Bewick:
Now come on and own up Lads does anyone read the Garbage that “CF” spews out ? Is there no subject this [zb] can’t spout bollox about ? Bewick.
Nope Dennis I certainly don’t I’ve family in Southern California and I go twice a year to see them
There’s a big transport company in a city named Chino about 2 hours drive from where my family live called wait for it Gardner Trucking!!! ( you know I’m a big Gardner fan)
They run plenty of cab over lorries operating double bottoms on inter city trunking
Bewick:
Now come on and own up Lads does anyone read the Garbage that “CF” spews out ? Is there no subject this [zb] can’t spout bollox about ? Bewick.
Nope Dennis I certainly don’t I’ve family in Southern California and I go twice a year to see them
There’s a big transport company in a city named Chino about 2 hours drive from where my family live called wait for it Gardner Trucking!!! ( you know I’m a big Gardner fan)
They run plenty of cab over lorries operating double bottoms on inter city trunking
The word is conventionals outsell cab overs by a ratio of around 80-20 in the lower classes and cab overs are effectively no longer made in the max weight sector.
Add Volvo electronics to a Fuller gearbox in exchange…? The only similarity between the I-shift and the Fuller is that they are both multi-speed transmissions for heavy vehicles.
The I-shift is not an automated synchromesh gearbox, it doesn’t have synchonisers, nor is it like the Fuller a twin countershaft (layshaft) design. The I-shift electronic control gear matches engine speed to gearwheel speed. The very latest I-shift is a dual clutch design allowing constant torque output. There are also five alternative software programs available, tailored to the type of operation in which the vehicle will be engaged.
cav551:
Add Volvo electronics to a Fuller gearbox in exchange…? The only similarity between the I-shift and the Fuller is that they are both multi-speed transmissions for heavy vehicles.
The I-shift is not an automated synchromesh gearbox, it doesn’t have synchonisers, nor is it like the Fuller a twin countershaft (layshaft) design. The I-shift electronic control gear matches engine speed to gearwheel speed. The very latest I-shift is a dual clutch design allowing constant torque output. There are also five alternative software programs available, tailored to the type of operation in which the vehicle will be engaged.
Thanks for busting that myth cav.
Although having said that Fuller did/do ? have the option of single countershaft or twin transmissions and where were Volvo going to find the non synchro gear train needed either within its own parts bin or anywhere else in Euroland other than going to Fuller to get it ?.
Bewick:
Now come on and own up Lads does anyone read the Garbage that “CF” spews out ? Is there no subject this [zb] can’t spout bollox about ? Bewick.
Dennis I’m afraid to say I do, sometimes twice n occasionally thrice. There has been several that haven’t gone over me head and one, brace yourself, that I totally agreed with, nobody can be wrong all the time, unless you’re married of course
The I-shift and the Fuller Roadranger twin countershaft gearbox are two completely different beasts. There is simply no cross over at all. The Volvo gears are helical, the Fuller’s spur; the Volvo mainshaft gears run on bushes, the Fuller’s ‘float’ between the two layshafts. Trying to take parts from one company’s design or model bin to use in the other’s, is like trying to fit a vee six cylinder crankshaft into an inline six engine or vice versa; it ain’t happening.
Eaton corporation does certainly make single layshaft gearboxes, but these are aimed at the medium duty market (although that does depend on interpretation) and IIRC these are synchromesh boxes.
Bewick:
Now come on and own up Lads does anyone read the Garbage that “CF” spews out ? Is there no subject this [zb] can’t spout bollox about ? Bewick.
Dennis I’m afraid to say I do, sometimes twice n occasionally thrice. There has been several that haven’t gone over me head and one, brace yourself, that I totally agreed with, nobody can be wrong all the time, unless you’re married of course
You are quite right there “coomsey” about 'er in doors always being right and we are always wrong eh! we must be in the same Club ! But “CF” is a lost cause as he won’t accept any sensible reasoned argument/explanation even from Lads that have been there ,done it, and got the T shirt. As I have said previously “CF” is the only ■■■■■■■ man in The Regiment that is marching in time ! Cheers Dennis.
Bewick:
But “CF” is a lost cause as he won’t accept any sensible reasoned argument/explanation even from Lads that have been there ,done it, and got the T shirt. As I have said previously “CF” is the only [zb] man in The Regiment that is marching in time ! Cheers Dennis.
You probably won’t like this latest theory then.
I’ve been pondering the Paul Gee photos topic and come to the conclusion that the import invasion and with it the move from obsolete old NA guvnors wagons to more advanced turbocharged imports has actually been understated by the ‘accepted wisdom’ of the Gardner fan club among others.While I’ve possibly over estimated the luddite backward buying policies of a large proportion of the UK domestic haulage market by at least the mid 1970’s and possibly even before.Which then just confirms that the domestic manufacturers played a bigger part in their own downfall than I’d first thought by not meeting that challenge head on in good time by removing all the NA engine types from the options list including obviously putting Gardner out of its misery by that time at the latest.The result as I said should have then been turbo Rolls/■■■■■■■ take it or leave it,let alone putting the boat anchor of the 8 LXB in the Big J.Let alone later NA Gardners in the SA 401.
While as we know in this case even supposedly fanatical Gardner loyalty in reality often mean’t going for the even worse option of NA ■■■■■■■ in the Atki as opposed to 8 LXB in the Big J and then ordering Gardner boat anchors in the 401 instead of ■■■■■■■ E 290/320 before predictably ditching the things and effectively admitting that they actually preferred turbocharged Scanias etc after all.Just like many of their domestic counterparts had done since the early 1970’s.
cav551:
Add Volvo electronics to a Fuller gearbox in exchange…? The only similarity between the I-shift and the Fuller is that they are both multi-speed transmissions for heavy vehicles.
The I-shift is not an automated synchromesh gearbox, it doesn’t have synchonisers, nor is it like the Fuller a twin countershaft (layshaft) design. The I-shift electronic control gear matches engine speed to gearwheel speed. The very latest I-shift is a dual clutch design allowing constant torque output. There are also five alternative software programs available, tailored to the type of operation in which the vehicle will be engaged.
Beat me to it, my understanding is that this is based on Volvo’s SR gearboxes.
The advantage is that the electronic control never misses a gear whoever is behind the wheel and by removing all of the syncro hubs the gearbox is also lighter.
Here you are Dennis, a Gardner 8LXB. A friend of a friend of mine once met a chap in a pub who knew a mechanic who swore that this particular engine was fitted into a SoM Guy Big J.
newmercman:
Carryfast, there’s only one box to stick behind a CAT, Mr Fuller’s 18spd of course.
What would you think of the idea of Scania selling its V8 engines there as a loose option with an 18 speed Fuller bolted to it ?.
I would have a Scania V8 under the hood if such a thing was available. Of course it would have to pull flatbed, that way everyone could see you were fully loaded as you left them standing on the hilly bits.
Scania do sell engines here, but only marine spec, which would be a lot of fun until you needed parts, there’s a good few thousand miles between the coasts, so there’s not much in the way of parts and service in the middle.
Bewick:
Now come on and own up Lads does anyone read the Garbage that “CF” spews out ? Is there no subject this [zb] can’t spout bollox about ? Bewick.
Dennis I’m afraid to say I do, sometimes twice n occasionally thrice. There has been several that haven’t gone over me head and one, brace yourself, that I totally agreed with, nobody can be wrong all the time, unless you’re married of course
Here you are Dennis, a Gardner 8LXB. A friend of a friend of mine once met a chap in a pub who knew a mechanic who swore that this particular engine was fitted into a SoM Guy Big J. 0
Now thats what I call a proper Engine, Engineering at its best IMO ,Regards Larry.
Here you are Dennis, a Gardner 8LXB. A friend of a friend of mine once met a chap in a pub who knew a mechanic who swore that this particular engine was fitted into a SoM Guy Big J. 0
A couple of fine shots of the legendary 8LXB which I was privileged to operate quite a number, 100% reliable and economical, but sadly all good things come to an end but they were head and shoulders above the opposition in their heyday ! Cheers Bewick.
Here you are Dennis, a Gardner 8LXB. A friend of a friend of mine once met a chap in a pub who knew a mechanic who swore that this particular engine was fitted into a SoM Guy Big J. 0
A couple of fine shots of the legendary 8LXB which I was privileged to operate quite a number, 100% reliable and economical, but sadly all good things come to an end but they were head and shoulders above the opposition in their heyday ! Cheers Bewick.
Well said Dennis, Im a Gardner Man through & through, I never had the pleasure of having the 8 LXB, But the 150s I had were tops in every respect, Now if C/F WANTS TO COMMENT ON THIS .He is most welcome, But I hope he keeps stum , The ■■■■ is driving me to the drink , Regards Larry.
cav551:
Add Volvo electronics to a Fuller gearbox in exchange…? The only similarity between the I-shift and the Fuller is that they are both multi-speed transmissions for heavy vehicles.
The I-shift is not an automated synchromesh gearbox, it doesn’t have synchonisers, nor is it like the Fuller a twin countershaft (layshaft) design. The I-shift electronic control gear matches engine speed to gearwheel speed. The very latest I-shift is a dual clutch design allowing constant torque output. There are also five alternative software programs available, tailored to the type of operation in which the vehicle will be engaged.
Beat me to it, my understanding is that this is based on Volvo’s SR gearboxes.
The advantage is that the electronic control never misses a gear whoever is behind the wheel and by removing all of the syncro hubs the gearbox is also lighter.
Shoot me now!
I remember left leg, right foot, and ears to change gear.
Sadly, noisy lorries, including a Leyland 375, a couple of Mastiffs and Scania I drove in Saudi for many months without a silencer ( I did eventually lug one through customs - many strange looks) mean that the ears nowadays mainly register truck noises from 40 odd years ago, causing anguish in the bride, who expects me to hear what she says from two rooms away with the doors closed and the kitchen fan on!
The [zb] is driving me to the drink , Regards Larry.
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Dave have you seen the price of Malts latley, Im having to look around for the cheapies, He could of course remberse me for the extra cost so that I can keep posting on this exciting thread, I suppose his comments are in his best interests But a lot of it is ■■■■ about Gardner Engines, Who in their right mind would refer to them as boat anchors beats me, Anyway no hard feelings C/F,You have your right to express what you think about Gardners But they dont fit in with me, , Regards Larry.
But “CF” is a lost cause as he won’t accept any sensible reasoned argument/explanation even from Lads that have been there ,done it, and got the T shirt. As I have said previously “CF” is the only ■■■■■■■ man in The Regiment that is marching in time ! 
Cheers Dennis.
