something in the hope they get banned off site.
As for misunderstanding your post I mean in either the way it was meant by you or the way I read it to be written.
I never said you were brainwashed, gullible, or anything else tbf.
You have took a course obviously listened and enjoyed it, and I would say that explaining things that you have learned there is only natural when you see something you disagree with pertaining to it on this forum, …as you pointed out, so yeh, fair play on that.
I agree that we have very different types of views on this subject, there was no dig intended in the way I phrased my post, it was just an opinion of the way you came across,… keen and eager to put across what you have learned…that’s all.
As I said I’m all for making the job safe, but I don’t agree with some of the methods that go on.
Usually these methods are backed up and accompanied, with the sort of modern management type rhetoric, that you have learned on your course.
With buzz words and magic formulas (usually nicely illustrated with little drawings on posters all over the site to explain all this stuff) X x Y = ABC, like you pointed out and ‘‘Blue sky thinking’’ type phrases.
I personally just find all this stuff tiresome, when most of us know it just boils down to common sense…ie keep away from a reversing forklift, don’t get into a situation where summet is going to drop on your head, and self preservation common sense stuff like that.
The likes of how we all managed to survive injury and a horrible death prior to all this h & s stuff becoming another industry. 
Unfortunately the accident prone non common sense f/whits among us have dragged us all down to their level, so now we need ‘‘risk assessments’’ for mundane stuff like the 5 yard walk down the yard to sit on the khazi, …but ‘‘try not to get your fingers trapped when lowering the seat’’. 
Look mate, I certainly am not having a pop at you personally as you imply,.I just get tired with all this management speak ■■■■■■■■, where much simpler methods of implementation could be applied…and a few ‘’ Non job’’ wages could be saved resulting in more money for you and me as drivers.
I strained a tendon in my finger once when using a stapler.
See they are dangerous
I have no problem with H+S, but, and there is always a but.
Pulled into a oil wholesalers the other day, i’ve got empty pallets on that for the oil company.
Jump out the cab and put my vest type hivi on.
Forkie says ‘have you got a long sleeve hivi mate’
‘yes’
‘put it on please’
I put on long sleeve hivi and ask forkie why a long sleeve?
‘we have acids and oils here and it is to protect you’
’ but this jacket is not acid proof though’
Forkie shrugs his shoulders and says I agree mate.
ETS:
El Deano:
Had a new one the other day at a DHL site. Can sit in cab but keys must be in the door so forkie can see them…Sorry about the silly question, but how does the FLT driver seeing/watching the truck keys affect H&S? Also in OP, truck driver was killed because he went out of FLT’s sight so the load tipped? I don’t get it…can someone elaborate about the whole keys/getting seen thing (I haven’t started driving yet)
Vid:
Disagree, it’s someone trying to justify their continued employment once any real unsafe practices we’re stopped years ago. They need to keep finding something to keep their 30-40k jobs when they effectively do absolutely nothing productive, but plenty disruptive.The sad truth, unfortunately.
if the forklift driver has the keys there is no danger of a drive off incident,and he needs to see where you are in case you do get in his way and he hits you,not that you would be stupid enough to get in the way of a forklift,as I said it’s just H&S bxxxxxxt
Dipper_Dave:
Whenever I hear H & S I translate it to some driver has foorked it up for the rest of us.
Let’s face it in unfamiliar surroundings the drivers safest place is in their cab ideally with the truck keys handed to goods in.But some idiots have thought they are clever by handing in fake keys leading to drive off incidents. Luckily this forum has got rid of all these twunts and no one in their right mind would ever confess to handing in fake keys on here.
Due to having bigger bollox than most of the sad acts I see sitting in crappy waiting rooms I’m currently banned from Sainsbury’s Stoke and all Amazon sites.
Tesco I allow as the waiting room and canteen is OK also a few Asdas/Coops and Stobrats where I can go on a wander. But that’s about it.
I give fake keys,I am not sitting in a motor 3/6 hours being tipped with no way of putting on the radio ,in a Volvo no keys no radio,would you give your keys to any body on the street that asked,that’s my house for a week,
^^^^ and the next time you are there you can spend your 3 or 4 hours in a holding cell wondering why you can’t sit in your lorry any longer.
the maoster:
^^^^ and the next time you are there you can spend your 3 or 4 hours in a holding cell wondering why you can’t sit in your lorry any longer.
How’s that then ,you see I no that red means tipping green means not,when they have finished I walk to the back of the motor check if door is shut ramp up if it is good to go to office to get fake keys,i do Morrison’s at thrapston,bay 36 right at end of building to office and back 6/8 min walk i am not leaving my motor unlocked,had abs lead nicked there,so no i dont give.my keys to any body