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Here’s an unusual Chinese Six version
moomooland:
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Here’s an unusual Chinese Six version
hiya,
Can’t understand a Chinese six “tipper” with a tipper it’s either all or nothing
the idea of C six was so’s multiple drops could be carried without becoming
illegal on the front axle, and you could squeeze more on a tandem six.
tanks harry, long retired.
harry_gill:
moomooland:
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Here’s an unusual Chinese Six versionhiya,
Can’t understand a Chinese six “tipper” with a tipper it’s either all or nothing
the idea of C six was so’s multiple drops could be carried without becoming
illegal on the front axle, and you could squeeze more on a tandem six.
tanks harry, long retired.
WH Phillips of Wirksworth had plenty of LAD cabbed Dodge tippers with Primrose second steer axles added, they even featured in Primroses advert in Commercial Motor. I worked on some BMC coal bulkers with second steer conversions back in the 60’s.
Pete.
Hiya i think it was easier to stick a second steer under a chassis. there was stacks of Thames traders tippers with twin steer,s.
the idea of putting a rear steer axle came a lot later.
John
moomooland:
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Here’s an unusual Chinese Six version
Now that is a great shot “moomooland”, Hauliers of Barrow were the main contractors running out of Barrow Iron Works with Pig Iron,when the Iron Works closed in 1963 they packed up as well and Bradys bought their 2 or 3 “A” licenced motors the rest of the Hauliers fleet were “Contract” licences.When I started at Bradys they were still running an ex Hauliers Albion Reiver flat which was still in the green livery of Hauliers.That shot of the Guy Warrior Steer has a steel body specially designed for pig iron,W.Keith & Son of Flookburgh used to run a number of similar Warriors out of Millom Iron Works I believe they could carry around 12/13 ton and they had the Leyland 350 or 375 engine and the Eaton 2 speed axle.I was told that Bill Keith (RIP) used to run a couple of loaded Steers out of Millom back to the depot at Flookburgh and back them up the ramp and tip them both onto an Invincible 8 wheeler for delivery down the road.Now Billy (“Kruger”) Keith was a real character and a pal of mine,he was a real stickler on maintainence of his fleet and it sure did earn it’s keep running on that goat track out of Millom,sadly the Iron works closed in early 1968.Cheers Bewick.
harry_gill:
moomooland:
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Here’s an unusual Chinese Six versionhiya,
Can’t understand a Chinese six “tipper” with a tipper it’s either all or nothing
the idea of C six was so’s multiple drops could be carried without becoming
illegal on the front axle, and you could squeeze more on a tandem six.
tanks harry, long retired.
I certainly could have used that Chinese six when I did some demolition work with a six-wheeler Guy. Starting off on an uphill gradient, the short wheelbase tippers would be almost un-steerable, especially when the tarmac was a bit damp. I almost entered a ladieswear shop by mistake on one occasion!
In pre MOT days the Steers were 18ton GVW I believe. Cheers Dennis.
The second steer additional axle was a means of getting a weight increase on an A-Licence when such licences were allocated on a weight allowance for the unladen chassis weight. You had to apply to the Traffic Commisioner for an increase. For example your A-Licence might specify a 3 tons ulw for a 12 tons gross vehicle, apply for a 1 ton increase to 4 tons ulw with an extra axle and your gross weight is then 16 tons. So 3 tons gvw increase and payload is the result. It mattered plenty when jobs are on a payment per ton basis.
gingerfold:
The second steer additional axle was a means of getting a weight increase on an A-Licence when such licences were allocated on a weight allowance for the unladen chassis weight. You had to apply to the Traffic Commisioner for an increase. For example your A-Licence might specify a 3 tons ulw for a 12 tons gross vehicle, apply for a 1 ton increase to 4 tons ulw with an extra axle and your gross weight is then 16 tons. So 3 tons gvw increase and payload is the result. It mattered plenty when jobs are on a payment per ton basis.
You’ve just awoken the old brain cell “gingerfold”,and your quite right about the ULW of a vehicle having a direct effect on an “A” licence,IIRC the big fleets such as SOM and Robsons,Suttons et al would have an “A” licence of many hundreds of tons which allowed them to run any combination of motors,and again I recall that a haulier could get an automatic 10cwt lift periodically,usually at the change of a vehicle which is why the steers/trailing axle 6 wheelers as well as the light weight artics were popular.I recall that when I aquired my 2nd “A” licence it was on an AEC Mercury 4 wheeler and I managed to get an increase in ULW to enable me to run a BMC Mastiff/Primrose tandem 4 artic which weighed in at about 7ton unladen.Cheers Bewick.
Dennis Do you remember how many 20ton load’s here booked out of A steelworks near me. To JEO 192 while the motor was down South Wales etc etc. When artic,s were only allowed 24ton gross
What engine is fitted in this? think headless wonder cos looks like alternator on rear of engine,ta,Pete
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Dennis Do you remember how many 20ton load’s here booked out of A steelworks near me. To JEO 192 while the motor was down South Wales etc etc. When artic,s were only allowed 24ton gross
That was the only Reg no that the “dark face’tun” could write down when he was in charge of the weigh bridge at night eh! on a number of occaisions on a Sunday morning it was “Son,just nip into the Mill and bring Txx(a four-in-line 
) back in the yard to tranship the 22ton for The Abbey” Funny but the notes always said “JEO192” 
The Big’un got in the old crane and swung the bundles over.Apparently Athersmiths wouldn’t put a night shunt on so there was never owt left for them next morning eh! Jake and the Big’un had had it all away during the night 
Probably the various new Triumph Heralds the Steel Works bloke got over the years helped a bit do you think Cheers Dennis.
pete smith:
What engine is fitted in this? think headless wonder cos looks like alternator on rear of engine,ta,Pete
This looks like quite an old shot of a new Big J by the looks of the underslung springs on the double drive so it might be doubtful if it had the “Leyland headless wonder” at that time but thats only my limited opinion.Cheers Bewick.
Bewick:
pete smith:
What engine is fitted in this? think headless wonder cos looks like alternator on rear of engine,ta,PeteThis looks like quite an old shot of a new Big J by the looks of the underslung springs on the double drive so it might be doubtful if it had the “Leyland headless wonder” at that time but thats only my limited opinion.Cheers Bewick.
One of the VEE engine’s perhaps, it seems to sit low?
Pete.
windrush:
Bewick:
pete smith:
What engine is fitted in this? think headless wonder cos looks like alternator on rear of engine,ta,PeteThis looks like quite an old shot of a new Big J by the looks of the underslung springs on the double drive so it might be doubtful if it had the “Leyland headless wonder” at that time but thats only my limited opinion.Cheers Bewick.
One of the VEE engine’s perhaps, it seems to sit low?
Pete.
I reckon you could be dead right Pete. Dennis.
Bewick:
moomooland:
Here’s an unusual Chinese Six versionNow that is a great shot “moomooland”, Hauliers of Barrow were the main contractors running out of Barrow Iron Works with Pig Iron,when the Iron Works closed in 1963 they packed up as well and Bradys bought their 2 or 3 “A” licenced motors the rest of the Hauliers fleet were “Contract” licences.When I started at Bradys they were still running an ex Hauliers Albion Reiver flat which was still in the green livery of Hauliers.That shot of the Guy Warrior Steer has a steel body specially designed for pig iron,W.Keith & Son of Flookburgh used to run a number of similar Warriors out of Millom Iron Works I believe they could carry around 12/13 ton and they had the Leyland 350 or 375 engine and the Eaton 2 speed axle.I was told that Bill Keith (RIP) used to run a couple of loaded Steers out of Millom back to the depot at Flookburgh and back them up the ramp and tip them both onto an Invincible 8 wheeler for delivery down the road.Now Billy (“Kruger”) Keith was a real character and a pal of mine,he was a real stickler on maintainence of his fleet and it sure did earn it’s keep running on that goat track out of Millom,sadly the Iron works closed in early 1968.Cheers Bewick.
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Dennis
This is a photo of one of Billy Keith Chinese six Guy tipper converted to a unit by him after Millom closed he was a brilliant mechanical
Engineer he also converted an 8 wheeler mark one Atkinson into a 6 wheel double drive tractor unit it looked really well Dave Newell
drove
Leyland 680:
Bewick:
moomooland:
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Here’s an unusual Chinese Six versionNow that is a great shot “moomooland”, Hauliers of Barrow were the main contractors running out of Barrow Iron Works with Pig Iron,when the Iron Works closed in 1963 they packed up as well and Bradys bought their 2 or 3 “A” licenced motors the rest of the Hauliers fleet were “Contract” licences.When I started at Bradys they were still running an ex Hauliers Albion Reiver flat which was still in the green livery of Hauliers.That shot of the Guy Warrior Steer has a steel body specially designed for pig iron,W.Keith & Son of Flookburgh used to run a number of similar Warriors out of Millom Iron Works I believe they could carry around 12/13 ton and they had the Leyland 350 or 375 engine and the Eaton 2 speed axle.I was told that Bill Keith (RIP) used to run a couple of loaded Steers out of Millom back to the depot at Flookburgh and back them up the ramp and tip them both onto an Invincible 8 wheeler for delivery down the road.Now Billy (“Kruger”) Keith was a real character and a pal of mine,he was a real stickler on maintainence of his fleet and it sure did earn it’s keep running on that goat track out of Millom,sadly the Iron works closed in early 1968.Cheers Bewick.
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Dennis
This is a photo of one of Billy Keith Chinese six Guy tipper converted to a unit by him after Millom closed he was a brilliant mechanical
Engineer he also converted an 8 wheeler mark one Atkinson into a 6 wheel double drive tractor unit it looked really well Dave Newell
drove0 it
Hiya Frank,that shot of Billy Keiths motor was a cut down 8 wheeler which had the Gardner 150LX engine,unfortunately when they had to be Plated and Tested they only had Air over Hydraulic brakes so they got knocked right back from 32 to gross to 24 ton (I think) so they were knackered even though the idea was great.The Chinese six tippers he ran only had the Leyland Comet engines so they got scrapped I believe.Cheers Dennis.
Leyland 680:
Bewick:
moomooland:
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Here’s an unusual Chinese Six versionNow that is a great shot “moomooland”, Hauliers of Barrow were the main contractors running out of Barrow Iron Works with Pig Iron,when the Iron Works closed in 1963 they packed up as well and Bradys bought their 2 or 3 “A” licenced motors the rest of the Hauliers fleet were “Contract” licences.When I started at Bradys they were still running an ex Hauliers Albion Reiver flat which was still in the green livery of Hauliers.That shot of the Guy Warrior Steer has a steel body specially designed for pig iron,W.Keith & Son of Flookburgh used to run a number of similar Warriors out of Millom Iron Works I believe they could carry around 12/13 ton and they had the Leyland 350 or 375 engine and the Eaton 2 speed axle.I was told that Bill Keith (RIP) used to run a couple of loaded Steers out of Millom back to the depot at Flookburgh and back them up the ramp and tip them both onto an Invincible 8 wheeler for delivery down the road.Now Billy (“Kruger”) Keith was a real character and a pal of mine,he was a real stickler on maintainence of his fleet and it sure did earn it’s keep running on that goat track out of Millom,sadly the Iron works closed in early 1968.Cheers Bewick.
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Dennis
This is a photo of one of Billy Keith Chinese six Guy tipper converted to a unit by him after Millom closed he was a brilliant mechanical
Engineer he also converted an 8 wheeler mark one Atkinson into a 6 wheel double drive tractor unit it looked really well Dave Newell
drove0 it
I remember them, & That’s the days when Flookburgh was in Lancashire, Regards Larry.